Texan Kills Burglars, No Charges Laid

Six66Mike - 7-2-2008 at 10:16 PM

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/06/30/texas-shotgun-killi...

So I saw the story on the Today Show and last nights news and they played the 911 tape of this dude telling the operator he was gonna go next door and shoot these people.

They said Horn was scared and feared for his life, and was under attack by these 2 dudes. Listen to the tape, he was not scared he was pissed off these guys were gonna steal from a neighbour, he said "it's not right, i have to stop them" then when the operator says to stay inside or you'll get shot he goes "wanna make a bet"

The fact he was not indicted to me is just a sad sign of the times. The audio tape says it all, the guy clearly said he was going next door to stop them, he gave no warning to the men, simply saying "move, your dead" and a second later gun shots in the back probably as they turned to run away.

Am I the only one who thinks this is fucked up and dude should be charged with 2 counts of 1st degree murder?

BDx13 - 7-2-2008 at 10:32 PM

the castle laws, which exist in a number of states, say the use of deadly force is justified to protect property. obviously, it's designed to protect people who defend themselves against actual intruders in their house, but in this case it apparently applies as well. (cause you know in america, you can shoot a burglar in your home, then be sued by the burglar!) personally, i think ol' joe horn wanted to shoot some brown men.

Murk - 7-2-2008 at 10:42 PM

i just don't get the whole "burglar rights" thing.

just this morning some shady looking dude was ringing our doorbell at 4:45 AM.

he kept ringing the doorbell, sort of like he was checking to see if someone was home.

i kept on eye on him while my gf loaded the gun.

if we catch you in our home, you're getting some lead soup. end of story.

tireironsaint - 7-2-2008 at 10:55 PM

I would love to have a neighbor who realized that living next door to a house that is being openly robbed is a threat to his household as well. Any criminals who feel they have the balls to openly break into someone's home and expect the neighbors to keep out of it deserve to be shot. One of the things I actually like about living in the tiny town I'm in is that neighbors are almost like extended family and are more than happy to keep an eye out and even act on things going down that don't seem right.

gavin - 7-2-2008 at 11:01 PM

FUCK THOSE DUDES
YOU BREAK INTO SOMEONES HOUSE TO STEAL THEIR SHIT, YOU GIVE UP ALL RIGHTS
IM GLAD DUDE STOOD UP AND SHOT THESE FUCKS
FUCK THEM
PEOPLE WHO WANNA PLAY THAT KIND OF SHIT SOMETIMES HAVTA PAY A PRICE LARGER THEN THEY MAY HAVE THOUGHT
TOUGH SHIT

gavin - 7-2-2008 at 11:02 PM

woah
sorry for the caps
i wasnt really yelling

Murk - 7-2-2008 at 11:02 PM

yeah, can you imagine coming home from wherever and seeing police at your place.

you get worried and then find out that some burglars had your valuables and were about to remove them from your posession, but your neighbor fucked 'em up before they could get away with your stuff.

you wouldn't hear any complaints out of me.

i'd proabably buy the dude some ammo.

defstarsteve - 7-2-2008 at 11:32 PM

dude was in the right for shooting them
but he could have taken out a leg on each...
and the nthey could have been ass raped for a few years as well....

now what about that black guy that shot the white kid on his yard on long island last year...
he is headed to jail, and the white kid did threaten him and was on his property...

bombidol - 7-3-2008 at 05:01 AM

Break into someones house you run the risk. that simple.

gav - 7-3-2008 at 05:27 AM

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Originally posted by Murk
i just don't get the whole "burglar rights" thing.

just this morning some shady looking dude was ringing our doorbell at 4:45 AM.

he kept ringing the doorbell, sort of like he was checking to see if someone was home.

i kept on eye on him while my gf loaded the gun.

if we catch you in our home, you're getting some lead soup. end of story.

Thats pretty fucked up.

No one deserves to be killed for burglary.

gav - 7-3-2008 at 05:36 AM

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Originally posted by Murk
yeah, can you imagine coming home from wherever and seeing police at your place.

you get worried and then find out that some burglars had your valuables and were about to remove them from your posession, but your neighbor fucked 'em up before they could get away with your stuff.

you wouldn't hear any complaints out of me.

i'd proabably buy the dude some ammo.

