are you watching the inauguration?

BDx13 - 1-20-2009 at 11:03 AM

watching on cnn.com on my second machine now.
there are a LOT of motherfuckers chillin down there right now.

XHonusWagnerX - 1-20-2009 at 11:04 AM

what time does the big stuff start happening?

I didnt think of watching on the web so maybe Ill try after.

BDx13 - 1-20-2009 at 11:24 AM

there's live coverage now, but i think the actual ceremony begins at 11.

ShawnRefuse - 1-20-2009 at 11:24 AM

we are going to start watching at 12 at the office.

Enyo - 1-20-2009 at 11:56 AM

We're swamped with work, but I'm recording it off CNN

Dave - 1-20-2009 at 01:41 PM

my office stopped work for the event, very good speech. I think he's going to make a positive impact.

BKT - 1-20-2009 at 02:03 PM

Looked good to me. Just hope that he can do even half of what he wants to. I really hope this is the start of a new time in the USA. Because they need it and without a change your days are numbered.

MM.

ShawnRefuse - 1-20-2009 at 02:31 PM

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Looked good to me. Just hope that he can do even half of what he wants to. I really hope this is the start of a new time in the USA. Because they need it and without a change your days are numbered.

MM.

DaveMoral - 1-20-2009 at 03:14 PM

I watched, alot of pomp and circumstance eh?

CR83 - 1-20-2009 at 03:21 PM

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Maybe it is my age or being a parent, who knows but I am glad he took office today. As an American, I feel like we have someone who will help us unite. We have been so divided the past 8 years.

I lean more towards a liberal stance but I'm not big on handouts. I also understand there are people who need help and as a society we should stick together.

Having Obama as President seems to have given us a better sense of unity, direction and purpose. That alone gets me excited. Oh, and lower interest rates on my mortgage gets me excited ;-)

clevohardcore - 1-20-2009 at 03:44 PM

I "HOPE" this country makes a "CHANGE" for the better. Those words are starting to annoy me, but lets not sing it people, lets bring it to the table.

morgan - 1-20-2009 at 04:26 PM

Classes were canceled because of the inauguration. I couldn't sleep for shit last night so I went back to my dorm and took a nap.

Siczine.com - 1-20-2009 at 05:19 PM

Way too much religious shit for my liking.

Jason the Magnificent - 1-20-2009 at 05:25 PM

America will NEVER be rid of that crutch. Don't see how he could not gravitate back to it.

JawnDiablo - 1-20-2009 at 05:29 PM

We have no TVs in here at work.
I'm sneaking on just to get on here.
I like the guy.
And I really hope he can get the ball rolling.
But I am just tired of the media stuff I am hearing on the radio.
All I am hearing is people talking about how glad they are that they got a black guy in and they traveled 1500 miles to see him.
I do understand that this is a huge deal that the president is half black for many folks and it is a big turning point, but focus more on his message and intentions and not so much his ethnicity. I think he would be good even if he was plaid....

SS76 - 1-20-2009 at 06:06 PM

I really liked his speech. I had to scan this from an old hustler mag.

BDx13 - 1-20-2009 at 06:22 PM

fixed for ya.

Voodoobillyman - 1-20-2009 at 06:23 PM

good stuff. He meets with the Joint Chiefs first thing tomorrow morning to initiate a formal plan for the exfiltration of Iraq. Shit is real people

DaveMoral - 1-20-2009 at 08:53 PM

Good. I understand he's going to be on top of closing Guantanamo too.

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/gitmo-ad/...

Also, how hot is Rosario Dawson?

random - 1-21-2009 at 08:50 AM

I'm amazed at how many non-Americans (especially Canadians) are into the inauguration. I only caught it because a girl from Toronto was sitting beside me and had it streaming online. She was so happy that I thought she was about to cry... and also looked really nervous like she was waiting for a disaster to happen.

BKT - 1-21-2009 at 01:27 PM

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I'm amazed at how many non-Americans (especially Canadians) are into the inauguration. I only caught it because a girl from Toronto was sitting beside me and had it streaming online. She was so happy that I thought she was about to cry... and also looked really nervous like she was waiting for a disaster to happen.

Makes sense. Most things the USA are involved in turn into a disaster.

MM.

Voodoobillyman - 1-22-2009 at 02:46 PM

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Good. I understand he's going to be on top of closing Guantanamo too.

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/gitmo-ad/...

Also, how hot is Rosario Dawson?

Yup, he signed it, as well as a general shift in the way we are dealing with terrorism as a whole into law. I don't know all the details, but it looks as though the "war" classification for this conflict will go away which limits things, but may be what we need at this point. I dunno, we shall see.

DaveMoral - 1-22-2009 at 04:25 PM

It's classification as "war" was always rather sketchy anyways, what with no official declaration of war.

Discipline - 1-22-2009 at 05:02 PM

I didn't watch any of the inauguration shit because I could care less about all the glad-handing and speeches. All I care about is what he actually does in office.

