CD collection up on eBay

random - 9-8-2008 at 11:42 PM

I haven't been around posting much. Been moving around for the last month and getting ready to move overseas in a few weeks. The CD collection is getting to be a bit much to take with me on every move, so it's up on eBay now. Starting bid might be a bit high, but it's less than $2 per CD.

Listing is up here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STR...

The listing names all 153 CDs that are included. Feel free to ask questions here or ask for more pics. I'll be happy to post them here if any of you guys are interested. :thumbup:

I may also find some extra stuff to toss if one of you buys it!

Siczine.com - 9-9-2008 at 12:41 AM

Screwdriver, Racewar? What are you a white supremacist?

random - 9-9-2008 at 12:51 AM

Nope, not at all. I think we've seen the debate over Skrewdriver on this board numerous times... some people like them, some people don't. A bunch of stuff I have came in bigger lots off things like eBay in the past, which I think is where that Race War CD came from (and even if I liked their politics, that last band is way too metal for my tastes). Funny you latch onto that stuff when there's much more outspoken anti-racist or leftist bands on there like The Oppressed, Hudson Falcons, and GC5 (who never got nearly the attention they deserved). There's also a lot of Templars albums up there... and while they were obviously influenced by Skrewdriver, it takes a pretty bad nazi to support a group with a bunch of black guys in it by buying so many of their albums.

And nobody ever seems to bring up that Todd Forkin from Starkweather and Rob Daly from The Uprise and Everyday Dollars were in an old white power band, New Glory (and yeah, that CD is on the list, too).

gavin - 9-9-2008 at 01:57 AM

i like skrewdriver up until and including hail the new dawn
i dont give a fuck what anyone thinks of that
ps......i have the new glory album on lp
pss.....who gives a fuck what todd or rob did? why bring that up?that's like the kid in school who gets in trouble for something and says "well, jimmy did it too."
i hate that shit
be a man and stand up for yourself without trying(and i do mean trying) to bring down other people.

BDx13 - 9-9-2008 at 10:50 AM

first off, thanks for buying so many thorp/sgr releases!

there are actually quite a few cds in there i'd like to have. probably 50 i want, another 30 i'd like to check out.

random, if this doesn't sell, and you're ok with breaking up the lot, lemme know and we'll see if we can work something out. i just can't justify three bills right now...or buying 20 of my own cds!

BDx13 - 9-9-2008 at 10:50 AM

also... where are ya going?

random - 9-9-2008 at 11:02 AM

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random, if this doesn't sell, and you're ok with breaking up the lot, lemme know and we'll see if we can work something out. i just can't justify three bills right now...or buying 20 of my own cds!

Yeah, I know it would be easier to get some bidders (and probably for more money) if I broke the lot up, but I'm hoping for the sake of time and convenience that I can sell it all at once. If it doesn't sell, I have no problem working something out and breaking up the lot.

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also... where are ya going?

Going to London at the end of the month to do a masters degree.

BDx13 - 9-9-2008 at 11:14 AM

yeah, you almost always get more breaking it up, but it's a HUGE hassle. 153 simultaneous ebay auctions is a headache. like i said, if it doesn't sell, i'm interested in 80 to 100 of 'em. hopefully that'll help the cause!

where are going to school in london? what's the masters in? i went to richmond college for a while in the mid 90s. not the main campus in richmond hill, but in kensington in the city. i love that town.

random - 9-9-2008 at 11:25 AM

MSc in social and cultural psychology at London School of Economics. I just got my housing set up last week, and I'll apparently be a 5 minute walk from the Liverpool St station. I have no idea where that is, but the accommodations look nice and it saves me the trouble of finding a place when I get there.

random - 9-9-2008 at 11:28 AM

And if it doesn't sell, I have no problem breaking it up - especially if you want 80-100 of them! Just let me know after the auction is over what you want, if there are no bids. I'm still waiting for the listing to show up on an eBay search. The main thing is that I have one of those larger carry-on bags that's filled up by the cds... it's ridiculous to keep lugging this thing around. Though it will be nice to offset some of the moving costs, too.

Discipline - 9-9-2008 at 12:16 PM

Some good shit on that list.