Cool so if a friend or family member of yours came round to your house, knocked on the door, but you were out or asleep or whatever. They come round the back door and into your house, pick up a bag and walks through into your living room.

Your neighbor see this and comes over with a shot gun, sees a stranger in your house, assumes its a buglar, and blows their head off. No complaints?

Shooting and killing people in your house will never be justifiable.

JawnDiablo - 7-3-2008 at 08:14 AM

With my luck I would rot in jail for 5 years while the courts sorted out the facts if I wasted a couple scumbag burglars.
I'm sick of hearing about the rights of scumbags and them getting to sue for crap.
They gave up that shit the minute they tried climbing into the window of someone elses property.

gav - 7-3-2008 at 08:19 AM

Murderer < Burglar

Six66Mike - 7-3-2008 at 08:30 AM

Well atleast one person saw where I was coming from. I don't even know if these dudes had anything, but stealing a TV or DVD player ain't worth getting killed for, seriously.

DAK - 7-3-2008 at 08:33 AM

I don't think he did it because he was racist. The persons house he protected was Vietnamese. I think he hates burgulars.

defstarsteve - 7-3-2008 at 09:16 AM

shoot but don't kill

BKT - 7-3-2008 at 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by Six66Mike
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/06/30/texas-shotgun-killi...

So I saw the story on the Today Show and last nights news and they played the 911 tape of this dude telling the operator he was gonna go next door and shoot these people.

They said Horn was scared and feared for his life, and was under attack by these 2 dudes. Listen to the tape, he was not scared he was pissed off these guys were gonna steal from a neighbour, he said "it's not right, i have to stop them" then when the operator says to stay inside or you'll get shot he goes "wanna make a bet"

The fact he was not indicted to me is just a sad sign of the times. The audio tape says it all, the guy clearly said he was going next door to stop them, he gave no warning to the men, simply saying "move, your dead" and a second later gun shots in the back probably as they turned to run away.

Am I the only one who thinks this is fucked up and dude should be charged with 2 counts of 1st degree murder?

Fuck those scumbags that is great what that guy did. People who steal from your home deserve to be shot in the fucking face.

gav - 7-3-2008 at 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by metal mulisha

Fuck those scumbags that is great what that guy did. People who steal from your home deserve to be shot in the fucking face.

I assume you are being sarcastic or ironic.

Nobody with enough braincells to find the on switch of a computer would be this retarded.

Unless of course it was already swtiched on when you found it. In which case I'm sure your care worker will be along soon to give you your medication so there is no need to panic.

mattybar - 7-3-2008 at 11:32 AM

"don't mess with texas"

Discipline - 7-3-2008 at 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by MrBadVibes
FUCK THOSE DUDES
YOU BREAK INTO SOMEONES HOUSE TO STEAL THEIR SHIT, YOU GIVE UP ALL RIGHTS
IM GLAD DUDE STOOD UP AND SHOT THESE FUCKS
FUCK THEM
PEOPLE WHO WANNA PLAY THAT KIND OF SHIT SOMETIMES HAVTA PAY A PRICE LARGER THEN THEY MAY HAVE THOUGHT
TOUGH SHIT

xChino_Martinezx - 7-3-2008 at 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by defstarsteve
dude was in the right for shooting them
but he could have taken out a leg on each...
and the nthey could have been ass raped for a few years as well....

it could have been something like this:

Moe: Uh, hi, I’m Moe S.

Crowd: Hi, Moe!

Moe: Yeah, so last night I was closing up the bar, when some young punk comes in and tries to stick me up. [the crowd gasps]

Sideshow Mel: Whatever did you do, Moe?

Moe: Well, it coulda been a real ugly situation, but, I managed to shoot him in the spine. Yeah. I guess the next place he robs better have a ramp!

clevohardcore - 7-3-2008 at 12:08 PM

Liberty to defend is an honor. Especially when the neighbor takes it upon himself to look out for the other. Good stuff.

defstarsteve - 7-3-2008 at 12:09 PM

they would never steal another thing and have to live with the shame of their crime for the rest of their miserable lives

morgan - 7-3-2008 at 12:13 PM

As far as I'm concerned the guy did the right thing. Cops most likely wouldn't have shown up in time to do anything about the burglars. If something bad happens to you while you are committing a crime, tough shit. You shouldn't have been breaking the law.

clevohardcore - 7-3-2008 at 12:18 PM

IF a doucheba gis willing to rob and B&E then they are willing to pay with their life if caught by a bystander.

