who deserves a 'Hardcore Legend' card?

XHonusWagnerX - 6-11-2008 at 02:49 PM

We had a thread awhile back about what bands would/should be in the 'Hardcore Hall of Fame'. This is a similiar idea, but more based on individual people rather than bands.

Vinny Stigma
Kevin Seconds
Jimmy Gestapo
Choke
Jon Joseph
H.R.
Ray Cappo
Henry Rollins
Greg Ginn

Mark Lind - 6-11-2008 at 02:50 PM

Not to lick his balls in public but obviously Paul Bearer does too. Roger Miret and Freddy Madball.

XHonusWagnerX - 6-11-2008 at 02:51 PM

Paul Bearer
Rob Lind

Discipline - 6-11-2008 at 02:54 PM

Jimmy G
Vinnie Stigma
Roger Miret
John Brannon
Choke
Al Barile
Ian McKaye
Henry Rollins
Greg Ginn
Joey Shithead
Cretin

XHonusWagnerX - 6-11-2008 at 02:59 PM

Harley Flanagan (I dont like him, but I think he qualifys)
Wattie
Raybeeze
Keith Morris

JawnDiablo - 6-11-2008 at 03:33 PM

Paul Bearer
Jimmy Gestapo
John Brannon
Harley and JJ (if we give them one will they kiss and make up?)
Vinny Stigma
Hank Rollins
Ian
HR
and some other dudes.
i'm exhausted right now and its hard to hink.

CR83 - 6-11-2008 at 04:12 PM

Jerry Only and Doyle

CR83 - 6-11-2008 at 04:12 PM

The Stern Brothers?

WINTHESKIN - 6-11-2008 at 04:20 PM

HERES MY HALL OF FAME
RAYBEEZ
JIMMY G
ROGER
VINNIE
IAN
HENRY
H.R.
MIKE JUDGE[ONE OF HARDCORES ONLY MYSTERY'S,EVERYONE ELSE IS PRETTY MUCH AN OPEN BOOK
CHOKE
LOU AND PETE KOLLER
CRAIG AHEAD
HARLEY AND JON
PAUL BEARER
KEVIN SECONDS
RAY AND PORCELL
CIV
WALTER SHREIFELS
DINJI BROWN
CHAKA MALIK
KURT BRECHT
MIKE MUIR

panzerkreuzer - 6-11-2008 at 05:58 PM

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Ursprünglich verfasst von CR83
The Stern Brothers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

youth brigade are so underrated. sink with california is one of the best punkrock lps ever.

lee hollis.
maybe you don´t know him, he´s the singer of the german band the spermbirds and one one of the most impressive people i met.
he wrote great songs w/ cool lyrix and some awesome books.
http://www.myspace.com/spermbirds

SS76 - 6-11-2008 at 08:34 PM

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Originally posted by XHonusWagnerX

Rob Lind

and Jimmy G without a fucking doubt.

upyerbum - 6-11-2008 at 09:21 PM

Steve Goof

Discipline - 6-11-2008 at 09:35 PM

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Originally posted by upyerbum
Steve Goof

I was going to list him but I didn't think anybody would know who he was.

tireironsaint - 6-11-2008 at 10:01 PM

John Brannon
Paul Bearer
Tesco Vee
Ian MacKaye
Keith Morris
Tim Kerr
Biscuit
Choke
H.R.
Al Barile
The Stern Brothers
Joey Shithead

Discipline - 6-11-2008 at 10:24 PM

Can't believe I forgot Tesco Vee.

JawnDiablo - 6-11-2008 at 11:12 PM

what about that dope with the earth crisis tattoo on his face?

DeathByForce - 6-11-2008 at 11:52 PM

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Originally posted by juandiablo
what about that dope with the earth crisis tattoo on his face?

that'd be the joker card

Voodoobillyman - 6-12-2008 at 03:01 AM

Jello B

joemaconmovies - 6-12-2008 at 09:22 AM

Al Barr
Jeff Morris

(both from the bruisers years)

everyone else has been said.

upyerbum - 6-12-2008 at 09:27 AM

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Originally posted by Discipline

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Originally posted by upyerbum
Steve Goof

I was going to list him but I didn't think anybody would know who he was.

I figured the same thing, but he's been at it for 30 years.
Guy's a legend on the street, love him or hate him.

MikeFromInhuman - 6-12-2008 at 02:07 PM

Every person mentioned so far is good to go if you ask me.

BKT - 6-12-2008 at 02:53 PM

Mean Steve from OLC (caused so much shit he deserves mention)
Jamie Hatebreed (I even hate to say it, but he has done a lot.)

Other then who has been listed previous that is all I can think of right now.

MM.

godabandonedme - 6-12-2008 at 03:10 PM

I agree with everyone.

Mcloglan an Ken Kasey

And how is it only one person fucking mentioned Lou an Pete Kholer(sp?)????

joemaconmovies - 6-12-2008 at 07:48 PM

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Originally posted by godabandonedme
I agree with everyone.

