Will you be watching? I will, but supposedly this will be the least watched series ever. Each team deserves to be here and it should be a great
series.XHonusWagnerX - 10-20-2008 at 10:27 AM
I dont really care about either team... I like the Phillies because they are an old time team, but Roco Baldelli from the Rays is from Woonsocket, RI
and his Uncle was the mayor and a good friend of my grandfather so I'm torn.Jason the Magnificent - 10-20-2008 at 10:34 AM
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Will you be watching? I will, but supposedly this will be the least watched series ever. Each team deserves to be here and it should be a great
series.
They say that every year that NY or Boston isn't in the series, its E.astern S.eaboard P.ropoganda N.etwork BS.JawnDiablo - 10-20-2008 at 10:42 AM
I will be watching.
With beer.CR83 - 10-20-2008 at 10:47 AM
I won't watch. Baseball just doesn't do anything for me. I want the Phillies to win though. Fuck any team in FLA.Siczine.com - 10-20-2008 at 12:30 PM
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I will be watching.
With beer.
DaveMoral - 10-20-2008 at 03:01 PM
I probably won't watch, because televized sports bores me. But I for the Phils. I lived there for 7 years, they are "my team."MarkV - 10-20-2008 at 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by clevohardcore
Will you be watching? I will, but supposedly this will be the least watched series ever. Each team deserves to be here and it should be a great
series.
Ratings will probably be awful. Neither city is really a big market; Fox must be totally bummed.Siczine.com - 10-20-2008 at 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by MarkV
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Originally posted by clevohardcore
Will you be watching? I will, but supposedly this will be the least watched series ever. Each team deserves to be here and it should be a great
series.
Ratings will probably be awful. Neither city is really a big market; Fox must be totally bummed.
I would say Philly is a big market.MarkV - 10-20-2008 at 04:42 PM
Philly's actually the 4th largest, behind NYC, LA and Chicago; it's actually larger than Boston, but the Sox pull much bigger ratings.
I'm looking for a breakdown of markets by sports ratings.MarkV - 10-20-2008 at 04:44 PM
Originally posted by MarkV
Philly's actually the 4th largest, behind NYC, LA and Chicago; it's actually larger than Boston, but the Sox pull much bigger ratings.
I'm looking for a breakdown of markets by sports ratings.
How do you know that the Sox pull bigger ratings?MarkV - 10-20-2008 at 05:03 PM
Than the Phillies?!?!
They've won 2 titles in 4 years, been in the ALCS in 03,04,07 and 08. The Sox are one of the hottest sports' properties in the world right now, from a
media and a merchandising angle.
When a team gets hot like that, the nation takes notice. Look at the pats over the past 8 years or so. Same thing.Siczine.com - 10-20-2008 at 05:22 PM
Yes!!! The Phillies!!!
They are a smaller market than Philadelphia and even with their success, they are not like the Cowboys in the NFL where they have a ton of fans
outside of their market. For the Phillies you have fans in much of eastern PA, most of NJ (esp. s. Jersey) as well as Delaware. And the Phillies
have been in top five, top ten in attendance even over the last 14 seasons when they haven't made the playoffs. It is not as lopsided as you think
So your statement about the ratings being awful is because of the Rays and their fair weathered fans, not the Phillies. Unlike Boston, who has been
spoiled, Philly fans are dying for a world champ.MarkV - 10-20-2008 at 05:40 PM
"they are not like the Cowboys in the NFL where they have a ton of fans outside of their market."
Huh??? First off, most of New England, outside of certain areas in CT, are all Sox fans. Portland ME and Pawtucket RI both have Sox minor league teams
and are definitely, "Sox Country." Boston's a 4 hour drive to the next MLB team, NY. Philly's, what, within a 3 hour drive to Washington, Baltimore, 2
NYC teams and Pittsburgh? Second, I believe the Sox are the top selling merchandise team in the US right now. There's been tons of articles in the
past few years about not being able to go to other cities without finding a lot of sox fans. (There was a very popular interview with Hank
Steinbrenner earlier this year regarding this.) Partially due to lots of people relocating from NE and partially due to the HUGE college student
influx who come to Boston for 4-6 years and then move on. Lots of those kids, esp in the past 5 years have adopted the Sox. I know out here in LA, not
only were there a lot of people wearing Sox shit at games all season, but there's 4-5 "Red Sox bars" in LA county that are PACKED during Sox and Pats'
games.
