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A question about nationality

Discipline - 4-2-2008 at 10:26 PM

So I was having a conversation with my little brother today and he informed me that when he's old enough he wants to get a tattoo symbolizing Canada. He's only 15, and has lived in the U.S. since he was only a few months old. I don't really think of him as being Canadian because he's spent his whole life in America. He says it's because he loves Canada and was born here. He goes out of his way to tell people he was born here and now it seems he wants a tattoo to cement that idea. His love for Canada doesn't come from any political or social ideology, I think part of it is because he looks up to me a great deal and I'm a big patrot.

So here's my question; in your opinion, is he Canadian or American? I think of somebody who moved to Canada as an infant and grew up here as being Canadian, which is why I think of him as American.

On a side note, I don't know if he'll really do it or not. I hope not as he really doesn't strike me as a tattoo kind of a guy.

upyerbum - 4-2-2008 at 11:23 PM

He's an expatriate. They're generally ultra-patriotic, regardless of nationality.

clevohardcore - 4-2-2008 at 11:24 PM

I think part of it is because he looks up to me a great deal and I'm a big patrot.





^^^^^^^^^^ YOu said it. He probably looks up to you. If you voice your opinion he may very well listen as well. O and yes he is Canadian. He was born their so that would make him a citizen. However he is American in culture.

clevohardcore - 4-2-2008 at 11:26 PM

That being said in my opinion Canada and America really are not that drastically different. YES I KNOW they are, but really when you look at it. Compared to many other countries we share many of the same ideals and coexist pretty good compared to other neighboring countries.

upyerbum - 4-2-2008 at 11:35 PM

At some point you will attempt to invade us though. Don't worry I don't take it personally, we've just got all the shit. (and all my shit's buried.......)

BDx13 - 4-2-2008 at 11:50 PM

I think of one's nationality as where they were born, so I'd consider your brother Canadian (and I'm sure he'll be excited to hear it!). What if we call him Canadian American?

My grandfather was born in Germany, and moved here when he was seven, but I always considered him German. Plus, he had the eccentricies, bowleggedness and faded recollection of the native language to prove it. In fact, my family still belongs to the local German club.

defstarsteve - 4-3-2008 at 12:35 AM

we will invade canada before iran

we get more oil and gas imports from canada then anywhere else...
you guys are a lot closer and it wouldn't be nearly as tough... not that you guys are wimps, but damn those iranians are crazy

and if not can someome let those fuckers who run your country know I want to move there and will bring my money and business with me...

they won't let you in unless you have a job...
but I do have a job
you bastards

he's a canadian and I wish I was too...

Siczine.com - 4-3-2008 at 01:19 AM

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Originally posted by Discipline
So I was having a conversation with my little brother today and he informed me that when he's old enough he wants to get a tattoo symbolizing Canada. He's only 15, and has lived in the U.S. since he was only a few months old. I don't really think of him as being Canadian because he's spent his whole life in America. He says it's because he loves Canada and was born here. He goes out of his way to tell people he was born here and now it seems he wants a tattoo to cement that idea. His love for Canada doesn't come from any political or social ideology, I think part of it is because he looks up to me a great deal and I'm a big patrot.

So here's my question; in your opinion, is he Canadian or American? I think of somebody who moved to Canada as an infant and grew up here as being Canadian, which is why I think of him as American.

On a side note, I don't know if he'll really do it or not. I hope not as he really doesn't strike me as a tattoo kind of a guy.


I look at it like this...if one of my childhood friends moved out of Philly to another city/suburb when they were in even lets say 4th grade...I would not consider them a Philadelphian. Yeah, you were born here but you didn't become who you are today because you lived in Philly.

JawnDiablo - 4-3-2008 at 06:45 AM

I grew up and live in Upper DArby PA, yet people would say I am from Philadelphia.
I was born in America, and have Irish , German, English, Scotish, and PA Dutch blood. My last name is Quinn so people assume I am Irish. Me and my family really don't celebrate any of the cultures of our family's heritage. I dunno, I'm an ugly American with a bad attitude. I was in CAnada for a little while 10 years ago. It was clean and everyone I met was super nice and they all smoked weed. I liked it alot. Some of my friends wanted to stay, but like Defstar said, they are selective as to who they let in, and my friends had criminal records so it was no.

JawnDiablo - 4-3-2008 at 06:46 AM

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Originally posted by Discipline
So I was having a conversation with my little brother today and he informed me that when he's old enough he wants to get a tattoo symbolizing Canada. He's only 15, and has lived in the U.S. since he was only a few months old. I don't really think of him as being Canadian because he's spent his whole life in America. He says it's because he loves Canada and was born here. He goes out of his way to tell people he was born here and now it seems he wants a tattoo to cement that idea. His love for Canada doesn't come from any political or social ideology, I think part of it is because he looks up to me a great deal and I'm a big patrot.

So here's my question; in your opinion, is he Canadian or American? I think of somebody who moved to Canada as an infant and grew up here as being Canadian, which is why I think of him as American.

On a side note, I don't know if he'll really do it or not. I hope not as he really doesn't strike me as a tattoo kind of a guy.


I look at it like this...if one of my childhood friends moved out of Philly to another city/suburb when they were in even lets say 4th grade...I would not consider them a Philadelphian. Yeah, you were born here but you didn't become who you are today because you lived in Philly.


Yet I've heard my dad say numerous times of our family who were from South Philly "you can take them out of South Philly, nut you can't take the South Philly out of them".