Mcloglan an Ken Kasey

And how is it only one person fucking mentioned Lou an Pete Kholer(sp?)????

aren't they more punk then hardcore?

XHonusWagnerX - 6-12-2008 at 08:23 PM

Theres only a couple of names here that I'm not totally on board for...

Ken Casey
Jamie Jasta
Freddy Madball
Jeff Morris

I also nominate...

Craig Ahead
Sweet Pete
Lee Ving
Johnny Rotten

and possibly...

Dwid
Robo
Glen Danzig
Darby Crash

SS76 - 6-12-2008 at 08:34 PM

Billy Milano
Gary Meskil
Carnivore era Peter Steel

joemaconmovies - 6-12-2008 at 10:02 PM

no for rotten.

i picked jeff morris cause he wrote a lot of the bruisers songs. also no to ken casey and mike mccolgan.

i also nominate clif hanger.

godabandonedme - 6-12-2008 at 11:25 PM

Are we debating the difference between hardcore and fucking hardcore punk now? God I wana puke.

REV.PAULIE - 6-13-2008 at 06:42 AM

MY MA AND DA.

AINT NONE HARDER.

REV.PAULIE
black emo (i think that's funny....emo phillips is still harder than your band...guaranteed,nigga!)

Lucabrasi - 6-13-2008 at 07:14 AM

jello B for sure.

joemaconmovies - 6-13-2008 at 08:45 AM

i don't think dkm is hardcore punk though, that's all. there are a number of boston bands that had a much harder punk sound then them.

gavin - 6-13-2008 at 09:14 AM

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Originally posted by joemaconmovies
i don't think dkm is hardcore punk though, that's all. there are a number of boston bands that had a much harder punk sound then them.

so what are they then?

joemaconmovies - 6-13-2008 at 10:48 AM

dkm is punk. they're a lot more celtic punk recently. i just don't really see the hardcore punk except when they do hardcore covers. sorry. my opinion. if dkm gets in then i've got a giant list of boston punk bands that should be listed.

gavin - 6-13-2008 at 11:13 AM

thing is where does one draw the line

i think anyone, be them "punk" or "hardcore" who has made a big impact on this culture(and whether some people like it or not, all this is rooted in punk rock) they should be a part of any sort of list made.

Discipline - 6-13-2008 at 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by MrBadVibes
thing is where does one draw the line

i think anyone, be them "punk" or "hardcore" who has made a big impact on this culture(and whether some people like it or not, all this is rooted in punk rock) they should be a part of any sort of list made.

gavin - 6-13-2008 at 11:21 AM

i knew you'd agree with me holmes.

XHonusWagnerX - 6-13-2008 at 12:10 PM

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Originally posted by MrBadVibes
i knew you'd agree with me holmes.

I agree totally, but still dont think any of the DKM should make the list.

gavin - 6-13-2008 at 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by XHonusWagnerX

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Originally posted by MrBadVibes
i knew you'd agree with me holmes.

I agree totally, but still dont think any of the DKM should make the list.

honestly i dont either
but one could look at it like there are few punk bands in the last however many years that have made the kind of impact they have
so i could see how one would think they may have a place although personally i dont

XHonusWagnerX - 6-13-2008 at 12:30 PM

What about Dickey Barret?

Impact Unit
Bosstones
Jimmy Kimal show
Drew the cover for DYS 'Brotherhood'

gavin - 6-13-2008 at 12:51 PM

here's a "hardcore" list of people who have made an important contribution to these things. dont debate me on this. really think about the people i mention and understand what they have done............in no order,

johnny rotten
joe strummer
johnny, deedee and joey ramone
lemmy
stiv
darby crash
john doe and exene from X
keith morris
greg ginn
chuck dukowski
henry rollins
ian mccaye
john brannon
tesco
biafra
h.r.
roger and stigma
harley and john
danzig
wattie
lee ving
jerry a and pig from poison idea
paul bearer
jimmy from sham 69
jimmy g.
ray from warzone
choke

more later maybe

SS76 - 6-13-2008 at 12:58 PM

I was gonna put Lemmy but didn't want the debate either...

JawnDiablo - 6-13-2008 at 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by MrBadVibes
here's a "hardcore" list of people who have made an important contribution to these things. dont debate me on this. really think about the people i mention and understand what they have done............in no order,

johnny rotten
joe strummer
johnny, deedee and joey ramone
lemmy
stiv
darby crash
john doe and exene from X
keith morris
greg ginn
chuck dukowski
henry rollins
ian mccaye
john brannon
tesco
biafra
h.r.
roger and stigma
harley and john
danzig
wattie
lee ving
jerry a and pig from poison idea
paul bearer
jimmy from sham 69
jimmy g.
ray from warzone
choke

more later maybe

sounds solid to me.
I agree wit all of it.

gavin - 6-13-2008 at 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by Shootingscars
I was gonna put Lemmy but didn't want the debate either...