Plus, throw in the Dice K factor, and the Sox current popularity in Japan.
If I get a chance later on, I'll try to pull actual Neilson ratings for Phillies national games vs Sox games.
Before 03 or so, I'd have said the teams had pretty similar fanbases. Now, no way.Siczine.com - 10-20-2008 at 06:33 PM
I don't see much Sox fans from where I've been enough to make an assessment (much of PA, NJ, DE). And CT, ME, RI combined don't have a population
more than PA.
Phillies have had more fans come out to their games, though Fenway is smaller than CPB, but the Phillies have a larger population in the surrounding
area. The only way that the Sox would have noticeably higher TV ratings would be by their national fans. And I see more Yankees merch and hats
around and on TV than I see Red Sox hats. But you seem to think the Sox have it by a large margin.
"Second, I believe the Sox are the top selling merchandise team in the US right now."
I do not believe that for a second. It has to be the Yankees.
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Ratings will probably be awful. Neither city is really a big market; Fox must be totally bummed.
Philadelphia will carry the ratings.MarkV - 10-20-2008 at 06:56 PM
I'm a life long yankees' fan, and the Sox have definitely given them a BIG TIME run for their money in the past 5 years. I'd like to think it's the
Yankees, but it's definitely real close. The Yankees, much like the Cowboys you sited, are a team that's synonymous with, not only baseball itself,
but America.
PA is 12.5 million. NE is 9.5. But, my point was, that a LARGE majority of that 9.5 are sox fans. PA has 2 MLB teams, plus, the proximity to the other
teams I mentioned.
Plus, there's no way you could prove to me that on 10/20/08, there are more Phillies' fans in the US than Sox fans. Not at all.
I'm glad you're confident that Philly will carry the ratings, since all the national experts (both sports and media) are predicting the worst ratings
in recent history.MarkV - 10-20-2008 at 07:00 PM
Just out of curiosity, would you make the same argument for the Eagles over the Pats? Or even Sixers over the Celtics?MikeCore - 10-20-2008 at 07:43 PM
Two words:
GO PHILLIES Siczine.com - 10-20-2008 at 07:52 PM
Eagles over the long time, absolutely. Patriots over the last the five years have the edge but Eagles fans are rabid and follow the team more
loyally during the down years than the Patriots. Boston has always been more of a baseball town than a football town.
Celtics are one of the most storied franchises, so is Philly but Celtics win in a landslide.
Flyers and the Redwings have the two most hardcore fanbases.
And yeah, over the last couple of years the Sox have been the leading baseball team in the league but I was just pointing out that the Phillies aren't
that far behind the Sox.jsinn - 10-20-2008 at 08:34 PM
phillies...
spent my formative years learning skateboarding at Love Park, City Hall, Penns Landing, and South Street with the Spikes Skates crew...
and spent even more time sneaking down to Philly for shows either on the SEPTA or in cars packed with too many people...
and...when's the last time Philly won a championship in anything???
PHILLIES!!!!JawnDiablo - 10-21-2008 at 06:25 AM
3 generations of Phillies fans in my family are dying for a world sereis victory.
28 years is a long time.
pops is 73 and I'd like to se him see another.
junior is 11 and hasn't seen anything great happen in this city.
we want this.MikeCore - 10-21-2008 at 02:28 PM
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phillies...
spent my formative years learning skateboarding at Love Park, City Hall, Penns Landing, and South Street with the Spikes Skates crew...
and spent even more time sneaking down to Philly for shows either on the SEPTA or in cars packed with too many people...
Wow, we might be twins I didn't hang out with the Spikes Skates
crew but did my fair share of Love Park/City Hall and South Street. PATCO was my Saviour...LOL.godabandonedme - 10-21-2008 at 02:36 PM
Phils are going to wreck shit. Awsome. New Welch Boys AND a championship? Good stuff.
I didn't hang out with the Spikes Skates
crew but did my fair share of Love Park/City Hall and South Street. PATCO was my Saviour...LOL.