Barnesey - 9-9-2008 at 05:38 PM

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i like skrewdriver up until and including hail the new dawn
i dont give a fuck what anyone thinks of that
ps......i have the new glory album on lp
pss.....who gives a fuck what todd or rob did? why bring that up?that's like the kid in school who gets in trouble for something and says "well, jimmy did it too."
i hate that shit
be a man and stand up for yourself without trying(and i do mean trying) to bring down other people.

Shit, I'll up the ante to "After The Fire" so when "The Strong Survive" came out, that was it for me. I don't think any other band will make grown men act like a god damn knitting circle of geriatric windbags. Anyone that defines what type of person is by the music they listen to has serious fucking problems.

Discipline - 9-9-2008 at 06:28 PM

Skrewdriver did write a ton of good songs.

Siczine.com - 9-9-2008 at 07:33 PM

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Anyone that defines what type of person is by the music they listen to has serious fucking problems.

I fail to see the rationality in that. If you listen to white power music, it's more likely than not that you're racist/white supramacist in some way.

Furly - 9-9-2008 at 08:23 PM

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Anyone that defines what type of person is by the music they listen to has serious fucking problems.

I fail to see the rationality in that. If you listen to white power music, it's more likely than not that you're racist/white supramacist in some way.

I have known A LOT of people that enjoy WP music. very very few of which are actually white power.

Barnesey - 9-9-2008 at 09:10 PM

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Anyone that defines what type of person is by the music they listen to has serious fucking problems.

I fail to see the rationality in that. If you listen to white power music, it's more likely than not that you're racist/white supramacist in some way.

My rationality is that music doesn't define your belief system and characterize you as a person. None of the stuff I listen to never has and never will dictate what I believe in. It's like saying that if I listen to SHELTER, I'm Krishna. If I listen to P.E., old ICE CUBE or PARIS, I'm Black Power. If I listen to YOUTH OF TODAY, I'm SxE. If I listen to GG ALLIN or the GERMS, I'm a nihilist.

Jason the Magnificent - 9-9-2008 at 09:29 PM

You can't be all that stuff, I already am.

Fight the power.

Siczine.com - 9-9-2008 at 10:11 PM

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Anyone that defines what type of person is by the music they listen to has serious fucking problems.

I fail to see the rationality in that. If you listen to white power music, it's more likely than not that you're racist/white supramacist in some way.

It's a fine line.

Music in way way or another shapes who you are. Most people on this board dress/act differently from those who listen to "radio" music. A lot of people on this board I will bet dress differently than the average person. Whether it's having tattoos that symbolize the music that listen to, the band shirts you wear or the doc martins that you wear. To say that music has no bearing on who you are as a person is a bit asinine.

Barnesey - 9-9-2008 at 10:33 PM

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Anyone that defines what type of person is by the music they listen to has serious fucking problems.

I fail to see the rationality in that. If you listen to white power music, it's more likely than not that you're racist/white supramacist in some way.

I never said it has no bearing on anyone's outlook on life but to say that because I listen to a certain band makes me adhere to their politics 100%, is asinine. You're taking something I said and following into a different argument altogether. Punk Rock is a little broader than all the different sub groups/subcultures.

Siczine.com - 9-9-2008 at 11:16 PM

Listening to straight edge though you are substance user is one thing. Even if you drink or smoke, you can still appreciate the ideals behind sxe (at least many can), if you listen a christian/krishna band, even though you don't agree with the beliefs, it still "preaches" something of more subsistence than a group that promotes ethnic/racial superiority.

"None of the stuff I listen to never has and never will dictate what I believe in".
But I am sure it has influenced you in one way or another.

And nowhere did I say 100%. But if you listen to a white power band, obviously you share SOME of the ideals or agree with a fair amount of what they have to say. I can't see why a person that isn't racist or prejudice would listen to a racist band because their music is that much better. It's not like Screwdriver is some groundbreaking musical act, there are bands that do the same thing or damn similar, and without the political baggage.

PS. Listening to WP music is for the fucking birds as is any music that promotes one race being superior to another.

Barnesey - 9-9-2008 at 11:28 PM

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Listening to straight edge though you are substance user is one thing. Even if you drink or smoke, you can still appreciate the ideals behind sxe (at least many can), if you listen a christian/krishna band, even though you don't agree with the beliefs, it still "preaches" something of more subsistence than a group that promotes ethnic/racial superiority.