the fact that motorhead has influence so many hardcore and punk bands theres really no debating it

gavin - 6-13-2008 at 01:05 PM

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sounds solid to me.
I agree wit all of it.

thank you sir

i can actually tell beforehand who will agree with me and who will not.

joemaconmovies - 6-13-2008 at 01:07 PM

if we wanted people who made important contributions to the scene, then it shouldn't just be hardcore legends. it does get confusing. i won't argue with you. but if we're gonna include punk i'm gonna include dkm members.

newbreedbrian - 6-13-2008 at 01:09 PM

you'll get no arguments from me on any of those, though i'd like to add charlie harper to the list

SS76 - 6-13-2008 at 01:10 PM

I wouldn't, but someone else here might. I'd buy a deck of these hardcore legend cards....we'd need 52 and it could be done. Jimmy G would definately be a joker....

gavin - 6-13-2008 at 01:12 PM

it should be the whole thing as one thing.
it gets too weird when someone says hardcore.
cuz like alot of people think hatebreed is hardcore and to me it sounds like shitty shitty metal with some baseball hat wearing jock screaming over it.

so thats why im thinking as a whole as opposed to splitting it up into classifications

i have no beef with dkm being in
i wouldnt put them there but im cool with it if they are

SS76 - 6-13-2008 at 01:12 PM

Rob Lind would top my list, maybe the ace of clubs, and you know what Lemmy gets.

JawnDiablo - 6-13-2008 at 01:40 PM

I'd put Iggy Pop in there.
That's just me though.
Iggy's pretty hardcore as per definitionof hard core

gavin - 6-13-2008 at 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by juandiablo
I'd put Iggy Pop in there.
That's just me though.
Iggy's pretty hardcore as per definitionof hard core

agreed
same with charlie harper

Discipline - 6-13-2008 at 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by MrBadVibes
it should be the whole thing as one thing.
it gets too weird when someone says hardcore.
cuz like alot of people think hatebreed is hardcore and to me it sounds like shitty shitty metal with some baseball hat wearing jock screaming over it.

so thats why im thinking as a whole as opposed to splitting it up into classifications

i have no beef with dkm being in
i wouldnt put them there but im cool with it if they are

Exactly. Despite the ridiculous number of sub-genres there are these days, at the end of the day it all comes from punk. The Pistols, Clash, and Ramones influenced all of the bands that started hardcore. Interview any of the old school guys like Brannon and they'll tell you the same thing. Oi ain't hardcore, but there's a lot of guys/bands I'd add to this list.

Bruisers
Business
Anti-Heros
Cock Sparrer
Cockney Rejects
Sham 69
Last Resort

to name a few.

upyerbum - 6-13-2008 at 04:30 PM

There's the guys that started it, but there's also the guys who keep it going. You could break it into decades. And personally I think anybody who's out there bustin' their ass for little to no money deserves a tip of the hat. I'm sure we could come up with a list of 52 people from every scene and every era. And I can't believe nobodhy's mentioned GG, none more hardcore than GG.

upyerbum - 6-13-2008 at 04:34 PM

Let us not forget the fairer sex:

Penelope Houston
Wendy O'Williams
Becky Bondage
Polly Styrene

SS76 - 6-13-2008 at 04:39 PM

El Duce

XHonusWagnerX - 6-13-2008 at 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by MrBadVibes

johnny rotten
joe strummer
johnny, deedee and joey ramone
lemmy
stiv
darby crash
john doe and exene from X
keith morris
greg ginn
chuck dukowski
henry rollins
ian mccaye
john brannon
tesco
biafra
h.r.
roger and stigma
harley and john
danzig
wattie
lee ving
jerry a and pig from poison idea
paul bearer
jimmy from sham 69
jimmy g.
ray from warzone
choke

I agree with them all... just curious, why no Marky Ramone?

Here are some other good possibilities....

Wendy O. Williams (I know someone else said her too)
Rob Lind
Iggy Pop (even though I'm not a big fan)
G.G. Allin
Kevin Seconds
Mike Muir
Pepper Keenan
Walter Schreifels
Dave Smalley
Milo Aukerman

tireironsaint - 6-13-2008 at 06:51 PM

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This could have come right outta my mouth. I get into the arguments about genres and such and younger kids accuse me of sticking too much to the definitions of it that I have, but I see it as them doing that from the other side of the issue and while I exclude bands like Hatebreed and all that garbage, they exclude bands like DKs or Big Boys because it doesn't fit their idea of the proper sound.

joemaconmovies - 6-13-2008 at 07:52 PM

tommy ramone before marky ramone because tommy created the drumming style

LordActionWood - 6-13-2008 at 09:11 PM

this is such a rough question for me because:

1. I am not much for guru/people worship...you are a legend when the music "hits" you..therefore anyone can be a legend...that is what is cool about hardcore

2. The spirit of hardcore music, in my opinion, is traceable right back to the roots of black music in america...should we give son house some respects on this jawn?!?

i swear i am not trying to be a dick......this is a hard question.