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what the fuck happened?

panzerkreuzer - 3-14-2009 at 12:54 PM

März 14, 2009 - Samstag

DKM's Show Sat March 14th
Aktuelle Stimmung: abgelehnt

Slapshot will not be playing the DKM's show on March 14th at the House Of Blues.

Apparently there are some rumors circulating and the DKM's decided to take Slapshot off the bill.

Sorry to all that expected to see Slapshot.


what´s about the green shirts??

ShawnRefuse - 3-14-2009 at 12:57 PM

Just read this too???

Shirt sale Josh?

xoversux - 3-14-2009 at 05:26 PM

Typical non-sense. Because that's what hardcore is all about. This kind of stuff happened all the time to Minor Threat.

I guess the shirts will be available online, Josh will get that together.


Can't wait to get back to my safe European home.



Furly - 3-14-2009 at 06:09 PM

Shitty shitty shitty. I'm happy I didn't offer away my first born for getting tickets.

XHonusWagnerX - 3-14-2009 at 06:20 PM

Yeah, there will be shirts for sale very soon, I just gotta take some pictures.

There are no green ones though, we didnt get those done (luckily!).

Discipline - 3-14-2009 at 06:38 PM

Shitty.

clevohardcore - 3-14-2009 at 08:28 PM

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Yeah, there will be shirts for sale very soon, I just gotta take some pictures.

There are no green ones though, we didnt get those done (luckily!).







^^^^^^^^^^^^^ POSTEM UP.

DaveMoral - 3-14-2009 at 09:50 PM

What's the deal with the shirts? What's the deal with the rumor mill bullshit?

XHonusWagnerX - 3-14-2009 at 10:49 PM

shirts will be coming as soon as I can take some pictures (probably tomorrow).

The rest of its not rumors... DKM asked Slapshot not to play.

defstarsteve - 3-14-2009 at 10:58 PM

that's pretty fucking shitty

DaveMoral - 3-14-2009 at 11:16 PM

But why? Just because? Straight edge? What's up with that?

clevohardcore - 3-14-2009 at 11:19 PM

Dude, tell us why. That sounds just weird.

Mickey - 3-14-2009 at 11:37 PM

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Dude, tell us why. That sounds just weird.

When you write "reactionary lyrics" about people, don't expect an easy time getting shows. These shows are high profile shows in Boston, and I'm sure DKM didn't want to take any chances, or deal with any bs. I can't blame them...I was shoocked they were even added

Lucabrasi - 3-14-2009 at 11:59 PM

DKM blows anyways.

random - 3-15-2009 at 06:29 AM

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When you write "reactionary lyrics" about people, don't expect an easy time getting shows. These shows are high profile shows in Boston, and I'm sure DKM didn't want to take any chances, or deal with any bs. I can't blame them...I was shoocked they were even added


It's pretty ridiculous if those "reactionary lyrics" caused the problem, since they've been out there for a long time, and the band was booked with those lyrics being common knowledge. It would be like booking Street Dogs and dropping them later saying "Shit, we didn't know they were pro-union... fuck, that might alienate some of our audience."

xoversux - 3-15-2009 at 07:24 AM

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Dude, tell us why. That sounds just weird.

When you write "reactionary lyrics" about people, don't expect an easy time getting shows. These shows are high profile shows in Boston, and I'm sure DKM didn't want to take any chances, or deal with any bs. I can't blame them...I was shoocked they were even added


LOL, isn't that what punk is all about? It seems to have lost that aspect of it.

BTW, they could of told Slapshot this 2 months ago.

Mickey - 3-15-2009 at 09:52 AM

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Dude, tell us why. That sounds just weird.

When you write "reactionary lyrics" about people, don't expect an easy time getting shows. These shows are high profile shows in Boston, and I'm sure DKM didn't want to take any chances, or deal with any bs. I can't blame them...I was shoocked they were even added


LOL, isn't that what punk is all about? It seems to have lost that aspect of it.

BTW, they could of told Slapshot this 2 months ago.