BDx13 - 7-3-2008 at 12:28 PM

the cops were already there and saw joe brown shoot them.

defstarsteve - 7-3-2008 at 12:40 PM

that is the long island case right?

brown shot the white boy

Discipline - 7-3-2008 at 01:32 PM

I don't know how U.S. law works, but in Canada if I catch a guy breaking into my place and he's not armed I can't legally use a weapon on him. If he has a knife and I shoot him with a gun, I can be charged with excessive force and battery.

One law that really pisses me off is if somebody is breaking into your place and slips on a cracked tile or something, he can sue you for keeping an unsafe environment.

Six66Mike - 7-3-2008 at 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by BD
the cops were already there and saw joe brown shoot them.

See they didn't say that on the news, which is just another reason dude should have been indicted and sent to fucking jail.

He shot them IN THE BACK, gave fuck all warning that he would shoot them, called 911 with the intent of killing these dudes over petty theft. And the cops were actually there?

Sorry, dudes a flat out cunt and should go to jail to get ass fucked but its Texas so strap him in and light him the fuck up. It's not justified at all in these circumstances.

Murk - 7-3-2008 at 03:25 PM

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Originally posted by gav
No one deserves to be killed for burglary.

i didn't say i would kill them.

Quote:

Originally posted by gav
Cool so if a friend or family member of yours came round to your house, knocked on the door, but you were out or asleep or whatever. They come round the back door and into your house, pick up a bag and walks through into your living room.

this scenario would never happen.

Quote:

Originally posted by gav
Shooting and killing people in your house will never be justifiable.

sorry, but i can't justify playing the victim.

DAK - 7-3-2008 at 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by mattybar
"don't mess with texas"

You better fucking believe. :singing:

upyerbum - 7-3-2008 at 03:42 PM

Two words. Rock Salt.

Furly - 7-3-2008 at 03:46 PM

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Originally posted by xChino_Martinezx
it could have been something like this:

Moe: Uh, hi, I?m Moe S.

Crowd: Hi, Moe!

Moe: Yeah, so last night I was closing up the bar, when some young punk comes in and tries to stick me up. [the crowd gasps]

Sideshow Mel: Whatever did you do, Moe?

Moe: Well, it coulda been a real ugly situation, but, I managed to shoot him in the spine. Yeah. I guess the next place he robs better have a ramp!

Good stuff!

gavin - 7-3-2008 at 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by gav

Quote:

Shooting and killing people in your house will never be justifiable.

WHAT!?
what planet do you live on cuz i wanna move there where its all fine and dandy for someone to come in your home and do god knows what.

i have 3 kids
i find someone in my home, i swear to whatever god any of youz believe in, he better kill me because im gonna do my best to end his life.
period,
no excusses.
no nothing.
someone entering a home uninvited is a threat.
period.
and i for one take threats to my familys well being seriously.
seriously enough to do what needs be done.

JawnDiablo - 7-3-2008 at 04:24 PM

TCOB

gavin - 7-3-2008 at 04:25 PM

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Originally posted by juandiablo
TCOB

indeed brother
indeed

JawnDiablo - 7-3-2008 at 04:27 PM

I hate living near Phailadelphia anymore.....

BDx13 - 7-3-2008 at 04:29 PM

sorry, i got my shooters mixed up.

joe horn was the guy in texas.
the cops were in front of his house when he shot the two men.
http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl?id=2007_447973...

john white is the man in long island that shot the teenager.
i'm not sure what the current status is with that case, but here's a link:
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/ny-johnwhite-trial-sg,0,33...

gavin - 7-3-2008 at 04:32 PM

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Originally posted by juandiablo
I hate living near Phailadelphia anymore.....

thats why im out holmes
soon soon soon

BDx13 - 7-3-2008 at 05:01 PM

so first off, i think this is a good conversation. but it's kind of going in different directions and people are arguing different points. there is very much a difference between what joe horn did and protecting your property.

personally, i believe...

- that if someone breaks into your house, you should have the right to defend your family and property however possible. regardless of whether their intention is to rob, kidnap, assault, or kill and regardless if they're armed or not; they initiated the scenario by entering your home, you should be able to defend yourself without fear of repercussion.

