OBAMA is our 44th president.

clevohardcore - 11-5-2008 at 12:32 AM

That was an ass kicking that McCain just took. Thanks to George DOUCHEBAG Bush.

Man I hope this "change" really is for the better.

Siczine.com - 11-5-2008 at 12:45 AM

At least their is hope for change with Obama.

MarkV - 11-5-2008 at 12:51 AM

It's funny: McCain's weakness with Republicans as a whole was he sided too often with moderates and democrats.

His weakness with Dems here was that he was "more of the same" of a guy he hated for most of his time working with him and vice versa.

defstarsteve - 11-5-2008 at 12:55 AM

yippee for not having to leave the country...

Murk - 11-5-2008 at 12:57 AM

damn!

i didn't see a SMACKDOWN comin'.

DaveMoral - 11-5-2008 at 12:59 AM

God I hope things really change. Especially foreign policy wise. That should be the major focus of at least half the firs term... repairing the bullshit the Bush administration broke internationally.

Voodoobillyman - 11-5-2008 at 01:30 AM

Good victory speech

defstarsteve - 11-5-2008 at 01:39 AM

I seriously hopes he keeps talking.
fireside speeches once a week to keep the people informed with what they are working on.
I think it would do the people well to feel like they are actually still involved.

BDx13 - 11-5-2008 at 01:51 AM

all politics aside, it is blowin my mind that this country has elected an african american as president.

defstarsteve - 11-5-2008 at 02:19 AM

now if they would just leave abortion and gay marriage alone we might have a progressive damn country

MarkV - 11-5-2008 at 02:24 AM

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I seriously hopes he keeps talking.
fireside speeches once a week to keep the people informed with what they are working on.
I think it would do the people well to feel like they are actually still involved.

Those happened preTV. We have news stations, the internet, etc etc. The president probably gets more airtime now, spread throughout the week, than they did during the "fireside speeches."

MarkV - 11-5-2008 at 02:25 AM

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God I hope things really change. Especially foreign policy wise. That should be the major focus of at least half the firs term... repairing the bullshit the Bush administration broke internationally.

Obviously, Iraq and Afghanistan are priorities, but aside from that, I disagree. Get cracking on domestic issues, first.

REV.PAULIE - 11-5-2008 at 06:49 AM

HE DOESN'T HAVE A MAGIC WAND TO MAKE ALL THE BAD STUFF GO AWAY...

BUT,HE DOES HAVE "PLANS" AND "IDEAS" AS TO HELP ALLEVIATE THESE CANKERS ON OUR COLLECTIVE LIPS.

BUT - AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ACCENTUATE "BUT" ON THIS BOARD (OR ANY) - IT'S ALL UP TO US.

WE GOT CHANGE.

NOW,WHAT DO WE (THAT SHOULD BE IN BIG LETTERS) DO WITH IT?

BRUTHA'S GOT MY SUPPORT...BUT,BRUTHA'S GOTTA HEAR MY PLEA,TOO...

AND,YOU?

REV.PB

Six66Mike - 11-5-2008 at 07:24 AM

Best clip on the news this morning was a woman coming out of the polling station and said something along the lines of

"last time someone declared it was time for a change we had Hitler"

Seriously said that, Obama was equated to being Hitler...or atleast the threat of his changes. Guess she voted for McCain.

Dave - 11-5-2008 at 09:04 AM

we were talking about this last night, not to be a douche or anything but.....how long until you think the first assassination attempt is held on obama?

you know there are some nut bags out there who are going to try......because they just aren't "all right" with a black president....

our bet was within the first month.....i hope that we are wrong.

joemaconmovies - 11-5-2008 at 09:11 AM

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we were talking about this last night, not to be a douche or anything but.....how long until you think the first assassination attempt is held on obama?

you know there are some nut bags out there who are going to try......because they just aren't "all right" with a black president....

our bet was within the first month.....i hope that we are wrong.

after thinking about it more, it's a real possibility. i hope you and i are both wrong dave, but it's a possibility. hopefully whoever does try is too stupid and gets caught very early on before they can hurt anyone.

joemaconmovies - 11-5-2008 at 09:15 AM

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It's funny: McCain's weakness with Republicans as a whole was he sided too often with moderates and democrats.

His weakness with Dems here was that he was "more of the same" of a guy he hated for most of his time working with him and vice versa.

i saw an ad where it was mccain in the flesh, or tv flesh, saying that 90% of the time he vote with bush. if that's the case, obviously he wasn't that diff. from bush

SS76 - 11-5-2008 at 09:51 AM

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Good victory speech

Dave - 11-5-2008 at 09:57 AM

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agreed

BDx13 - 11-5-2008 at 11:10 AM

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Good victory speech

good concession speech as well.
and i don't say that to be a dick.
generally, i like john mccain ok.
but the real john mccain, not the john mccain that republican handlers molded for this candidacy.
last night's speech was the most genuine and gracious thing the guy has said in months.
no division, no insinuations, no fear mongering.

joemaconmovies - 11-5-2008 at 11:13 AM

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Good victory speech

i agree.