I'm not going to pretend I know your songs, but don't kid yourself about not knowing what lyrics were directed at certain groups and specific individuals. I think bands should be held accountable for shit the say in songs and on stage. Just think of all the new material your getting for your new album.

xoversux - 3-15-2009 at 10:22 AM

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Dude, tell us why. That sounds just weird.

When you write "reactionary lyrics" about people, don't expect an easy time getting shows. These shows are high profile shows in Boston, and I'm sure DKM didn't want to take any chances, or deal with any bs. I can't blame them...I was shoocked they were even added


LOL, isn't that what punk is all about? It seems to have lost that aspect of it.

BTW, they could of told Slapshot this 2 months ago.

I'm not going to pretend I know your songs, but don't kid yourself about not knowing what lyrics were directed at certain groups and specific individuals. I think bands should be held accountable for shit the say in songs and on stage. Just think of all the new material your getting for your new album.


Why not just write a song back?

XHonusWagnerX - 3-15-2009 at 10:55 AM

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I think bands should be held accountable for shit the say in songs and on stage.


The Dropkick Murphy’s wrote a song called "Pipe bomb on Lansdowne Street" does that mean that the city should be worried that they might blow up the club? They also do songs that are in support of The Bruins & The Red Sox. I bet that means that the next time the Yankees or Rangers come to town they are in trouble!

Suicidal Tendencies wrote a song where they sang "I shot Regan" does that mean that the US government had the write to destroy everything in Mike Muir’s house and kill his cat while searching for 'something' that they never found?

Kiss wrote a song called "Christine Sixteen" does that mean that they are running a child porn ring along with Winger who wrote "She’s only Seventeen"?

Stigma played for Madball who wrote a song called "No Escape" about beating up/killing a certain group of guys from Boston, why does Stigma get to open for the Dropkick Murphy’s on Monday in Boston? Isn’t he just as dangerous, if not more, to a crowd of people in Boston as Slapshot apparantly is?

The Meatmen wrote "One Down, Three To Go"... hmmmm... lets get Mark David Chapman out of jail because it must have been Tesco Vee that killed Lennon!

Theres also "Pope on a Rope" and "Hang the Pope". Guess we shouldnt expect a Meatmen/Nuclear Assault tour of Rome anytime soon.

Jello Biafra sang "Kill the Poor", "Lets Lynch the Landlord", "I Kill Children", "Chemical Warfare" & "Stealing Peoples Mail" sounds like multiple federal offences there. He probably belongs on the FBI's most wanted list.

The Beatles wrote "Helter Skelter" so they must be responsible for the Manson family killings. It doesnt matter what the song was really about but someone heard it and made their own interpreation and that no reflects on the band. Just like AC/DC wrote the song "Night Prowler" which Richard Ramirez was convinced was a personal message to him. I guess Angus & Bon Scott advocate rape & murder of the elderly.

I also seem to remember an entire song written about a certain Krishna influenced hardcore band that Slapshot played with (along with NYHC bands Killing Time & Uppercut) without any incidents at all. There’s also a pretty angry line in that song about a person not even in that band ("Hey Ray why don't you get some self respect") yet there’s a picture taken of those guys hanging around and having fun from only a few years back. Some people get the joke and some don’t. The people that don’t get the joke don’t have to laugh, but why ruin the joke for everyone else?

Mickey - 3-15-2009 at 11:06 AM

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Dude, tell us why. That sounds just weird.

When you write "reactionary lyrics" about people, don't expect an easy time getting shows. These shows are high profile shows in Boston, and I'm sure DKM didn't want to take any chances, or deal with any bs. I can't blame them...I was shoocked they were even added


LOL, isn't that what punk is all about? It seems to have lost that aspect of it.

BTW, they could of told Slapshot this 2 months ago.

I'm not going to pretend I know your songs, but don't kid yourself about not knowing what lyrics were directed at certain groups and specific individuals. I think bands should be held accountable for shit the say in songs and on stage. Just think of all the new material your getting for your new album.