- defending a neighbor's property - while all well and good in theory (who doesn't want to back their homies?) - is best left to law enforcement. you have no idea what you're up against and you are not in immediate physical danger - why put yourself in a position where you are? get a good description and call 911. if they come for you, then shoot 'em.

- joe horn knew the specific details of the Texas law and as witnessed by his 911 call (listen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7jqLie6-Y0 ) fully intended to shoot those people as soon as he was within legal bounds to do so. he wasn't in danger. they weren't coming after him. at best, they were walking across his yard. but the law says you can defend your property, so he waited until they were on his property and he went outside and shot them.

JUICE MAYNE MSHC - 7-3-2008 at 05:18 PM

I'm with Mr Mr Bad Vibes on this. Will blast.

Also, when I was about 12 our house got robbed and a bunch of shit that belonged to my dad, who died when I was 7, was stolen. I'd much rather have seen the robbers laid out in the yard dead thanks to a neighbor than have everything that belonged to my dad gone forever. That's just me.

bombidol - 7-3-2008 at 06:44 PM

the way I look at it is that the dude was in the wrong for going looking for trouble. the cops were there and looking after shit, he went Rambo and went after them with his gun. You are a legally allowed to own a gun then you are within your rights to have one. If the law agrees that you can defend yourself and your property then again you have that right.
This is different in that he went looking for trouble, he was in the wrong. If the debate is if you SHOULD engage someone in your OWN home then its a personal choice. Theres no right or wrong. I have a baseball bat beside my bed and there are multiple guns in my home in a gun safe. There are children in my house as well as able bodied adults. Believe me when I tell you that if someone broke into my house with my nieces in bed they would get shot if I can get to a gun, simple as that. As to if I would kill them? No idea, chances are I'd be freaking out and just shooting but I would identify who was in the house at least so I wouldn't be shooting someone who was just up for a piss.
A burglar is one thing but who knows? How many news stories do you read about women raped by prowlers or old folk killed in their beds by em? I wouldn't take the chance personally, I don't want to kill anyone but if someone enters someones home illegally or against someones will you run the risk of some hard shit going down.

BKT - 7-3-2008 at 10:36 PM

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Originally posted by gav

Quote:

Originally posted by metal mulisha

Fuck those scumbags that is great what that guy did. People who steal from your home deserve to be shot in the fucking face.

Go let your heart bleed somewhere else you fucking faggot. You want to break the law and steal from people who work hard and provide for their families then you deserve to be killed.

Piss off you fucking cunt.

By the way do you have any idea what the word ironic means?

MM.

mattybar - 7-4-2008 at 04:41 AM

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Originally posted by bombidol...there are multiple guns in my home in a gun safe....

damn!
is that legal? (serious question)

bombidol - 7-4-2008 at 05:26 AM

Yup. Not hand guns mind you.

gav - 7-4-2008 at 05:29 AM

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Originally posted by metal mulisha

Go let your heart bleed somewhere else you fucking faggot. You want to break the law and steal from people who work hard and provide for their families then you deserve to be killed.

Piss off you fucking cunt.

By the way do you have any idea what the word ironic means?

MM.

Don't need to get angry just because you don't understand.

call me a faggot, nice. So just because I don't think you should be allowed to kill people makes me Gay. Very clever.

But seriously.

Are people arguing that for anyone suspected of breaking and entering into someones home, the sentence is death with no trial?

What about other crimes, like Heroin dealers? These guys provide drugs that a lot of kids end up fucking up their lives on. Death sentence to these people with no trial too.

Or how about someone who stole a car or truck?

What about someone dealing weed?

Or someone just posessing weed.

or some kid who steals a can of coke.

gav - 7-4-2008 at 05:31 AM

On second thoughts.

After re-reading this thread, I think I am clearly in the wrong place.

Mods feel free to delete my account and posts.