I'm also waiting to see how long it takes Al Sharpton to start asking Obama for reparations. I don't think Obama would do it, but I can see Sharpton and Jesse Jackson bringing it up to keep themselves in the public eye.

JawnDiablo - 1-22-2009 at 05:26 PM

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I didn't watch any of the inauguration shit because I could care less about all the glad-handing and speeches. All I care about is what he actually does in office.

I'm also waiting to see how long it takes Al Sharpton to start asking Obama for reparations. I don't think Obama would do it, but I can see Sharpton and Jesse Jackson bringing it up to keep themselves in the public eye.

I don't think that Obama has the same values or priorities as the likes of Sharpton, or even Jackson.

MarkV - 1-22-2009 at 05:35 PM

I'm sure we'll see Sharpton camped out in from the White House sooner than later.

DaveMoral - 1-22-2009 at 06:23 PM

Like it or not, reparations should be awarded. That was part of the deal, and it was never followed through on.

Also, something should be done to rectify the situation of violating treaties with Native Americans. Give the Souix North and South Dakota and half of Wyoming in accordance with the Treaty of Ft Laramie, I say.

BDx13 - 1-22-2009 at 06:27 PM

oh boy, you're gonna get it now, dave!

(btw, what deal were reparations part of?)

DaveMoral - 1-22-2009 at 06:31 PM

40 acres and a mule BD! Part of the emancipation.

Discipline - 1-22-2009 at 06:37 PM

I don't think the taxpayers of today should be forced to pay for the injustices of the past.

MarkV - 1-22-2009 at 07:03 PM

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I don't think the taxpayers of today should be forced to pay for the injustices of the past.

I agree with that. But, if someone really wants the Dakota's and Wyoming, I'd say go ahead and take it.

random - 1-22-2009 at 07:08 PM

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I don't think the taxpayers of today should be forced to pay for the injustices of the past.

Aren't you Canadian? How about we give them Saskatchewan and you guys don't complain? :smilegrin:

Discipline - 1-22-2009 at 07:24 PM

We're keeping Saskatchewan, but they can have Nunavut.

random - 1-22-2009 at 07:26 PM

Deal!!!

Voodoobillyman - 1-22-2009 at 08:50 PM

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Originally posted by DaveMoral
Like it or not, reparations should be awarded. That was part of the deal, and it was never followed through on.

Also, something should be done to rectify the situation of violating treaties with Native Americans. Give the Souix North and South Dakota and half of Wyoming in accordance with the Treaty of Ft Laramie, I say.

Yer outta yer mind bro. I would not pay a fuckin cent for something I had nothing to do with. I DON"T GIVE A FUCK

DaveMoral - 1-22-2009 at 09:02 PM

Whatever dude. As a society we've benefitted from the enslavement of black people... and in terms of proportionality... they've not reaped the benefit that white society has.

Justice is blind. Reparations would be justice.

MarkV - 1-22-2009 at 09:44 PM

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Whatever dude. As a society we've benefitted from the enslavement of black people... and in terms of proportionality... they've not reaped the benefit that white society has.

Justice is blind. Reparations would be justice.

It's not really justice when asking descendants of "criminals" to give something up for the descendants of the victims.

Voodoobillyman - 1-23-2009 at 12:51 PM

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It's not really justice when asking descendants of "criminals" to give something up for the descendants of the victims.

My point exactly. I am not paying for someone elses mistakes. bottom line. If you feel so strongly about it, call your congressman then head out to the street and start with your own paycheck......what ?can't afford it? Neither can I.

DaveMoral - 1-23-2009 at 01:06 PM

It's the society that benefitted from the situation. Society bears a certain responsibility. Particularly when the government promised compensation and never delivered. Same deal with the breaking of treaties with the Indian tribes. It's unjust that the descendents of the usurpers of lands that were supposed to be part of reservations by legally binding treaty continue to benefit from possession of those lands while the tribes currently living on the small fraction of the agreed upon reservation lands are harmed by the situation.

BKT - 1-23-2009 at 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by DaveMoral
It's the society that benefitted from the situation. Society bears a certain responsibility. Particularly when the government promised compensation and never delivered. Same deal with the breaking of treaties with the Indian tribes. It's unjust that the descendents of the usurpers of lands that were supposed to be part of reservations by legally binding treaty continue to benefit from possession of those lands while the tribes currently living on the small fraction of the agreed upon reservation lands are harmed by the situation.

Business is business and that is what all that was. Lots of unjust things go on in the business world and people lose their lively hood and it is not fair. None the less people move on pick up the pieces and star over. Things were ruthless back then and times have indeed changed. There are enough problems facing the world today that we need not drag up old injustices from the past. I make no apology what so ever for what my ancestors might have done, it was not me that did it and it was not you that it was done to. Get over it, move on and focus on the future.

MM.