Why not just write a song back?
this coming from a guy in a band whose lead singer use to hit people with sawed off hockey sticks......now that was punk rock

Discipline - 3-15-2009 at 11:06 AM

^ What Honus said.^

xoversux - 3-15-2009 at 11:16 AM

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this coming from a guy in a band whose lead singer use to hit people with sawed off hockey sticks......now that was punk rock


Really, do you know anyone that has ever been hit with the hockey stick? You don't because the only person to ever get hit was Jordan, while onstage at the Rat.

Keep trying.

I always thought punk rock was about pushing buttons, but I guess it's more like mesh shorts, kangol hats and open tuned sg's.

xoversux - 3-15-2009 at 11:18 AM

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The Dropkick Murphy’s wrote a song called "Pipe bomb on Lansdowne Street" does that mean that the city should be worried that they might blow up the club? They also do songs that are in support of The Bruins & The Red Sox. I bet that means that the next time the Yankees or Rangers come to town they are in trouble!


Also, the DKM's covered "I've Had Enough" for most of their career and Ken put out the Tribute to Slapshot.

xoversux - 3-15-2009 at 11:22 AM

And then there's this:


From the Bruisers website:
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By now there was an underground current in the scene for the Bruisers, and plenty of cassette copies of their 7 song demo were circulating. Ex-NPD drummer Dan Connors was working the summer of 1989 on Cape Cod with his girlfriend, where they met Jen Kelly, wife of Jack "Choke" Kelly of Slapshot. Jen brought home one of the band's demos and Jack was impressed enough to sign the band to his new American Oi! Label, Patriot Records. The Bruisers 1st four song EP was released in the summer of 1989 on Patriot Records.


Oh Noes!!!!!! Don't tell anyone!!!!

Mickey - 3-15-2009 at 11:39 AM

Yes Ken did the Slapshot tribute album. The record release show in Southie was awesome..jammed packed. It was cool to see you guys....uh..oh yea, you didn't get to play that one either.

Voodoobillyman - 3-15-2009 at 12:20 PM

drama queens, the lot of ya

xoversux - 3-15-2009 at 12:21 PM

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Yes Ken did the Slapshot tribute album. The record release show in Southie was awesome..jammed packed. It was cool to see you guys....uh..oh yea, you didn't get to play that one either.


......and don't forget we got ripped off in Haverhill.

There's so many Minor Threat, Black Flag and Bad Brains songs about this kind of stuff. :spin:

DaveMoral - 3-15-2009 at 01:10 PM

Seriously? "You offended some people, so you shouldn't be able to play shows?"

That, I can understand for a white power band. But for Slapshot? Jeez Louise, get a fucking grip.

All of these bands got where they are at some point in time by pissing people off and being pissed off.

tireironsaint - 3-15-2009 at 01:36 PM

This is bullshit. A band like the Murphys got where they are today in large part because of Slapshot paving the way. As has been pointed out a few times in this thread already, there are many ways in which Choke or the band have done things which specifically benefitted members of the Murphys and helped them get to the successful position they are in now. I thought it was awesome that they were going to stand behind their claim of being all about their roots and put Slapshot on this show, but it sounds to me as if someone in the band has gotten a bit too warped by their success. Deary me, we wouldn't want to upset some drunken frat boys, now would we?

xoversux - 3-15-2009 at 04:36 PM

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This is bullshit. A band like the Murphys got where they are today in large part because of Slapshot paving the way. As has been pointed out a few times in this thread already, there are many ways in which Choke or the band have done things which specifically benefitted members of the Murphys and helped them get to the successful position they are in now. I thought it was awesome that they were going to stand behind their claim of being all about their roots and put Slapshot on this show, but it sounds to me as if someone in the band has gotten a bit too warped by their success. Deary me, we wouldn't want to upset some drunken frat boys, now would we?


