HOw long will it be before the idiotic media and public will realise that OBAMA is not BLACK.

clevohardcore - 3-9-2008 at 02:50 PM

The dude is mixed. He is neither black nor just white. He is mixed.

SO why are people that are black simply voting for him because they believe him to be just black.

Also does that make someone "black". What constitutes a "black person".

CHICAGO - Barack Obama would not be leading the Democratic presidential race without the enthusiasm and high turnout of black voters.

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They spearheaded his comeback win in South Carolina, where Obama trounced Hillary Rodham Clinton and John Edwards with the backing of four out of every five black voters. They provided his margin of victory in many other states, and will play a key role in Tuesday's primary in Mississippi, where Clinton is the underdog.

But Obama's campaign saw the limits of black support in last week's losses in Ohio and Texas, which kept Clinton's campaign alive. And the role black voters will play in the next big contest, Pennsylvania's April 22 primary, is unclear.

Moreover, some analysts think it's possible Obama's heavy black support is nudging some working-class white Democrats into Clinton's camp. If true, it could be an important factor in a contest that remains remarkably tight after a year of campaigning.

Obama, the son of a white mother from Kansas and a black father from Kenya, won slightly more white votes than Clinton in Wisconsin, Virginia and a few other states last month, helping him to a string of wins and the overall lead in delegates to the party's national convention.

But Clinton won nearly two out of every three white votes in Ohio, and 56 percent of those in Texas, where she also ran well among Latinos. Strategists are pondering the results, wondering if Pennsylvania's demographic similarities to Ohio will deliver another important win to Clinton in six weeks.

Ronald Walters, a University of Maryland political scientist who tracks racial trends and is writing a book on Obama, thinks Obama's strong support from blacks made it easier for some whites in Ohio and Texas to vote for Clinton.

"There's some of that," Walters said in an interview. He pointed to exit polls from Ohio, where 62 percent of all whites lack college degrees and many are anxious about their jobs in a weak economy.

"This is a racially sensitive group," he said, referring specifically to whites who earn less than $50,000 a year and did not attend college.

"They are the quintessential Reagan Democrats," he said. "They feel they've been left" and their resentment can have social and racial overtones.

Ohio exit polls support Walters' view. Eighteen percent of white Ohio voters said race was an important factor in their decision, and of that group, three in four voted for Clinton.

In general elections, which pit Democrats against Republicans, the racial sensitivity of white voters has been pronounced and well-documented for decades. It's a chief cause of the realignment of the South, where blacks remained intensely loyal to the Democratic Party as whites moved to the GOP by the millions.

In the intraparty world of Democratic primaries, however, racial divisions are much less prevalent, and hard to measure. Many white Democrats, especially in the South, tend to be liberal, racially tolerant and usually happy to join blacks in opposing Republicans.

The Obama-Clinton rivalry may be straining that comity. Some blacks resented remarks Clinton made in New Hampshire, which they viewed as minimizing Martin Luther King Jr.'s role in achieving landmark civil rights laws. And after Obama's South Carolina victory on Jan. 26, former President Clinton seemed to equate the Illinois senator with Jesse Jackson as a candidate who could not draw widespread white support.

Many blacks felt the Clintons "were trying to use race to their political advantage, to cede the black vote to Obama and take the rest," said David Bositis, senior political analyst for the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies, which tracks issues important to black Americans.

The Clintons said they intended no slights, and many blacks still hold great affection for the former president and his eight-year term. But Hillary Clinton's sharp-elbowed campaign is alienating others, Bositis said, and it could hurt the New York senator in November if she becomes the nominee.

Bositis said it was unclear whether Obama's black support is driving some working-class whites into Clinton's corner, but he noted the steep drop in Obama's share of the white vote in Ohio compared to Wisconsin. One possible factor other than race, Bositis said, was Clinton's strong support within the Ohio Democratic establishment, starting with the governor.

One thing is not in doubt: Obama's candidacy and the closeness of the contest are triggering record turnout among black voters. "In many states, the black vote has doubled," Bositis said.

Similar turnout in Philadelphia's black neighborhoods could help Obama next month. But he would have to make deeper inroads into Pennsylvania's white electorate than he did in Ohio if he is to avoid another solid defeat.

Meanwhile, Clinton continues to draw about 10 percent to 20 percent of black voters, who sometimes have to defend their choice.

"She has the most experience," said Elexis Griffin, a black worker at a law office who attended a Clinton fundraiser in Canton, Ohio. "Obama has only been in the Senate three years. I'm not anti-Barack. I'm just pro-Hillary."

Griffin, who is 25 and considering law school, said, "I sit here almost every single day and hear debating: Hillary or Obama? My closest friends, I have very much influenced their vote for Hillary. They accuse me of being against the social movement. And I accuse them of voting with their emotions and not looking at the facts."