Voodoobillyman - 1-23-2009 at 07:30 PM

People seriously need to stop focusing on "what is owed them" based on something that happend before they were even thought of and focus on making things better for the next generation. My dad imparted some of the wisest and most simple words to me " A mans purpose in life is to make things better for those who depend on him, than they were for him growing up." If people are looking for hand outs, keep the fuck away from me. I don't apologize for that and like MM said, i don't apologize for something I had nothing to do with and really don't feel I benefited from. I grew up lower middle class in New England, poor and cold.

MarkV - 1-23-2009 at 08:35 PM

Dave- I see what you're saying, and agree to some extent, but I agree with MM and Voodoo. While we as a society have benefitted, it ain't my beef. Pretty much all of us have had ancestors who've been screwed. (Italians, Jews, Irish, Asians, Hispanic, etc).
Too many people make excuses for why shit is the way it is, and not enough people do anything about it.

DaveMoral - 1-24-2009 at 05:56 AM

Well, I personally don't see the point of monetary reparations to individuals. But our government and society would be best served by focusing attention on downtrodden communities and working to uplift them in cooperation with local groups. It's damn foolish to leave shit the way it is and consider ourselves and just society. Black and latino communities are afflicted with shit schools and don't get any funding. Education should be the first fucking thing on our minds there. Giving people the tools to help themselves is crucial. The only time white people are interested in improving living conditions in neighborhoods of broke people is when we are interested in taking the shit over and pushing people out. N Portland is a perfect example. Same with the Lower East Side in NYC, buncha trendy fucks come in and build it up and leave the poor people up shit creek without a paddle.

Also, "business is business" is a bullshit mentality and fuck alla that. Labor unions came into existence because folks were pissed over the shit working conditions they had and alot of shit we take for granted NOW came into being because of labor unions. 40 hour work weeks is one of those many things we take for granted. Same with child labor and exploitative work conditions. "Business is business" is what allows people to be abused, and we can't turn a blind eye to that. Shit, most of what you guys are saying about slavery and reparations for it has alot to do with the white American tendancy to just turn a blind eye to that and forget about it, like what we have today isn't connected with all that shit. Americans have a profound disconnection with their history and how it effects their present and their future.

Shit, the government hasn't even issued a formal apology for allowing that institution to thrive for so long. Not even an apology. That's pretty fucked up. And now it's like "hey, we got a black president... everything is okay." Meanwhile, a young black kid gets hog-tied by a transit cop in Oakland and shot in the back. Everything ain't okay.

Voodoobillyman - 1-24-2009 at 10:38 AM

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Well, I personally don't see the point of monetary reparations to individuals. But our government and society would be best served by focusing attention on downtrodden communities and working to uplift them in cooperation with local groups. It's damn foolish to leave shit the way it is and consider ourselves and just society. Black and latino communities are afflicted with shit schools and don't get any funding. Education should be the first fucking thing on our minds there. Giving people the tools to help themselves is crucial. .

I agree with you 100% on this and have no problem with my tax dollars going to education programs. But like I said before, I grew up white and poor along with alot of other white poor kids and we all had a shitty school. Waaaaaaaaaaah I got on with life and it didn't involve my past being used as a crutch or excuse to sling crack or commit crimes to try and "get by" That shit has got to go just as much as what you said about rich whity's mentality to it all. No story is one sided in fault and faulter.

upyerbum - 1-24-2009 at 03:01 PM

There is not one person on this earth whose ancestors did not commit some sort of atrocity or injustice against someone. We won, they lost. Tough shit. I'm sick of hearing about it. You won't find any white guilt over here.

Discipline - 1-24-2009 at 03:18 PM

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There is not one person on this earth whose ancestors did not commit some sort of atrocity or injustice against someone. We won, they lost. Tough shit. I'm sick of hearing about it. You won't find any white guilt over here.

DaveMoral - 1-24-2009 at 04:18 PM

I find that mentality reprehensible. It's also a mentality that allows shit like that to continue in this world.

I'll have none of it.

Also, don't misconstrue my sentiments as giving people an excuse to just give up on themselves or look for a free ride. Not at all what I'm saying. I'm not saying "hey man, your school sucks and you've been given a raw deal... just give it up and demand a hand-out." Nor am I making excuses for people's criminal or morally debased behavior when I say that these conditions we've handed down from slavery onto Jim Crow and into the institutional racism we see even today have created the environment into which people lose their moral compass. That's the legacy, doesn't mean I think folks have an excuse. Shit, that would mean I could make all sortsa excuses for myself to start doing shit that I know is wrong or believe is wrong.

I'm just saying, we gotta own up to our end of the deal if we are going to expect folks to own up to their's. It's the most eloquent, intelligent, accomplished, and usually righteous people in the black community that even talk about issues of institutional racism and the need for reparations in some form, and most of them would also point out the folly in reparations in the form of monetary hand-outs. The likely results of which we see bluntly satirized on the Dave Chappelle Show.