Burried, Cremated or Flushed Down The Toilet?

XHonusWagnerX - 5-9-2008 at 11:49 AM

CONCORD, N.H. - Since they first walked the planet, humans have either buried or burned their dead. Now a new option is generating interest — dissolving bodies in lye and flushing the brownish, syrupy residue down the drain.

The process is called alkaline hydrolysis and was developed in this country 16 years ago to get rid of animal carcasses. It uses lye, 300-degree heat and 60 pounds of pressure per square inch to destroy bodies in big stainless-steel cylinders that are similar to pressure cookers.

No funeral homes in the U.S. — or anywhere else in the world, as far as the equipment manufacturer knows — offer it. In fact, only two U.S. medical centers use it on human bodies, and only on cadavers donated for research.

But because of its environmental advantages, some in the funeral industry say it could someday rival burial and cremation.

"It's not often that a truly game-changing technology comes along in the funeral service," the newsletter Funeral Service Insider said in September. But "we might have gotten a hold of one."

Procedure faces tough public relations
Getting the public to accept a process that strikes some as ghastly may be the biggest challenge. Psychopaths and dictators have used acid or lye to torture or erase their victims, and legislation to make alkaline hydrolysis available to the public in New York state was branded "Hannibal Lecter's bill" in a play on the movie character's sadism.

Alkaline hydrolysis is legal in Minnesota and in New Hampshire, where a Manchester funeral director is pushing to offer it. But he has yet to line up the necessary regulatory approvals, and some New Hampshire lawmakers want to repeal the little-noticed 2006 state law legalizing it.

"We believe this process, which enables a portion of human remains to be flushed down a drain, to be undignified," said Patrick McGee, a spokesman for the Roman Catholic Diocese of Manchester.

State Rep. Barbara French said she, for one, might choose alkaline hydrolysis.

"I'm getting near that age and thought about cremation, but this is equally as good and less of an environmental problem," the 81-year-old lawmaker said. "It doesn't bother me any more than being burned up. Cremation, you're burned up. I've thought about it, but I'm dead."

In addition to the liquid, the process leaves a dry bone residue similar in appearance and volume to cremated remains. It could be returned to the family in an urn or buried in a cemetery.

The coffee-colored liquid has the consistency of motor oil and a strong ammonia smell. But proponents say it is sterile and can, in most cases, be safely poured down the drain, provided the operation has the necessary permits.

Alkaline hydrolysis doesn't take up as much space in cemeteries as burial. And the process could ease concerns about crematorium emissions, including carbon dioxide as well as mercury from silver dental fillings.

The University of Florida in Gainesville and the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn., have used alkaline hydrolysis to dispose of cadavers since the mid-1990s and 2005, respectively.

Brad Crain, president of BioSafe Engineering, the Brownsburg, Ind., company that makes the steel cylinders, estimated 40 to 50 other facilities use them on human medical waste, animal carcasses or both. The users include veterinary schools, universities, pharmaceutical companies and the U.S. government.

Liquid waste from cadavers goes down the drain at both the Mayo Clinic and the University of Florida, as does the liquid residue from human tissue and animal carcasses at alkaline hydrolysis sites elsewhere.

One funeral home weighs option
Manchester funeral director Chad Corbin wants to operate a $300,000 cylinder in New Hampshire. He said that an alkaline hydrolysis operation is more expensive to set up than a crematorium but that he would charge customers about as much as he would for cremation.

George Carlson, an industrial-waste manager for the New Hampshire Department of Environmental Services, said things the public might find more troubling routinely flow into sewage treatment plants in the U.S. all the time. That includes blood and spillover embalming fluid from funeral homes.

The department issued a permit to Corbin last year, but he let the deal on the property fall through because of delays in getting the other necessary permits. Now he must go through the process all over again, and there is gathering resistance. But he said he is undeterred.

"I don't know how long it will take," he said recently, "but eventually it will happen."

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clevohardcore - 5-9-2008 at 12:11 PM

No that won't be bad for our water system or anything. Sounds like a great idea.

defstarsteve - 5-9-2008 at 12:46 PM

if they could only turn the bodies into bio fuel...

Discipline - 5-9-2008 at 01:46 PM

Burial is pointless. I'll take cremation any day.

clevohardcore - 5-9-2008 at 03:46 PM

mummies are cool

JawnDiablo - 5-9-2008 at 04:07 PM

i wanna be freeze dried and propped up in the corner at the khyber and used as a coat rack

Discipline - 5-9-2008 at 04:39 PM

I always thought it would be fun to be cremated and have my ashes bleached and sold to junkies. My family members could watch junkies snort my ashes up their noses and have a good chuckle.

Siczine.com - 5-9-2008 at 05:01 PM

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Originally posted by clevohardcore
No that won't be bad for our water system or anything. Sounds like a great idea.

Seriously. The 81 year old lawmaker talking about how this process is less harmful to the environment than pouring body residue and lye down the drain is a fucking retard. This shit is fucking stupid.

Discipline - 5-9-2008 at 05:07 PM

81 years old means he'll likely be dead before it starts so he doesn't have to care.

necrobutcher - 5-9-2008 at 08:49 PM

Theoretically, I could be more environmentally safe. Last I checked, cemeteries are filling up fast and I recall someone mentioning that there is/was a short lived investment fad of buying plots in cemeteries, holding them for a while and selling them at a mark up (which kind of makes it like buying futures).

If there is a way to neutralize any harmful chemicals in the solution, it should be better than the cremation angle as well.

Siczine.com - 5-10-2008 at 08:59 PM

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Originally posted by necrobutcher
Theoretically, I could be more environmentally safe. Last I checked, cemeteries are filling up fast and I recall someone mentioning that there is/was a short lived investment fad of buying plots in cemeteries, holding them for a while and selling them at a mark up (which kind of makes it like buying futures).

If there is a way to neutralize any harmful chemicals in the solution, it should be better than the cremation angle as well.

Many places in Europe already have banned burying people. And the practice is a waste of space.

DaveMoral - 5-11-2008 at 09:49 AM

I'll be buried in a white shroad and no box. That way I can decompose and return my flesh to the earth. No embalming, none of that shit.

Burial's only a waste of space when you try to put your loved one's in a spectacular box in a dedicated space for burial etc. Our bodies were meant to be returned to the earth and contribute to the life cycle. The way society does it is problematic, not the practice itself.

There was a time when I wanted to be creamated though, not so much now. Practically it should have the same effect though... dump your ashes somewhere and they can nourish the soil, thus providing nourishment to plants and animals etc.

Voodoobillyman - 5-14-2008 at 01:11 AM

Burial at sea for me. They take your ashes out on a ship you get a burial with full military honors. They videotape it for any family and they also send the family the flag that was flying during your burial, a nautical chart with the lat and long of your burial site and something else, I forget. It's free for retired military too, just like going into Arlington. My wife can choose to be buried with me too, whichever of us goes first is held on to until the other joins them, than we both go out and are given to the sea together. I have had the honor of being on several burial at sea details and would not have it any other way for myself.

Furly - 5-14-2008 at 10:34 AM

My great grandparents bought either 10 or 12 spots (I was told 12, but looks like 10 to me) very many years ago. Currently there is only my grampy and his parents buried there. I have in my will to be burried right ontop of my grandpa so that I don't take up any extra space that could be used for future Furlys.