"None of the stuff I listen to never has and never will dictate what I believe in".
But I am sure it has influenced you in one way or another.

And nowhere did I say 100%. But if you listen to a white power band, obviously you share SOME of the ideals or agree with a fair amount of what they have to say. I can't see why a person that isn't racist or prejudice would listen to a racist band because their music is that much better. It's not like Screwdriver is some groundbreaking musical act, there are bands that do the same thing or damn similar, and without the political baggage.

PS. Listening to WP music is for the fucking birds as is any music that promotes one race being superior to another.

So, you can listen to other types of music promoting a message and not subscribe to their doctrine but when listening to Skrewdriver you must believe in some things they say? Noticed you didn't even touch on Black Power rap. Who gives a fuck? You state these things like they're fact. They are your OPINION as mine is mine. I'm jamming Skrewdriver right now so I gotta go as there are Viking raids I gotta get done son. See you in Valhalla.

Siczine.com - 9-9-2008 at 11:31 PM

I think black power rap is just as stupid as white power punk.

Lucabrasi - 9-9-2008 at 11:53 PM

White Power or not, Skrewdriver fuckin sucks.

gavin - 9-10-2008 at 09:15 AM

i like skrewdiver
i like some old public enemy
i like old ice cube

obviously im a craaaaazy person since i let none of these form my opinion on anything.
i actually think for myself
imagine that
crazy i know

gavin - 9-10-2008 at 09:19 AM

if you listen a christian/krishna band, even though you don't agree with the beliefs, it still "preaches" something of more subsistence than a group that promotes ethnic/racial superiority

not to me
it's just as stupid and silly

gavin - 9-10-2008 at 09:28 AM

i actually love when these sort of discussions come up
i find it really funny how people forget that it's all opinions
and no ones is right and no ones is wrong
people are allowed to have any opinion of things they wanna have
and are allowed to interprit things like skrewdriver or wharever else they way they feel they want to
but one persons opinion is not a fact
just because you may think something is right or wrong does not make it right or wrong for everyone else
this is one of the biggest problems in the country today
people arent allowed to have an opinion on something without someone else telling them how wrong they are
live and let live people
it would be a boring place if we all thought the same

Furly - 9-10-2008 at 12:41 PM

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i actually love when these sort of discussions come up
i find it really funny how people forget that it's all opinions
and no ones is right and no ones is wrong
people are allowed to have any opinion of things they wanna have
and are allowed to interprit things like skrewdriver or wharever else they way they feel they want to
but one persons opinion is not a fact
just because you may think something is right or wrong does not make it right or wrong for everyone else
this is one of the biggest problems in the country today
people arent allowed to have an opinion on something without someone else telling them how wrong they are
live and let live people
it would be a boring place if we all thought the same

well said.

Lucabrasi - 9-10-2008 at 01:25 PM

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Everyone has an opinion and I think everyone has the right to voice there opinion as long as its done with some respect towards the other person. Moreover I cannot imagine random making this thread without thinking this kind of discussion would happen...

gavin - 9-10-2008 at 01:46 PM

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anyone CAN voice their opinion
the problem lies in some people thinking that their opinion is more valid than the next persons

personally, my sensibilities are offended when i hear that someone is a fan of shelter for example.
BUT i would never think that just because i find them highly offensive, that im any better or that im correct over someone who enjoys listening to them.
if someone gets something that i dont out of such a band, then more power to them.
just as, if i listen to skrewdriver and you dont get it, then thats the way it is.

im able to listen to certain things and not take it to heart.
i dont allow any music, or movies or any media outlet for that matter to form my opinions for me.
i like to think of myself as a free thinker who is able to make up my own mind on subjects and am able to find some entertainment in certain things i dont agree with 100%.

my horizons are pretty broad and i am willing to learn from things that i dont happen to agree with or understand and THEN form my opinion on such.

newbreedbrian - 9-10-2008 at 03:56 PM

well said geoff, and I think that just comes with age really. the older I get the more I realize things aren't always black and white (pardon the pun :smilegrin

and I don't always feel the need to be right.

Siczine.com - 9-10-2008 at 04:59 PM

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I won't argue that. But everyone at one time or another during the day, week, month, lifetime will have an "opinion" and think it is right and argue to the death about. Things like religion and politics are more opinion based than fact based but yet people will argue it like there are facts involved.