Thanks

Discipline - 3-15-2009 at 05:25 PM

I agree completely with the Saint on this. I would also like to add that people who get offended by the lyrics to a Slapshot song need to lighten the fuck up. Most of the time it's more funny than anything else, and often very sarcastically said. God forbid somebody has a good time listening to a hardcore record. I think some people get mad because more than anything, Slapshot has pointed out the stupidity and conformity in the hardcore scene, and people get offended because they have to look in the mirror and realize the lyrics could have been written about them specifically. I guess Slapshot aren't "posi" enough for a St. Patricks Day show. Of course, I'd have have a giant fucking smile on my face if I got to finally see Slapshot live. Adding that to a DKM St Paddy's day show and I'd be having the time of my life.

MarkV - 3-15-2009 at 06:56 PM

It really has nothing to do with lyrics "offending" the DKM crowd.

XHonusWagnerX - 3-15-2009 at 08:33 PM

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It really has nothing to do with lyrics "offending" the DKM crowd.


yup.. its about whos friends with who and whos harder than who.


MarkV - 3-15-2009 at 08:35 PM

I'd say more an effort to avoid physical injury and protect people.

xoversux - 3-15-2009 at 08:55 PM

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I'd say more an effort to avoid physical injury and protect people.


That's exactly what it is.

MarkV - 3-15-2009 at 09:02 PM

So why not say something when people are thinking DKM pulled some kind dick ego move or something?

Mickey - 3-15-2009 at 09:07 PM

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I agree completely with the Saint on this. I would also like to add that people who get offended by the lyrics to a Slapshot song need to lighten the fuck up. Most of the time it's more funny than anything else, and often very sarcastically said. God forbid somebody has a good time listening to a hardcore record. I think some people get mad because more than anything, Slapshot has pointed out the stupidity and conformity in the hardcore scene, and people get offended because they have to look in the mirror and realize the lyrics could have been written about them specifically. I guess Slapshot aren't "posi" enough for a St. Patricks Day show. Of course, I'd have have a giant fucking smile on my face if I got to finally see Slapshot live. Adding that to a DKM St Paddy's day show and I'd be having the time of my life.

I would agree too if that was the reason for asking them not to play. Slapshot must have wrote some song for Choke to get punched(not beat up) backstage in Europe. That and writing L.O.S.E.R blasting a crew from Boston, your probably gonna catch some shit. It had nothing to do with not offending frat boys and not being posi enough, it had to do with avoiding drama at a show which is in the spotlight in Boston. Instead of blasting DKM for the decision they should be thanked for avoiding what could've ended really badly.

MarkV - 3-15-2009 at 09:10 PM

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I agree completely with the Saint on this. I would also like to add that people who get offended by the lyrics to a Slapshot song need to lighten the fuck up. Most of the time it's more funny than anything else, and often very sarcastically said. God forbid somebody has a good time listening to a hardcore record. I think some people get mad because more than anything, Slapshot has pointed out the stupidity and conformity in the hardcore scene, and people get offended because they have to look in the mirror and realize the lyrics could have been written about them specifically. I guess Slapshot aren't "posi" enough for a St. Patricks Day show. Of course, I'd have have a giant fucking smile on my face if I got to finally see Slapshot live. Adding that to a DKM St Paddy's day show and I'd be having the time of my life.

I would agree too if that was the reason for asking them not to play. Slapshot must have wrote some song for Choke to get punched(not beat up) backstage in Europe. That and writing L.O.S.E.R blasting a crew from Boston, your probably gonna catch some shit. It had nothing to do with not offending frat boys and not being posi enough, it had to do with avoiding drama at a show which is in the spotlight in Boston. Instead of blasting DKM for the decision they should be thanked for avoiding what could've ended really badly.


Exactly correct. And it's 100 percent the reason they ended up not playing the DKM/BFB southie show in 1999.

tireironsaint - 3-15-2009 at 09:45 PM

Alright then, they want to avoid some violence over bullshit, I can understand that, but it would make a lot more sense for them to make an announcement about what the whole beef is and let people know that there are ways in which we can settle differences other than beating each other down or escalating to further bullshit. To let people go around saying that there are some rumors circulating about a band and that because of that it's been decided to just pull the band off the show just makes everybody look bad and leads to conversations like this one.