XHonusWagnerX - 4-3-2008 at 08:12 AM

What about if a pregnent woman is on vacation in Italy and her baby is born. Is that baby Italian?

Discipline - 4-3-2008 at 10:01 AM

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Originally posted by clevohardcore
O and yes he is Canadian. He was born their so that would make him a citizen. However he is American in culture.


That's the way I see it. He constantly says he wants to live up here but can't right now because he's too young to move on his own. But he doesn't know what it's like here, as he's never been here for more than a week or two at a time. I think he believes it to be a whole different world or something. It's not that different from the U.S. Only real difference is that instead of seeing all the Mexicans he sees every day in Florida, he'll be seeing them replaced with Arabs up here. Plus he'd hate the cold winters.


As for you Yanks that want to invade, remember the war of 1812. We'll torch the White House again.

CR83 - 4-3-2008 at 10:15 AM

He's totally Canadian.

Answer to xHonusx is "Yes, that baby is Italian"

bombidol - 4-3-2008 at 10:35 AM

That baby is set for fucking life. US and Italian passport. Which means they get to choose between being american or european. No hassle travelling anywhere in the european union and a sweet ass exchange rate from Euro to USD. I wish I was born in the states but still had my Irish parents. Set the fuck up.

Siczine.com - 4-3-2008 at 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by Discipline
So I was having a conversation with my little brother today and he informed me that when he's old enough he wants to get a tattoo symbolizing Canada. He's only 15, and has lived in the U.S. since he was only a few months old. I don't really think of him as being Canadian because he's spent his whole life in America. He says it's because he loves Canada and was born here. He goes out of his way to tell people he was born here and now it seems he wants a tattoo to cement that idea. His love for Canada doesn't come from any political or social ideology, I think part of it is because he looks up to me a great deal and I'm a big patrot.

So here's my question; in your opinion, is he Canadian or American? I think of somebody who moved to Canada as an infant and grew up here as being Canadian, which is why I think of him as American.

On a side note, I don't know if he'll really do it or not. I hope not as he really doesn't strike me as a tattoo kind of a guy.


I look at it like this...if one of my childhood friends moved out of Philly to another city/suburb when they were in even lets say 4th grade...I would not consider them a Philadelphian. Yeah, you were born here but you didn't become who you are today because you lived in Philly.


Yet I've heard my dad say numerous times of our family who were from South Philly "you can take them out of South Philly, nut you can't take the South Philly out of them".


That just isn't the case for the people I know. 95% of the kids that I knew that moved out have turned into some retarded ass suburbanites. The last time I hung out with this one kid I knew he almost got us killed when we were picking up weed down the way and a Puerto Rican kid was chasing another PR with a knife and the fucker yelled at the window "GET HIM!!!"...I wanted to fucking kill him and needless to say havent talked to him since. And other similar things have happened with others that I know. Not only do they loose their accent but they lose their street smarts.

JUICE MAYNE MSHC - 4-3-2008 at 05:10 PM

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I look at it like this...if one of my childhood friends moved out of Philly to another city/suburb when they were in even lets say 4th grade...I would not consider them a Philadelphian. Yeah, you were born here but you didn't become who you are today because you lived in Philly.


I agree 100%. It may be different for nationality but where I'm from if you moved away when you were a few months old then you were just born in my neighborhood/city/region...not from there.

Discipline - 4-3-2008 at 05:11 PM

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I look at it like this...if one of my childhood friends moved out of Philly to another city/suburb when they were in even lets say 4th grade...I would not consider them a Philadelphian. Yeah, you were born here but you didn't become who you are today because you lived in Philly.


I agree 100%. It may be different for nationality but where I'm from if you moved away when you were a few months old then you were just born in my neighborhood/city/region...not from there.


That's the way I see it.

tireironsaint - 4-3-2008 at 06:39 PM

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As for you Yanks that want to invade, remember the war of 1812. We'll torch the White House again.
I'm perfectly ok with that minor consequence.

defstarsteve - 4-3-2008 at 06:42 PM

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As for you Yanks that want to invade, remember the war of 1812. We'll torch the White House again.
I'm perfectly ok with that minor consequence.


i'll bring the matches

Discipline - 4-3-2008 at 07:09 PM

Had a feeling that would be the response.:bigsmile:

JawnDiablo - 4-3-2008 at 11:07 PM

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Originally posted by Discipline
As for you Yanks that want to invade, remember the war of 1812. We'll torch the White House again.
I'm perfectly ok with that minor consequence.


i'll bring the matches


I'll bring potato salad

DaveMoral - 4-4-2008 at 08:21 AM

^I'm with them.

Nationality isn't even something I think about. I just don't care.

That whole North American Union thing is going to go through in a few years and the US, Canada and Mexico will all be the same. BTW Discipline, I think your little brother has to see more Cubans than Mexicans in Florida.

JawnDiablo - 4-4-2008 at 10:00 AM

I see plenty of mexicans in norristown......

DaveMoral - 4-6-2008 at 07:25 PM

^But Florida man, that's where ALL the Cubans go.

bombidol - 4-6-2008 at 07:29 PM

yeah man, just watch scarface.

Siczine.com - 4-7-2008 at 12:24 AM

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^I'm with them.

Nationality isn't even something I think about. I just don't care.

That whole North American Union thing is going to go through in a few years and the US, Canada and Mexico will all be the same. BTW Discipline, I think your little brother has to see more Cubans than Mexicans in Florida.


We'll all be using Ameros one day!