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the good old days?

Murk - 5-21-2008 at 05:30 PM

http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080521145247...

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It may be the mother of all doom and gloom gas price predictions: $12 for a gallon of gas is “inevitable.”

Robert Hirsch, Management Information Services Senior Energy Advisor, gave a dire warning about the potential future of gas prices on CNBC’s May 20 “Squawk Box”. He told host Becky Quick there was no single thing that would solve the problem, due to the enormity of the problem.

"The prices that we’re paying at the pump today are, I think, going to be ‘the good old days,’ because others who watch this very closely forecast that we’re going to be hitting $12 and $15 per gallon,” Hirsch said. “And then, after that, when oil – world oil production goes into decline, we’re going to talk about rationing. In other words, not only are we going to be paying high prices and have considerable economic problems, but in addition to that, we’re not going to be able to get the fuel when we want it.”

Hirsch told the Business & Media Institute the $12-$15 a gallon wasn’t his prediction, but that he was citing Charles T. Maxwell, described as the “Dean of Oil Analysts” and the senior energy analyst at Weeden & Co. Still, Hirsch admitted the high price was inevitable in his view.

“I don’t attempt to predict oil prices because it’s been impossible in the past,” Hirsch said in an e-mail. “We’re into a new era now, and over the next roughly five years the trend will be up significantly. However, there may be dips and bumps that no one can forecast; I wouldn’t be at all surprised. To me the multi-year upswing is inevitable.”

Maxwell’s original $12-15-a-gallon prediction came in a February 5 interview with Energytechstocks.com, a Web site run by two former Wall Street Journal staffers.

“[Maxwell] expects an oil-induced financial crisis to start somewhere in the 2010 to 2015 timeframe,” Energytechstocks.com reported. “He said that, unlike the recession the U.S. appears to be in today, ‘This will not be six months of hell and then we come out of it.’ Rather, Maxwell expects this financial crisis to last at least 10 or 12 years, as the world goes through a prolonged period of price-induced rationing (eg, oil up to $300 a barrel and U.S. pump prices up to $15 a gallon).”

clevohardcore - 5-21-2008 at 05:49 PM

My professor said that the Saudies are playing a smart game. They are jacking it up but then in a moments time are going to dramatically lower it to historic lows. Just like in the late 70's early 80's.
IN order to force the ones who are attempting to drill and invest money on more refineries to stop wasting money on a cheap com....

BDx13 - 5-21-2008 at 06:13 PM

the difference between now and the 70s, though, is that demand is up - way up - in other parts of the world. china is a perfect example.

Siczine.com - 5-22-2008 at 12:28 AM

Yeah China is just becoming developed economically speaking, truly a neo-communist regime they have now. To spur the general public to buy automobiles the gov't has made it a goal to keep gas at $2.97. With a pop. of over a billion, if China reaches the % of car ownership among it's citizens that America has, fuel prices will get crazy...if they can even keep up (America owns 46% of all automobiles in the world).

And yeah if you thought the oil crisis' of 73 and 79 were bad you're in for a rude awakening.

I am glad no car owns me.

Voodoobillyman - 5-22-2008 at 02:14 AM

High gas prices suck, but they will force all oil users to reevaluate how they personally consume said oil. It is high time we stop taking a fossil fuel with globally limited supply for granted like it will be there forever. Alternative energy is not just a trend, it is a necessity for survival. I say bring on 12-15 dollar a gallon gas, it will force the changes no one seems to REALLY want to bring about until they have gotten every last cent from the status quo. Not to mention, an alternative energy source would free us up to tell the Middle Eastern nations to pack fucking sand, there would be no excuse for our presence in a portion of the world that has nothing but contempt for us anyway.

BDx13 - 5-22-2008 at 09:12 AM

what worries me is that even if we make changes in our immediate lives - get a hybrid or electric car, install solar panels, etc - to avoid the direct effects of high energy prices, we're still gonna feel it as the cost of other goods rise. high energy costs translate to high everything costs.

XHonusWagnerX - 5-22-2008 at 09:18 AM

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Originally posted by Voodoobillyman
I say bring on 12-15 dollar a gallon gas, it will force the changes no one seems to REALLY want to bring about until they have gotten every last cent from the status quo. Not to mention, an alternative energy source would free us up to tell the Middle Eastern nations to pack fucking sand, there would be no excuse for our presence in a portion of the world that has nothing but contempt for us anyway.




I agree that we need a change and that there are a ton of things that we can do beyond oil. The problem is that right now the easiest way to get around is in a gas powered car. I dont work close to home and couldnt make enough to live if I did. As much as I support change and fixing the problems.... If gas goes to $15 a gallon, I dont know what I will do because I wont be able to afoard to get to work.


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Originally posted by BD
high energy costs translate to high everything costs.


Thats definitly the truth. We're feeling it now, but if gas tripples from where its at now, no one will be able to live.

Voodoobillyman - 5-22-2008 at 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by BD
what worries me is that even if we make changes in our immediate lives - get a hybrid or electric car, install solar panels, etc - to avoid the direct effects of high energy prices, we're still gonna feel it as the cost of other goods rise. high energy costs translate to high everything costs.


this may, for better or worse, be the exact shot in the arm our society needs to finally kick our oil habit completely. It may also cause us to get off our collective asses as a people and truly demand the government come up with a tangible answer that has the momentum to beat special interests. I'm not saying it will be easy and people will indeed suffer from higher costs of living, we are all feeling the pinch right now for sure. But lower oil costs will only be temporary and will do nothing to solve the ultimate problem, it will allow us to slump back into our complacentness (is that a word?).

Siczine.com - 5-22-2008 at 04:47 PM

I agree with VooDoo because people need to wake the fuck up. People can't stand having their beliefs and way of living questioned but guess what, things need to change! And if planners and cities thought of the repurcussions that urban sprawl would cause down the line it would make getting off gasoline a lot easier but no, people want huge houses on cheap land in the middle of nowhere, which makes owning a car absolutely necessary.

Murk - 5-22-2008 at 05:55 PM

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Originally posted by BD
what worries me is that even if we make changes in our immediate lives - get a hybrid or electric car, install solar panels, etc - to avoid the direct effects of high energy prices, we're still gonna feel it as the cost of other goods rise. high energy costs translate to high everything costs.

yep.

American Airlines said Wednesday it was cutting domestic flights and hiking certain fees as it battles to offset rocketing crude oil prices.

As prices at gasoline pumps and grocery stores rise U.S. consumers say they are driving less but they can't cut down on eating, a new poll found.

Siczine.com - 5-22-2008 at 06:03 PM

I disagree. Half in jest and half serious.

America is obese as shit and a majority of the population could stand to eat less.