Skinny P - 7-4-2008 at 06:22 AM

I know I'm coming in late here and probably not saying anything new but here's my personal opinion.
If I found someone sneaking around my home, someone who obviously wasn't supposed to be there, they would be in trouble. I'm not being a "hard man" here, but I firmly believe in not allowing intruders to just walk around your property unmolested. Now some people may say "but a tv and dvd player aren't worth the risk of you getting hurt". Well that's true so it's up to the individual to weigh up the risks involved and act accordingly. Personally in such a situation, I would fuck someone up. For a few reasons.
1 - if you let this person get away unharmed it sends out the wrong message. They may come back. You have just advertised yourself as an easy target.
2 - you don't know this persons intentions. They could be just stealing shit. But what if they're up to something more sinister than that. Murder? Rape? Kidnapping children. I for one would be unwilling to take any chances.
In my books, the welfare of friends/family/loved ones in my territory outweighs ANY rights an interloper has while breaking and entering.

JawnDiablo - 7-4-2008 at 06:48 AM

even if you call the cops and wait, and they get arrested, in most cases, around here at least, they get out by morning. theres also been tons of cases where they do come back to intimidate or get revenge. it seems to happen frequently around here from what the local newspaper says..
just in the past week there has been a fuck load of home invasions involving sexual assaults in an isolated area of N Philly. might be the same perp. might not. i don't even know if they been caught yet.
i really don't want to execute someone for stealing my dvd player or sheer terror records, but after seeing the amount of sex offenders living in close proximity to me after Gavin posted that link a few months ago, I would only assume the worst if someone broke in during the wee hours.
anyway, i don't even own a gun, or a decent DVD player.
plus my cat is pretty vicious. burglars beware.

Skinny P - 7-4-2008 at 06:57 AM

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Originally posted by juandiablo
even if you call the cops and wait, and they get arrested, in most cases, around here at least, they get out by morning. theres also been tons of cases where they do come back to intimidate or get revenge. it seems to happen frequently around here from what the local newspaper says..
just in the past week there has been a fuck load of home invasions involving sexual assaults in an isolated area of N Philly. might be the same perp. might not. i don't even know if they been caught yet.
.

Yeah that's what I mean. You don't want to be second guessing a potential rapist/murderer. And the idea that they will come back to intimidate you is unbelievable. I can't help thinking "HOW FUCKING DARE THEY?". I mean seriously. My house costs me money, and I deserve, at the very fucking least, to be safe in my own fucking home. I will not take any form of bullying or intimidating in my own home which I am breaking my fucking back paying for.
So basically, if you break into my home, either be willing to kill me or get ready for hospital food.

upyerbum - 7-4-2008 at 09:53 AM

Come in my house uninvited and you are gonna' get fucked up, period. I wouldn't shoot you, but I got a hatchet. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, ie. the blunt end first. As far as shooting someone, I'm not really down with that, but we don't really have the problems with gun violence you guys face in the states. Load up a shotgun with rock salt, its non- lethal and it dissolves in the skin, its like wounding someone and rubbing salt in said wound all at the same time.

Skinny P - 7-4-2008 at 10:18 AM

I have to point out that if there were kids in my house my reaction would be more severe.

Six66Mike - 7-4-2008 at 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by BD
- that if someone breaks into your house, you should have the right to defend your family and property however possible. regardless of whether their intention is to rob, kidnap, assault, or kill and regardless if they're armed or not; they initiated the scenario by entering your home, you should be able to defend yourself without fear of repercussion.

- defending a neighbor's property - while all well and good in theory (who doesn't want to back their homies?) - is best left to law enforcement. you have no idea what you're up against and you are not in immediate physical danger - why put yourself in a position where you are? get a good description and call 911. if they come for you, then shoot 'em.

- joe horn knew the specific details of the Texas law and as witnessed by his 911 call (listen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7jqLie6-Y0 ) fully intended to shoot those people as soon as he was within legal bounds to do so. he wasn't in danger. they weren't coming after him. at best, they were walking across his yard. but the law says you can defend your property, so he waited until they were on his property and he went outside and shot them.

I agree on all 3 points. If someone comes into my house with my kids sleeping or whatever, I'm gonna grab whatever I can and smash some heads. I'd never shoot nor would I keep a gun in the house though, ever.

And spot on point 2 and 3 as well. Let the cops sort it out, especially if they're already right there! Dude just wanted an excuse to blast some dudes away and made every plead to the 911 operator to get permission to pull the trigger. when he didn't get it, he said fuck it and went out anyways.