That's just how EVERYONE is conditioned, not just people in this country. The terrorist that commit suicide do so because they think their "opinion" is worth dying for. The Christians have killed countless people, over an "opinion".

gavin - 9-10-2008 at 05:20 PM

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i can only speak for myself and say my opinions are right for ME and ME only.
i dont pretend to know more than anyone else
i only know whats best for me.
therfore, my opinions are indeed right but are only right for myself.
i dont and would never think that my thoughts on things are are the be all end of of right or wrong.
that's a silly, self rightous thought process.
people in general think they are smarter than they are and think that their thoughts on things are what's best for everyone.
that's just not the case.
while i may agree with ones opinions, that does not make it the "right" opinion, since really there is no such thing.

so, bottom line, i dont and wont think that any of my opinions are right for anyone else other than myself.

if you think that you're opinon on skrewdriver or anything else is so rightous and true that it should be the rule, you are sadly misguided my frind.

Siczine.com - 9-10-2008 at 05:28 PM

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Righteous, the rule? Man, all I did was state my view/opinion, as did everyone else.

So if people don't agree or have different opinions that means they just shouldn't discuss it at all? Fuck that. I said my opinion, you didn't like it. You said you're opinion, I didn't like it. End of story.

gavin - 9-10-2008 at 05:38 PM

saying..."Screwdriver, Racewar? What are you a white supremacist?" smells to me as someone looking to down anothers opinion as opposed to say "blah...i dont dig any of that stuff"

you see the difference?

Siczine.com - 9-10-2008 at 05:41 PM

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saying..."Screwdriver, Racewar? What are you a white supremacist?" smells to me as someone looking to down anothers opinion as opposed to say "blah...i dont dig any of that stuff"

you see the difference?

I see your point and perhaps I did come off a bit argumentative.

But I will say, if someone is a racist, than yeah I don't dig any of that stuff. I think if you are a racist, you are a ignorant person. Just like how everyone on here can agree a rapist is the lowest of the low. What is so different from what I said about racism as opposed to looking down on a child rapist. Every time you put down a rapist are you not making yourself out to be "righteous"?

gavin - 9-10-2008 at 05:49 PM

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interesting point
but
someone who has fucked up views is different than someone who takes action on these views.
racism is something i strongly disagree with.
BUT i dont care if someone else is a racist.
its not my business or place to judge what someone thinks.

now a rapist has actually done an act.
there's a HUGE difference in holding an unpopular opinion and doing an act of violence on someone.

we are talking about thoughts as oppossed to actions here.

actions become another discussion all together.

Siczine.com - 9-10-2008 at 05:53 PM

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Alright then what about a person that watches child porn? They don't commit an act but in their own mind. Isn't that still something that warrants condemnation and harsh "opinions".

And a racist person usually acts out their racism to others, so it affects others. I don't know, if a black person called me a cracker, their racism interferes with me. And then you have those extreme racists that commit hate crimes.

Mark Lind - 9-10-2008 at 06:01 PM

I'm gonna take the bait on this one......

Only in punk rock is something like this acceptable. Think about it...... why is it ok to be into the racist stuff as long as it's set to music? You can't get away with it in any other environment. You can't tell racist jokes around the water cooler at work and then say you don't really mean it. Do you know what I mean?

People can do what they want with their time. It's all the excuses and absolutions that go along with it in the punk rock scene that make me chuckle.

XHonusWagnerX - 9-10-2008 at 06:19 PM

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I'm gonna take the bait on this one......

Only in punk rock is something like this acceptable. Think about it...... why is it ok to be into the racist stuff as long as it's set to music? You can't get away with it in any other environment. You can't tell racist jokes around the water cooler at work and then say you don't really mean it. Do you know what I mean?

But can you laugh at a racist joke and not be racist? I feel like I fall into that catagory. And that can be laughing at a white comedian like Artie Lange or a black comedian like Chris Rock.

Mark Lind - 9-10-2008 at 06:36 PM

I know what you mean but I don't think the comparison stands up. Those people are comedians..... they're trying to make you laugh. Skrewdriver isn't trying to make you laugh although some of it is pretty hilarious.