Voodoobillyman - 11-5-2008 at 11:26 AM

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Obviously, Iraq and Afghanistan are priorities, but aside from that, I disagree. Get cracking on domestic issues, first.

Speaking from a somewhat educated view on what is really occuring day to day in the aformentioned countries, I must say I agree with both of these statements to a degree. I think the economy is the primary focus right now, but these wars CAN NOT be ignored (especially Afghanistan) right now. We are at a crucial point in Iraq as well and leaving too soon would be a slap in the face to everyone I served with over there and all who came before and after me. We (the military) have worked to goddamn hard and sacrificed way too much to have it all tossed out by an idealist fishing for votes from an instant gratification based society. With that said, I like alot of what President elect Obama has to say and I will serve him with as much honor as I have served all my Commanders in Chief, I just hope some of what he said about Iraq in particular in the past was a bit of lip service. I look foward to more political pressure on the Iraqi government, they need a swift kick in the ass to get them moving, and I do think Afghanistan should be the focus as far as this war goes, it always should have been. I could go on and on, history was written last night and I, like alot of others in this great country, am excited about the futures prospects. Today is not a day for cynics, save it for when it is called for. Oh, and to all who thought the system would be rigged and never allow the underdog the chance..........you were and still are wrong.

ShawnRefuse - 11-5-2008 at 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by REV.PAULIE
HE DOESN'T HAVE A MAGIC WAND TO MAKE ALL THE BAD STUFF GO AWAY...

BUT,HE DOES HAVE "PLANS" AND "IDEAS" AS TO HELP ALLEVIATE THESE CANKERS ON OUR COLLECTIVE LIPS.

BUT - AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ACCENTUATE "BUT" ON THIS BOARD (OR ANY) - IT'S ALL UP TO US.

WE GOT CHANGE.

NOW,WHAT DO WE (THAT SHOULD BE IN BIG LETTERS) DO WITH IT?

BRUTHA'S GOT MY SUPPORT...BUT,BRUTHA'S GOTTA HEAR MY PLEA,TOO...

AND,YOU?

REV.PB

Just about says it all. I am hoping, but not optimistic that the people of America will care about this next week now that the elections are over. This generation is made of the most lazy people and most selfish. Thinking that "we elected change, now it's their problem. I did my part". Keep on it if you really want change.

Voodoobillyman - 11-5-2008 at 01:23 PM

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could not agree more with all of this. The statement about electing change and now it's their problem sums up what I perceive the American mindset to be these days for the most part. It IS up to US to make this change happen. One of the main differences between our government and all the others that existed before it was the notion of less governing involvement in processes, more poeple, less government. Let's get back to that.

REV.PAULIE - 11-5-2008 at 01:34 PM

What i'm not looking forward to -but,was startimg to feel last night - is the "favorite band" bullshit.

your favorite band all of a sudden gets popular...every jerk-off and their sister is wearing their t-shirts and singing their songs...

leaving you and a few elitist stalwarts all pissed off with the whole "I SAW THEM AT CBGB WITH 10 OTHER PEOPLE...FUCK THEM! THE DEMO WAS WAAAY BETTER THAN THE NEW ALBUM....THEY SOLD OUT,MAN..".

just a feeling...

rev.pb

MarkV - 11-5-2008 at 04:30 PM

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i saw an ad where it was mccain in the flesh, or tv flesh, saying that 90% of the time he vote with bush. if that's the case, obviously he wasn't that diff. from bush

Missed my point, huh?

Siczine.com - 11-5-2008 at 05:51 PM

How did he miss your point? You said his weakness was that he sides with the Dems and moderates more than his own party. Joe said that was the opposite.

random - 11-5-2008 at 06:00 PM

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How did he miss your point? You said his weakness was that he sides with the Dems and moderates more than his own party. Joe said that was the opposite.

His point was that McCain's weakness is that every side hates him because they thinks he too much like "the other side". Dems think he's too conservative. Conservatives think he's too moderate/liberal. So everyone hates him.

Siczine.com - 11-5-2008 at 06:03 PM

I got that.

I can't speak on Joe's behalf but it seemed like he was just saying McCain's party perceived weaknesses were unfounded if McCain indeed voted with his party 90% of the time, which he did say.

He was merely presenting a "fact" to counter Mark's witty observation.

DaveMoral - 11-5-2008 at 11:50 PM

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Obviously, Iraq and Afghanistan are priorities, but aside from that, I disagree. Get cracking on domestic issues, first.

I tell you what I'd really like to see... more of the proverbial carrots being offered up instead of threatening everyone wit the big fucking stick. And I hope Obama really has the courage to do that instead of feeling like he's got to live up to this tough guy American image. Everyone knows we could nuke the world and any single country that pissed off enough into oblivion with the push of a button... it's time we let those little guys with axes to grind with us not feel like they are being held hostage and get to do some talking.

Diplomacy is not weakness.

MarkV - 11-6-2008 at 01:29 AM

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I got that.

I can't speak on Joe's behalf but it seemed like he was just saying McCain's party perceived weaknesses were unfounded if McCain indeed voted with his party 90% of the time, which he did say.

He was merely presenting a "fact" to counter Mark's witty observation.