XHonusWagnerX - 3-15-2009 at 09:48 PM

Ok..... if you guys are both right, than why were they asked to play the show in the first place? If DKM should be thanked for pulling them off to avoid a 'really bad' situation, than what should be said about DKM for asking Slapshot to play and causing a 'really bad' situation in the first place?

MarkV - 3-15-2009 at 10:07 PM

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Alright then, they want to avoid some violence over bullshit, I can understand that, but it would make a lot more sense for them to make an announcement about what the whole beef is and let people know that there are ways in which we can settle differences other than beating each other down or escalating to further bullshit. To let people go around saying that there are some rumors circulating about a band and that because of that it's been decided to just pull the band off the show just makes everybody look bad and leads to conversations like this one.


Slapshot made that statement, not DKM.

XHonusWagnerX - 3-15-2009 at 10:09 PM

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Slapshot made that statement, not DKM.



This is just my opinion, but I think that Slapshot had no choice but to make an anouncement because if they hadnt said anything than it would have looked like they canceled the show at the last minute and beleive it or not, there were some people going to the show mainly to see Slapshot. If no anouncment was made than the situation would have sucked even more for those people. The right thing probably would have been for DKM to make a statement, but as far as I know that didnt/hasnt happened.

MarkV - 3-15-2009 at 10:14 PM

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Ok..... if you guys are both right, than why were they asked to play the show in the first place? If DKM should be thanked for pulling them off to avoid a 'really bad' situation, than what should be said about DKM for asking Slapshot to play and causing a 'really bad' situation in the first place?


Are you being serious right now?
Obviously DKM didn't think there would be any problems when they asked them. And the whole "situation" only arose in the past couple of days.

MarkV - 3-15-2009 at 10:18 PM

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Slapshot made that statement, not DKM.



This is just my opinion, but I think that Slapshot had no choice but to make an anouncement because if they hadnt said anything than it would have looked like they canceled the show at the last minute and beleive it or not, there were some people going to the show mainly to see Slapshot. If no anouncment was made than the situation would have sucked even more for those people. The right thing probably would have been for DKM to make a statement, but as far as I know that didnt/hasnt happened.


"Due to circumstances out of our hands, we've had to pull off the DKM show tomorrow. We apologize to anyone who was looking forward to our set."

And, the tickets for that show were sold out before Slapshot were even added (replacing the CroMags), so it's not like there would have been that many people who were going specifically to see Slapshot.

tireironsaint - 3-15-2009 at 10:20 PM

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Alright then, they want to avoid some violence over bullshit, I can understand that, but it would make a lot more sense for them to make an announcement about what the whole beef is and let people know that there are ways in which we can settle differences other than beating each other down or escalating to further bullshit. To let people go around saying that there are some rumors circulating about a band and that because of that it's been decided to just pull the band off the show just makes everybody look bad and leads to conversations like this one.


Slapshot made that statement, not DKM.

What I'm saying is that the Murphys SHOULD have made an announcement, not that they said something else.

MarkV - 3-15-2009 at 10:39 PM

I'm guessing part of it is them not wanting to get involved or perpetuating rumors.

Also, as I understand it, it basically went down in the past couple of days, which left the band w/ having to find another support act in 24 hours, while playing 2 sold out shows, dealing hundreds of guests per show, dealing with the support bands on the other shows, etc. There's not a lot of downtime for the band or crew during the week.
I don't not agree with you, but I can see the reasons for it not happening.

tireironsaint - 3-15-2009 at 10:47 PM

I'm sure they're busy with this, but if they're willing to step in and remove bands at the last minute they ought to be willing to take the five minutes to post an explanation on their site or a bulletin through myspace or something along those lines. Otherwise they're just creating more drama.

MarkV - 3-15-2009 at 11:02 PM

Again, not saying I don't agree with you, or see your point. But, the reality is, there's probably less than 10 percent of the ticket holders who know who the support bands are. There was probably only a handful of people who were REALLY effected by this (as I said earlier, the show was sold out long before Slapshot were put on the show). I mean, I don't even think they got to make an announcement about Reach the Sky taking Slapshot's place, which is probably a bigger deal than Slapshot not being able to play.

random - 3-15-2009 at 11:27 PM

So, could someone let me know if I have pieced together the vague and not-so-vague comments here...

