ALL AGES HARDCORE

forsaken - 3-20-2005 at 03:54 AM

Well, today I went to an all-ages hardcore show. It was a cool show, plenty of good mosh bands, but one thing that annoyed me was big overage dudes laying big fucking crowdslays and punches on little 15 year old girls and boys.

Is it just me, or should there be some sort of courtesy when moshing around little girls and real young kids? For them, this is an introduction to hardcore ... and I know if I was getting this kinda shit beat out of me when I was 14 or 15 then I probably wouldnt have come back to shows. I'm lucky beating the shit out of people in the crowd wasn't all the rage in Melbourne when I was young. I'm all for moshing, but I dont think moshing should involve infliction maximum pain on kids who just want to watch the band.

I personally dont care about getting hit myself, I've been to shattered realm shows in New Jersey ... I know what a hard mosh is. Hahaha.

Maybe I'm just getting old, I dunno.

godabandonedme - 3-20-2005 at 04:26 AM

I think the word "mosh" should never be used in the same sentence with "hardcore". I'm durnk an this doesn't have a point I just hate the word. Dancing at shows is a for real thing, not just running around kicking and hitting people, it's like a suedo-art form almost. The word mosh always bugged me because that's what people who don't know what hardcore is all about and see pearl jam and nirvana videos associate any type of alternative music do. Moshing is for jocks who like to act tough running into each other at green day shows, dancing is for people into the scene and into hxc that have purpose. Thats what I love about hardcore music, it's not some bullshit lyrics that relate to everyone, it's the few scumbags retards and outcasts that can personally associate with these bands. Drunk ramble, I'm sorry.

SAAAAARS - 3-20-2005 at 01:02 PM

i was a 14 year old girl and got many bloody noses at my first hardcore shows. gotta take the good with the bad. theres always gonna be dudes hitting new kids. usually once you get hit, you realize where you should and should not stand. if the kids don't move after, i blame them.

ENDERA.x - 3-20-2005 at 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by godabandonedme
I think the word "mosh" should never be used in the same sentence with "hardcore". I'm durnk an this doesn't have a point I just hate the word. Dancing at shows is a for real thing, not just running around kicking and hitting people, it's like a suedo-art form almost. The word mosh always bugged me because that's what people who don't know what hardcore is all about and see pearl jam and nirvana videos associate any type of alternative music do. Moshing is for jocks who like to act tough running into each other at green day shows, dancing is for people into the scene and into hxc that have purpose. Thats what I love about hardcore music, it's not some bullshit lyrics that relate to everyone, it's the few scumbags retards and outcasts that can personally associate with these bands. Drunk ramble, I'm sorry.

well its a good drunk rant.

"i was a 14 year old girl and got many bloody noses at my first hardcore shows. gotta take the good with the bad. theres always gonna be dudes hitting new kids. usually once you get hit, you realize where you should and should not stand. if the kids don't move after, i blame them.
"

well, not everyone (14 year olds) would see it reasonably,
when i was 15 and i got hit im like, omg what a dick, and now im the one that hits people, usually not intentionally though. and in some cases I say sorry, others i dont.
their fault, get outta my way.
haha.

Killthehumans - 3-20-2005 at 06:25 PM

The thing is with so many kids today listening to shitty screamo bands and bands like the warriors and evergreen terrace its rare to see young teens at real hardcore shows. In my opinion we need these kids to keep TRUE hardcore going and scaring them away is not a good idea.

ENDERA.x - 3-21-2005 at 01:29 AM

haha.

Six66Mike - 3-21-2005 at 11:51 PM

The fat dudes running side to side throwing haymakers into the crowd trying to punch people at Crafter Fest was gay. In 2003 Australia was sweet mosh in Brisbane, but now I come to Adelaide and Boston Beatdown has come out so now everyone moshes like a fucking retard trying to hurt people all the time.

godabandonedme - 3-22-2005 at 01:32 AM

Again, I've been drinking and it's just the word "mosh" that bothers me. I love dancing. Granted, I was never a huge dancer at show, but when "my" song would come on it was time to get down. Let the slipknot fans mosh, I'm gona dance, with a little style and alot of purpose.

attn: godabandonedme

BDx13 - 3-22-2005 at 01:52 AM

1) welcome to the Thorp Records Drunk Posting Crew'. we only have a few members, gabetexas, myself, moron, a few others (who else?), but we're a dedicated bunch.