The guy was in no danger, so any stories or comments about robbers coming at him is a load of shit, if he stayed in his house like he was told he would have never felt threatened.

bombidol's post following this one was good also, cbf'd quoting more though

BDx13 - 7-4-2008 at 01:11 PM

gav, mm - please take it easy.

skinnyp - welcome.

gavin - 7-4-2008 at 01:25 PM

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Originally posted by gav

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no one is talking about someone who is "suspected" of breaking into someones home.
we are saying if you catch someone in your home.
there is no suspectiing when you actually catch someone.

and what trial?
whats the guy gonna say if you catch him in your home that could possibly justify it?
"oh sorry, im just passing through on my way home"

come on man

BDx13 - 7-4-2008 at 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by MrBadVibes

Quote:

Originally posted by gav
But seriously.

Are people arguing that for anyone suspected of breaking and entering into someones home, the sentence is death with no trial?

What about other crimes, like Heroin dealers? These guys provide drugs that a lot of kids end up fucking up their lives on. Death sentence to these people with no trial too.

Or how about someone who stole a car or truck?

What about someone dealing weed?

Or someone just posessing weed.

or some kid who steals a can of coke.

i get gav's point - who's to say when you can and can't play the role of judge and jury? if you're gonna shoot someone in your home, why not shoot every suspected criminal you see. i understand the argument.

but i think the degree to which one is in the right to defend one's self is dependent on the immediate physical threat.

am i gonna lead pipe every drug dealer i see? no.
but if i'm assaulted while walking down the street, will i defend myself? absolutely (within reason)
similarly, if someone is in my home, i would call 911, then prepare to defend my family.

i don't know if this is still the case (and this may be what the castle laws are meant to address), but it used to be that even if someone did break into your house, and you confronted them, you couldn't defend yourself if they attempted to flee. in other words, if you shoot someone in the back, the argument can be made that the criminal was attempting to leave, thus eliminating the immediate physical threat, so you had no right to shoot. shooting in self defense was tied to the immediate physical threat.

it's kinda like what discipline was saying about not being able to shoot someone in your house who only had a knife. but this is where i start to disagree. if you're awoken in the middle of the night by the sounds of someone in your house, ALL YOU CARE ABOUT IS THE SAFETY OF YOUR KIDS. you're not assessing the criminal's arsenal and choosing the most fair and legally protected weapon with which to respond! you are protecting your family from a very immediate threat, period.

gavin - 7-4-2008 at 02:11 PM

bottom line is this..........

someone is in your house.
is anyone going to sit them down and question their intentions?
"excuse me sir, what are your intentions coming into my home uninvited?:
fuck all that.

if someone is in your home, its a threat.
and its a threat that i will do everything and anything in my ability to end as soon as possible.

there is no assumtion of guilt in these cases.
its proven guilt in and of the fact that they are in your home in the first place

DAK - 7-4-2008 at 02:19 PM

KIll Kill Kill

Skinny P - 7-4-2008 at 04:12 PM

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Originally posted by BD

skinnyp - welcome.

Cheers man.

godabandonedme - 7-5-2008 at 05:03 PM

If you decide to break into an occupied house then all bets are off. Judge an Jury? My house, my rules. But sure send em to court. Look at the 17 violent priors duechebag had that killed our Sgt. When judges will actually start doing their jobs then fine I'll just beat the balls off of the guy an send him to trial. But that's not gona happen so break in here if you like. An whoever said something about wounding someone.....sorry but it doesn't work like TV. No matter how good of a shot you are, stress, adrenaline etc. Your putting yourself in more danger trying to wound them. Remember the video on COPS of the guy that robbed the barbershop in Philly? The owner "wounded" him in the chest an back 3 or 4 times an that dude never stopped fighting.

clevohardcore - 7-5-2008 at 10:05 PM

BReaking into a house is NOT the same as stealing a can of coke on a shelf at a supermarket. Or some herione dealer or user. They are not posing a threat to anyone but themselves. I perosn breaking into a house is a threat to the safety of the occupants and must be stopped.

Six66Mike - 7-6-2008 at 12:39 AM

But these two dudes robbed an EMPTY house and were leaving when they got shot. Hardly threatening to anyone.

tireironsaint - 7-6-2008 at 12:49 AM

Sorry man, if my neighbor is out of town and motherfuckers are breaking into his house right in front of me, I'm threatened. That means my house is next or at the very least that I'm a problem to them since I'm a witness to their blatant criminal behavior. There's no way that doesn't put me in a bad spot either way and scumbags like that should be dealt with immediately.