Some guys in their mid-30s are pissed at some guys in their mid-40s over some shit in a song and are willing to cause a large show to be shut down because their panties are in a bunch and they want to start a bunch of fights over the lyrics to a song that nobody has ever heard.

And please dear fucking god-I-don't-believe-in, tell me it's not over these lyrics like mentioned above. Did they change for the 2001 version and call out what I'm guessing is the crew in question? So this is over some shit from 8-14 years ago? Seriously??? Please tell me I'm missing something.

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15 years and this is all you've got
You didn't listen to a word we said
All your talk is bullshit it's obvious to me
I look around and see our scene is dead
I'm not on some nostalgia trip
The old school means shit to me
Don't try to compare what you've got now
To anything I live
1995 there's nothing new
It's been the same since 1982
Stage diving everywhere I turn
I've been screaming 13 years I'll never learn
Nothing like we've had before
You worship assholes from New York
Little crews with smaller minds
Why should I waste my time
I don't want it you can have it!
I got a new name for you it's L.O.S.E.R.
I don't want it you can have it!
I got a new name for you it's L.O.S.E.R.
I'm not on some nostalgia trip
The old school means shit to me
Little crews with smaller minds
Why should I waste my time

MarkV - 3-15-2009 at 11:42 PM

You're on the right track but missing a few details, haha.

random - 3-15-2009 at 11:48 PM

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You're on the right track but missing a few details, haha.


Unless those few details involve Choke, Elgin James, and anal rape, then I gotta say I'm glad I'm 1-2 decades younger than the parties involved and still feel too old for this shit.

MarkV - 3-16-2009 at 12:04 AM

I would also definitely say this doesn't have to do with that song or any song in particular, since they played Boston in Dec.

clevohardcore - 3-16-2009 at 12:57 AM

Please. Can someone just explain what happened and why? I read through this thread like a little drama bitch and now I am hanging on to this story like a fucking John Grisham novel. Please someone let out the truth. We are not internet bitches or idiots for the most part we respect the bands in discussion and THORP regulars are pretty tight for a group I must add. WE JUST WANT THE TRUTH! WHat the hell happened and why?

DaveMoral - 3-16-2009 at 01:05 AM

All I can say is this whole thing sounds pretty gay, and it's one of the reasons I have zero interest in today's hardcore scene.

MarkV - 3-16-2009 at 01:47 AM

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Originally posted by DaveMoral it's one of the reasons I have zero interest in today's hardcore scene.


This particular "issue" has been going on for 20 years, so it's not really a "today's scene" issue.

Mark Lind - 3-16-2009 at 02:00 AM

I know nothing about Slapshot, their history or any beefs they have going with anyone or had going with anyone at one point...... but no one really gives a shit about the openers on these shows. I mean, if the band plays and does well then it can help your band. But no band is contributing to these shows. The Anti-Heros canceled a few years ago with 24 hour notice. Ducky Boys filled in the slot at short notice. Not a single person gave a fuck that the Anti-Heros didn't play. Except maybe me and the rest of the guys in the band that wanted to see them play. Because the crowd is only there to see DKM. Hey bands cancel...... who cares about the reason? Not the crowd. So there really isn't a need for a statement either way.

Hopefully it all works out in the end. Good luck with whatever it is.

MarkV - 3-16-2009 at 02:29 AM

I was thinking of the Anti Heros example and was going to mention that.
Like you said, if you're good, a chunk of the crowd will be into it. Even being good doesn't guarantee that crowd will give the slightest shit. I'd say a VERY large portion of the crowd probably hasn't heard of any of the openers on any given night (except for maybe Black 47 this year).

DaveMoral - 3-16-2009 at 04:17 AM

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This particular "issue" has been going on for 20 years, so it's not really a "today's scene" issue.