Six66Mike - 3-9-2008 at 03:30 PM

Ice T and black either but they sure love him lol

tireironsaint - 3-9-2008 at 05:26 PM

I know that under slavery laws they were considered black if it could be proven that a person had a drop of black blood in them. It seems kinda fucked up to me to dispute shit like this, but then again I got an email forwarded from some of my family saying that since Obama was raised Muslim that he's gonna help Al Qaeda take over the US. There's all kinds of shit people are buying into over this. Personally, I think that whatever the potential elected official's religion or race is should have no real bearing on the election of them. Why does it matter what his lineage is anyway? The overwhelming majority of us are mutts to some degree or another but we're more than happy to bring up a certain segment of our lineage when it suits us, is that somehow not acceptable for someone to do if they happen to be of mixed race as well as or instead of less obvious mixtures?

JawnDiablo - 3-9-2008 at 07:34 PM

I've seen the same emails circulating about the Al Queda thing. Whatever, it's not like the "Christains" that've been running the show for so long have been doing anything worth bragging about.

tireironsaint - 3-9-2008 at 07:57 PM

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Originally posted by juandiablo
I've seen the same emails circulating about the Al Queda thing. Whatever, it's not like the "Christains" that've been running the show for so long have been doing anything worth bragging about.

Precisely my thoughts. I nearly responded to my family memebers about that too although it seemed funnier that the same email claiming he was some radical Muslim brought up all kinds of stuff about the christian church he's a member of in order to point out how they're pro-Africa as if that would make him a bad candidate for some reason. That being in the same email reminded me that pointing out inconsistencies and flawed logic isn't going to get me anywhere with them.

DaveMoral - 3-9-2008 at 08:15 PM

Plus the dude wasn't even raised Muslim. Of course, "Muslim" is the same these days as "communist" was in the McCarthy era.

Discipline - 3-10-2008 at 06:24 AM

I got a kick out of this prank email going around.

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Klu Klux Klan Endorses Obama

HISTORICAL EVENT STUNS MILLIONS

February 7th, 2008
by James R. Crowe

DAWSON SPRINGS, KENTUCKY - USA - Imperial Wizard, Ronald Edwards has stated that, "anything is better than Hillary Clinton."
White Christian Supremacist group the Klu Klux Klan has endorsed Barack Obama to be the next President of the United States of America.
Speaking from his Kentucky office in Dawson Springs, the Imperial Wizard exclaimed that anything or anyone is better than having that "crazy ass bitch" as President.
This is the first time in Klan history that any member of the KKK has ever publicly supported an African American candidate for the presidency.
KKK lodges all over America have been gathering and holding rallies supporting the black presidential candidate.

KKK members in Tennessee rally against Hillary Clinton and support Barack Obama.
Grand Turk Cletus Monroe has also been very vocal about the election and has donated thousands of dollars to Obama's election fund.
"The boy's gonna do it. My Klan group has donated up to $250,000 to the Obama fund. Anything is better than Hillary Clinton. Hell I'll even adopt a black kid from Africa before I vote for Hillary."
"A few years back we were lynching negroes. Now we're gonna vote for one to be president of the US of motherfu**ing A, damn it! Anyone or anything is better than Hillary Clinton - anything!!"
Placards for Barack Obama have been put up around the Klan's Headquarters and the KKK have announced a television ad campaign to support the African American candidate.

Visit our website from our compound located in Dawson Springs, Kentucky

http://www. kkkk. net/page1. htm

JawnDiablo - 3-10-2008 at 06:26 AM

Grand Turk Cletus Monroe !
that name alone is priceless!

BDx13 - 3-10-2008 at 07:04 AM

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Originally posted by DaveMoral
Plus the dude wasn't even raised Muslim.

that was my understanding as well.

clevohardcore - 3-10-2008 at 10:35 AM

The point of this post was that black people throughout the US are voting simply because they believe him to be black, but what constitutes "black" A drop of black blood? Ok fine, but isn't a insult to his mother who is white? I would be offended if he just claimed one race when he is really several. Its like his mother doesn't matter. So he is really a drop of black blood AND a drop of white blood.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

You are both. Not one over the other when it is convenient.

Take for instance Tiger Woods. He doesn't subscribe to either side of both his race. He just does his thing and doesn't let ignorance get involved.

BDx13 - 3-10-2008 at 11:02 AM

i'm a little out of my league here because i don't follow his campaign THAT closely, but from what i've read, he doesn't push the race issue that much, in part because his parents were an interracial couple.

his wife, on the other hand, is know for speaking much more directly to the black community and referencing the challenges african americans have faced and how important this race is for that demographic.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/96446

clevohardcore - 3-10-2008 at 11:24 AM

Obama does use this card and uses it very well. He quotes and comapres himself to MLK and even urges people in "urban" communites to organise and vote for him. In fact he targets them exclusively. Ya its strategy but it rascism.