Actually, I've been following McCain very closely for about 15 years. I voted for him in 2000. In the Bush administration, he voted closely along the Bush lines. Previous to that, he was almost despised by a large amount of the party for being too moderate and siding with the Dems. His best friend on Capital Hill is Joe Lieberman, a democrat. (Granted, a conservative dem, but a dem none the less.) He was also McCain's personal choice for VP and needless to say, the party shot that down. There was a story a few years back when Obama was first elected. He wrote Obama a letter essentially saying how excited he was to work with him, etc. Obama basically said he wasn't really interested in compromising his ideals with Republicans. McCain's past seriously hurt him with the party and he's been looked at as a black sheep ever since, even when towing the Bush line. And, in fact, a large portion of the party (esp the far right) don't like Bush anymore, either, so his more recent alliance with Bush has damaged him with those people (the people that backed Huckabee, Romney, etc). Not to mention damaging his rep with dems.

MarkV - 11-6-2008 at 01:31 AM

Also, it was pretty well documented that Bush and McCain didn't like each other, even though McCain was voting with Bush in recent years.

Voodoobillyman - 11-6-2008 at 01:19 PM

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Obviously, Iraq and Afghanistan are priorities, but aside from that, I disagree. Get cracking on domestic issues, first.

Nope, diplomacy is not weakness and it is the ONLY way we are going to be successfull now in that country. The combat portion has long been over and we have been operating in a security/rebuilding capacity for quite some time. President elect Obama needs to be firm with the Iraqi government and diplomatically leverage them into finally accepting more responsibility for themselves and their country. I am also open to the idea of negotiating with those we disagree with, it's the best way to get things done. We can not, however, allow what happend with Clinton and North Korea occur while engaging these various countries diplomatically. The American taxpayer was providing relief to N Korea under agreements they would not pursue Nuclear arms power and they were backdooring ol' Billy boy the whole time, with the end result being the testing of said weaponry a few years later. We live in interesting times pals o mine.

Voodoobillyman - 11-6-2008 at 01:23 PM

For the record, I am all for what Obama said in regards to the money being spent in Iraq while they sit on a large surplus. it is inexcusable and the current administration has done nothing about it. I just don't think he should remove the military too quickly. It needs to be a strategic shift from the one theatre to another (Afghanistan) with heavy concentration on rooting out those who are truly threatening this country.

clevohardcore - 11-6-2008 at 01:34 PM

For the record I never backed OBAMA. Hope things get better and I was wrong but well see. He is my President now and I have the same expectations as I would expect NADER or McCain to have done. For now lets get this LAME DUCK out of office.

Siczine.com - 11-6-2008 at 02:37 PM

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For the record I never backed OBAMA. Hope things get better and I was wrong but well see. He is my President now and I have the same expectations as I would expect NADER or McCain to have done. For now lets get this LAME DUCK out of office.

Out of curiosity, did you vote for Bush?

clevohardcore - 11-6-2008 at 02:48 PM

No.

Gore, Kerry.

joemaconmovies - 11-6-2008 at 03:16 PM

if you talk to mark v, even if you point out something that could prove him wrong, you are always wrong cause mark v is always right, no matter what. sorry to have pointed out a fact mark. i'll keep quiet whenever i see you're posted cause we know it's the fuckin' gospel truth. just, for a man that hated bush, you wouldn't think they'd agree so much

BDx13 - 11-6-2008 at 04:26 PM

voodoo...
are you me?
do we share a brain?
or maybe i just logged into the board with your account and sleep posted that shit.
either way...
i am on fuckin' board with your last few posts, brother.

MarkV - 11-6-2008 at 04:28 PM

Joe-
Do you have any idea what you're talking about or did you even read my post? It wouldn't take very much leg work on your part to find documents supporting all of it. I agreed with your "fact" and stated why that had hurt McCain, and then backed up my initial statement, which again, is well supported.

Voodoobillyman - 11-6-2008 at 04:34 PM

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voodoo...
are you me?
do we share a brain?
or maybe i just logged into the board with your account and sleep posted that shit.
either way...
i am on fuckin' board with your last few posts, brother.

it hurts being the man sometimes dosen't it Big D? :yes:

I will even put it out there and I never vote and tell...........I voted for Obama. I also voted for Bush both times and don't regret any of it. I love this country fiercly and believe with all of my heart and soul that it still has good going on in it. We just need to deport a few million knuckleheads to an isolated territory to live out the rest of their ignorant days without directly affecting decent thinking people. Things would be golden then.

MarkV - 11-7-2008 at 09:38 AM

From a very liberal dem on another board:

"McCain was stuck in a shitty quandry-
If he hadn't made the conscious decision to 'get on board' with Bush post-2000, he really would have had a great chance to win against Obama... as his previous positions which differed from Bush's were much closer to those of Obama, and would have neutralized them.

Sadly, for him, the GOP primaries never would have let him get that chance."

Also, there were strong rumors in 04 that Kerry was seriously considering him as running mate.

Siczine.com - 11-7-2008 at 05:56 PM

Either way, why would you want someone like McCain who flip flops to what is popular at the time? (if he would've stayed pre-2000 he may have actually won)