20 years or not, these days this whole gangsta crew mentality and people associated getting their feathers ruffled over the slightest accusation or diss seems to just permeate every aspect of hardcore these days. It's retarded, and getting worked up about something someone says against some shit that you or your clique might do and then ruining shows and beating people down doesn't exactly improve your fucking rep. In fact, it shows these dudes for the thugs they are. If you wanna have a reputation of doing good for hardcore and punk rock and "protecting" folks from elements that we definitely don't want in the scene... then stop beating up cats for saying some of the shit you do is whack. Just makes you look like a bully and lose face.

I mean, the fact that Mickey says he thinks bands should be taken to account for the shit they say on and off stage is outrageous. It's about as fascist as that shit gets. That's the kinda thing that draws people away from the hardcore scene and eventually causes them to have a dislike for the music. Hell, maybe the music is part of the problem. Maybe this sort of music can't help but breed thuggish mentalities, because it's certainly not a phenomenon limited to hardcore kids and punk rockers who have lived the street life.

Meh, fuck it. Maybe it's just me getting older, wiser, having kids and moving onto other wider interests... going to shows and dealing with these sorts of things has zero appeal to me though.

XHonusWagnerX - 3-16-2009 at 06:04 AM

speculate and/or guess all you want. whatever it is that happened there was no reason for it. most of the people commenting dont know exactly what was/is/has gone on and thats fine. I'm not saying anyone is totally wrong, but whatever. I'm bowing out of this thread because its pointless. Seems like some people have strong enough opinions that they seem to know they are right when people closer to the situation dont even really understand it.

xoversux - 3-16-2009 at 06:54 AM

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Originally posted by DaveMoral it's one of the reasons I have zero interest in today's hardcore scene.


This particular "issue" has been going on for 20 years, so it's not really a "today's scene" issue.


You obviously know more about this situation than the band does.



Mark Lind - 3-16-2009 at 12:37 PM

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I was thinking of the Anti Heros example and was going to mention that.
Like you said, if you're good, a chunk of the crowd will be into it. Even being good doesn't guarantee that crowd will give the slightest shit. I'd say a VERY large portion of the crowd probably hasn't heard of any of the openers on any given night (except for maybe Black 47 this year).


Maybe so but I don't think Black 47 went over very well last night at all. Nice guys though.

BDx13 - 3-16-2009 at 12:41 PM

^ really?

MarkV - 3-16-2009 at 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by DaveMoral it's one of the reasons I have zero interest in today's hardcore scene.


This particular "issue" has been going on for 20 years, so it's not really a "today's scene" issue.


You obviously know more about this situation than the band does.





You're going to try and honestly tell me you're confused as to why certain groups of people get pissed at Jack?

Mark Lind - 3-16-2009 at 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by BD
^ really?


Don't get me wrong.... they didn't bomb. But they didn't go over like a band that I expected a lot of people to know. Just another DKM opener.

ShawnRefuse - 3-16-2009 at 12:58 PM

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Originally posted by Mark Lind
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Originally posted by BD
^ really?


Don't get me wrong.... they didn't bomb. But they didn't go over like a band that I expected a lot of people to know. Just another DKM opener.


H20 on Friday went over well. I felt a little bad for Ashers though, people just standing there, and they played a really good set.

How was your crowd reaction Mark? I would have liked to see you guys at HOB.

Also, who replaced Slapshot with such short notice?

MarkV - 3-16-2009 at 01:10 PM

Reach the Sky

Discipline - 3-16-2009 at 02:42 PM

Didn't Reach the Sky break up years ago? Are they yet another reunited band?

xoversux - 3-16-2009 at 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by MarkV

You're going to try and honestly tell me you're confused as to why certain groups of people get pissed at Jack?


No I'm not. But clearly there are 2 separate beefs (1 of which I thought was partially resolved [in Haverhill] as indicated to me when we were booked for the show) and the other has to do with people 250 miles away.

But this town should should of stepped up for Slapshot instead of turning it's back.

Mark Lind - 3-16-2009 at 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by ShawnRefuse
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Originally posted by Mark Lind
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Originally posted by BD
^ really?