2) i agree completely with your point about the terminology. in my 15+ years in the scene, i have never used the word 'mosh' to describe what i do (did) at shows; it was always 'dance'. i know people like to differentiate themselves from show-goers of other genres, but seeing as how people 'mosh' at fucking avril lavigne concerts and shit, what's the point?

forsaken - 3-22-2005 at 03:16 AM

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Originally posted by Six66Mike
The fat dudes running side to side throwing haymakers into the crowd trying to punch people at Crafter Fest was gay. In 2003 Australia was sweet mosh in Brisbane, but now I come to Adelaide and Boston Beatdown has come out so now everyone moshes like a fucking retard trying to hurt people all the time.

Yeah man, those fuckbrains better not try bringing that shit to all-ages shows in Melbourne. Come over here sometime, our scene bascially shits on the rest of Australia. I'm not saying we are all YOT posi dweebs but we take care of each other and theres less macho bullshit than adelaide.

Bummer I couldnt meet up with you at crafterfest but thinking back, I think I know which dude you were .... wearing a white Skarhead jersey right? It was either you or one of the other 2 people in adelaide who appreciate good thugcore. haha.

TTF - 3-22-2005 at 03:42 AM

Many a great lesson can be learned by a good punch in the face. The interesting thing though is how those fists used to come from people that hated punk rock/ hardcore kids because it was nothing they'd ever seen before. I'm talking early 80's to early 90's and being a little kid getting beaten up by gangs of grown men. Hit with a baseball bat? Yup. Hit with a shovel? Yup. Almost run down by a car in a parking lot? Yup. Never fought a one on one fight until I was out of my teens? Yup. Being a sick, hateful, tense adult because of all that shit? Yup. It doesn't matter though, they were good lessons. The world is a fucking evil disgusting place and anything that walks on 2 legs is nothing more than garbage to me. Ah, what the fuck am I rambling about. No money for psych meds, no sleep, agitated, and hungry...

Six66Mike - 3-23-2005 at 12:18 AM

Haha yeah on Sunday I had on my Skarhead jersey, too fucking hot for anything else. I was hangin with Shaun From the Ruins all weekend mostly.

forsaken - 3-23-2005 at 06:28 AM

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Originally posted by Six66Mike
Haha yeah on Sunday I had on my Skarhead jersey, too fucking hot for anything else. I was hangin with Shaun From the Ruins all weekend mostly.

Oh man I hate that dude. .....

(no offense - haha)

godabandonedme - 3-25-2005 at 02:37 AM

Well, of course I've been drinking again and have limited access to the internet so....Anyway, I duno how all this started but yea back to dancing, agian I was never a big dancer, I like watching, I've been going to shows for about 9 years now. I remember in high school people would ask what kind of music I was into and my response was (and still is today) nothing you'd be into. The next question was always "so your into that moshing stuff" and even back then I would reply no I'm into dancing with my music. Moshing is the retards at any alternative show with their arms up, fists near shoulders and just pushing off of eachother. Dancing is the two step, the throw down, the STYLE thats been (and I had to sound like an idiot) refined through years of good breakdowns. Although I rarley if ever watch MTV, I remember watching a show on dancing/moshing whatever they called it and one of the guys from the Cro-mags said basically when the pearl jam video came out with people jumping off of stages then you (everyone into the real scene) knew that the line between hardcore dancing and rich frat boys who hadn't been hugged enough become permantlly erased. I propose that before everyone "rock" countdown on music stations comes on, that sick of it alls video on dancing be played, then a hxc video, then the gay top 10 just so people know.

defstarsteve - 3-25-2005 at 05:07 AM

it was always called dancing for my too many years,
mosh was grunge shit and what the news called it
I don't care what s.o.d said.....

me I'm passed my dancing prime, old skater knees and ankles
give me sing alongs up front though
I'll take my lumps for the mic

as for the new kids.....
give them room
protect them if they need it,
pick up anyone who falls
these were the rules
follow them and we all go home happy, break them and we break you

it all went to shit when idiots from ozzfest went to see hatebreed in clubs
and saw those guys puhing each other and decided hey it's like football only no pads and no ball lets go.

no one is here to get hurt just have fun....
sometimes I hate "hardcore"

MyOwnWay - 3-26-2005 at 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by defstarsteve
as for the new kids.....
give them room
protect them if they need it,
pick up anyone who falls
these were the rules
no one is here to get hurt just have fun....

That sums up my opinion on dancing overall. And yes, it is a dance, not a "moshing".

By the way Duane, I would like to consider myself an honorary member of the "Drunk Post" club. This being for the shoveling snow drunk on wine post. HA!

TTF - 3-26-2005 at 02:29 PM

I am herebye putting up my name as the first "I'm bipolar and manic as fuck" posting team, which is also closely aligned with the Starkweather Shut In/Computer Hatred street team. Current members: Big Duane and MrBadVibes. I'm accepting applications.