I am not calling him out because will end up voting for him, but I think its wrong. It's a shady tactic and it is anonying the piss out of me to here people at school, on the news, and in public admitting they are voting for him simpy becasue of his supposed race AND HE"S NOT EVEN BLACK!!!!!!!!!! or as we put it black ADN white. He is now a Micheal Jackson song isn't he? In fact that should be his new campaign song.

He is using this race card more than anyone. Oprah Winfrey, Jesse Jackson etc.

tireironsaint - 3-10-2008 at 11:53 AM

I'm trying very hard to stay away from all the election bullshit, so I'm not sure why I keep getting drawn into this conversation, but here I am again.
The point I was trying to make earlier is that in the past, people of mixed race have been categorized as black in order to make them out as "less than white" so it's kind of funny to me that people are up in arms now when someone claiming something that they have a legitimate claim on works to their advantage.

JawnDiablo - 3-10-2008 at 12:14 PM

on a different note, I for one can't stand the sound of Hillary's voice.

tireironsaint - 3-10-2008 at 12:25 PM

In the midst of all the Obama bashing emails, I got one that was all about Hillary. It was funny because all they could think of to criticize her for was for being rude. Don't get me wrong, I can't stand her either, I just think it's funny when other people have mysterious ties to terrorist organizations being created to slander them and the only thing they could come up with is that Hillary's a bitch.

tireironsaint - 3-10-2008 at 12:29 PM

In the midst of all the Obama bashing emails, I got one that was all about Hillary. It was funny because all they could think of to criticize her for was for being rude. Don't get me wrong, I can't stand her either, I just think it's funny when other people have mysterious ties to terrorist organizations being created to slander them and the only thing they could come up with is that Hillary's a bitch.

tireironsaint - 3-10-2008 at 12:31 PM

In the midst of all the Obama bashing emails, I got one that was all about Hillary. It was funny because all they could think of to criticize her for was for being rude. Don't get me wrong, I can't stand her either, I just think it's funny when other people have mysterious ties to terrorist organizations being created to slander them and the only thing they could come up with is that Hillary's a bitch.

tireironsaint - 3-10-2008 at 12:34 PM

Sorry, my browser freaked out.

defstarsteve - 3-10-2008 at 12:54 PM

see what happpens
talk shit about policitcs on this board all of sudden browsers start freaking out...

it' not safe and we as a board should just leave it alone

Siczine.com - 3-10-2008 at 06:47 PM

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Originally posted by defstarsteve
see what happpens
talk shit about policitcs on this board all of sudden browsers start freaking out...

it' not safe and we as a board should just leave it alone

Like they say, it's never wise to discuss politics and religion at a party.

JawnDiablo - 3-14-2008 at 06:41 AM

clevohardcore - 3-14-2008 at 12:46 PM

Obama's church leader is outed for the same thing Obama was screaming about 6 months ago against Romney. Romney's church shunned blacks 140 years agoa dn Romney had to answer to it. Now Obama doesn't want to answer to what his church leader has been saying for over a year about "white America".

BDx13 - 3-14-2008 at 03:01 PM

it struck me the other night that obama looks a little like on of the jungle brothers

DaveMoral - 3-15-2008 at 09:26 AM

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Originally posted by clevohardcore
Obama's church leader is outed for the same thing Obama was screaming about 6 months ago against Romney. Romney's church shunned blacks 140 years agoa dn Romney had to answer to it. Now Obama doesn't want to answer to what his church leader has been saying for over a year about "white America".

You know, I can't stand the idea that people think a black church leader should be taken to task for speaking about the crimes white America has committed against black Americans for 500 years. It's bullshit. The repercussions of 100 years of slavery under the Constitution, and 300 years before that, and 100 years after Abolition are still being felt today. From what I understand the church that Obama belongs to, and the pastor at the specific church he attends in Chicago, is biracial and they've never been exclusionist towards white people. Quite the opposite with the Mormon church.

JawnDiablo - 3-15-2008 at 11:13 AM

i worked with this mormon guy.
he looked just fuckin like dilbert.
he had like 14 kids out in utah.
i used to shit ptheir xmas presents.
i wanted to hit him with a frozen wrench at least twice a day

clevohardcore - 3-16-2008 at 12:14 PM

guilty of being white?

JawnDiablo - 3-16-2008 at 12:28 PM

KILL ALL THESE WHITE PEOPLE!..possibly the only good type o negative song after the first cd

Discipline - 3-16-2008 at 02:31 PM

Every Type O Negative cd is good. Kill All the White People was a great song though.

"Oomgowa (sp???) black power destroy white boy!"