Don't get me wrong.... they didn't bomb. But they didn't go over like a band that I expected a lot of people to know. Just another DKM opener.



How was your crowd reaction Mark?




It went really well. On par with Black 47.

MarkV - 3-16-2009 at 03:15 PM

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Originally posted by Discipline
Didn't Reach the Sky break up years ago? Are they yet another reunited band?


They broke up about 6 years ago. (I think it was 2003.) They're doing 2 reunion shows at some fests (one in Chicago and one in Montreal I believe).

XHonusWagnerX - 3-16-2009 at 03:18 PM

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Originally posted by xoversux


But this town should should of stepped up for Slapshot instead of turning it's back.



the throat speaks louder than the voice

MarkV - 3-16-2009 at 03:19 PM

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Originally posted by xoversux
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Originally posted by MarkV

You're going to try and honestly tell me you're confused as to why certain groups of people get pissed at Jack?


No I'm not. But clearly there are 2 separate beefs (1 of which I thought was partially resolved [in Haverhill] as indicated to me when we were booked for the show) and the other has to do with people 250 miles away.

But this town should should of stepped up for Slapshot instead of turning it's back.



Those people aren't 250 miles away. The days of those "crews" being one city are over.
What exactly should have been done? Should DKM stood around the stage while you played, acting as a human shield? Are you encouraging your "fans" to put themselves in harm's way?
DKM did the responsible thing which was protecting YOUR well being, and the well being of anyone at the show who could/would have been effected.

xoversux - 3-16-2009 at 03:25 PM

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Originally posted by MarkV
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Originally posted by xoversux
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Originally posted by MarkV

You're going to try and honestly tell me you're confused as to why certain groups of people get pissed at Jack?


No I'm not. But clearly there are 2 separate beefs (1 of which I thought was partially resolved [in Haverhill] as indicated to me when we were booked for the show) and the other has to do with people 250 miles away.

But this town should should of stepped up for Slapshot instead of turning it's back.



Those people aren't 250 miles away. The days of those "crews" being one city are over.
What exactly should have been done? Should DKM stood around the stage while you played, acting as a human shield? Are you encouraging your "fans" to put themselves in harm's way?
DKM did the responsible thing which was protecting YOUR well being, and the well being of anyone at the show who could/would have been effected.


Mark, I'm not messing with you, I appreciate what you have done for Slapshot and I know exactly what you mean.

That's a lot of witnesses to do something in front of.



MarkV - 3-16-2009 at 03:40 PM

Not when you're loading out of the venue into a back alley man.

xoversux - 3-16-2009 at 03:51 PM

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Originally posted by MarkV
Not when you're loading out of the venue into a back alley man.


I actually put a lot of effort into avoiding that.

Mickey - 3-16-2009 at 03:57 PM

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But this town should should of stepped up for Slapshot instead of turning it's back.

who should've stepped up for you....the other crew from Boston you pissed off or the Boston band with the lead singer with NY crew letters tattooed on him.

MarkV - 3-16-2009 at 04:05 PM

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Originally posted by MarkV
Not when you're loading out of the venue into a back alley man.


I actually put a lot of effort into avoiding that.



HAHAHAHA

xoversux - 3-16-2009 at 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by xoversux
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But this town should should of stepped up for Slapshot instead of turning it's back.

who should've stepped up for you....the other crew from Boston you pissed off or the Boston band with the lead singer with NY crew letters tattooed on him.


LOL, good point.

Maybe we should take the "Boston" off all our merch.

DAK - 3-16-2009 at 04:34 PM

You can play at my house. No crews. Just old fat dudes.

xoversux - 3-16-2009 at 05:53 PM

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You can play at my house. No crews. Just old fat dudes.


Thanks for the offer.

But I think we're too old for this stuff, maybe it's time to call it a day.

Discipline - 3-16-2009 at 07:51 PM

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Originally posted by xoversux
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Originally posted by DAK
You can play at my house. No crews. Just old fat dudes.


Thanks for the offer.

But I think we're too old for this stuff, maybe it's time to call it a day.


Not until you play Toronto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!