SS76 - 9-10-2008 at 07:28 PM

I'm no racist, but the jokes are always funny. Where do white supremacists keep their life savings? In a 401kkk account. (from this month's Hustler) Personally, I could give a fuck less what the singer says; I'd take most of my favorite shit in instrumental form if I could. I've never even heard a Skrewdriver song either so I can't comment on that.

gavin - 9-10-2008 at 07:45 PM

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im making no excusses for anything i like.
i like what i like.
again, i am able to get entertainment value out of things that i dont agree with.
another example is the dwarves.
they have songs about drug use.
i have never used drugs in my life(besides smoking weed like 3 times when i was in my early 20s)
but that dosent mean i cant listen to it because i dont do it.
i listen to alot of jah loving, pot smoking reggae music.
am i a pot smoking jah loving rasta guy?
no.

i have used this example on here before but....
there are death metal bands that sing about all kinds of crazyness.
do i like it?
no.
do i judge someone who listens to it?
no.
do i think that just because someone gets some enjoyment out of these types of bands that they do or believe everything or anything that these bands say?
certainly not.
someone can listen to rap music that talks about shooting people in the head(myself included)
does that mean that every person listening to these songs is a gang bangin head shootin dude?
nope. again, it means nothing other than the fact that they enjoy listening to it.

so, do all these people have to make excusses for enjoying these types of music?
or is it just the fact that skrewdriver rubs you so wrong that you feel anyone who enjoys them is making "excusses"?

gavin - 9-10-2008 at 07:51 PM

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watching child porn is still an action.
its kinda tough to compare the 2.

lets say someone is really anti-gay, like alot of rap music over time has been.
do i agree with that?
fuck no.
my father is gay.
BUT...can i listen to something that uses the word faggot and get some entertainment out of it?
yes i can.

there's nothing wrong with having an opinion on something no matter how fucked up that opinion may seem to be to others.
im about as anti-racist and anti-homophobic as it gets.
BUT people have the right to think what they want about it.

when these people ACT on these thoughts or opinions, THATS when it becoames a different ballgame.

XHonusWagnerX - 9-10-2008 at 08:18 PM

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I know what you mean but I don't think the comparison stands up. Those people are comedians..... they're trying to make you laugh. Skrewdriver isn't trying to make you laugh although some of it is pretty hilarious.

yeah... thats true. I didnt really think of it from that side.

Mark Lind - 9-10-2008 at 10:15 PM

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There's always a disclaimer is all I'm saying "I'm not racist but I loooove me some Skrewdriver" or something like that. Maybe YOU don't do that but 9 out of every 10 people I've ever met that like that band do. And that's fine.... they can do what they want with their time. I'm just pointing out that there seems to be some weird exception in punk rock where this is ok where it isn't accepted elsewhere in society. Like I said, what makes it ok? The fact that it's set to music?

Well whatever. No sweat off my sack. Just something to think about is all.

gavin - 9-10-2008 at 11:24 PM

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what makes it ok?
i dunno really
the same thing that makes chopping up women in death metal songs or shooting people up in rap songs ok i guess.

as far as skrewdriver goes i see it like this.......
it's one guys opinion about england and english politics at the time. i dont pretend to understand it since i wasnt there. but it's an expression of frustration and anger, while different than the way i or you may have thought about it, it's very genuine.
the same way as all those ice cube songs from the early 90s about the koreans in black neighborhoods. i dont undertand that either since again i wasnt there. but again, i see it as a genuine expression of anger and frustration. and again i personally dont agree with it but i can resepect the honest feelings put behind it.

defstarsteve - 9-11-2008 at 12:20 AM

my wife buys weed from ice cube...
life is odd

gavin - 9-11-2008 at 12:25 AM

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my wife buys weed from ice cube...
life is odd

what?!?!
seriously???

defstarsteve - 9-11-2008 at 12:50 AM

my wife is good friends with cube's father in law....
and cube has his own strain of high end designer called o.g. coosh...

they invited my wife to come to a dodgers game and chill in cubes box...

LA is fucking weird

clevohardcore - 9-11-2008 at 10:09 AM

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my wife is good friends with cube's father in law....
and cube has his own strain of high end designer called o.g. coosh...

they invited my wife to come to a dodgers game and chill in cubes box...

LA is fucking weird

^^^^^^^^^ AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I would be cool to kick it with Ice Cube. AMeriKKKas most wanted was a kick ass album.