FSU leader jailed

WINTHESKIN - 7-14-2009 at 11:22 PM

http://www.reuters.com/article/musicNews/idUSTRE56D7NR200907...

clevohardcore - 7-14-2009 at 11:45 PM

Who was it and what band?

JawnDiablo - 7-15-2009 at 06:04 AM

perhaps that Victory guy?

XHonusWagnerX - 7-15-2009 at 06:44 AM

wow.... about time something happens. I'm really curious what band they were taking money from in that story.

Dave - 7-15-2009 at 06:55 AM

yeah, but it must have been more than one band tho.

Jason the Magnificent - 7-15-2009 at 06:56 AM

This is probably the only board in the "scene" that this will be allowed to be talked about on.

XHonusWagnerX - 7-15-2009 at 07:42 AM

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yeah, but it must have been more than one band tho.

I'm sure it's been more than 1 band, but I wonder who it was that recorded them.

MikeResist - 7-15-2009 at 10:30 AM

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http://www.reuters.com/article/musicNews/idUSTRE56D7NR200907...

Good.

Discipline - 7-15-2009 at 11:05 AM

About bloody time.

WINTHESKIN - 7-15-2009 at 11:28 AM

i thought Elgin had left FSU

Voodoobillyman - 7-15-2009 at 12:27 PM

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This is probably the only board in the "scene" that this will be allowed to be talked about on.

why do you say this? I would think this would be all over the place on these "hardcore" message boards. All in all if he really was doing this, and it is pretty reasonable to believe, I am glad he got pinched and hope he is found guilty and receives the full punishment.

Jason the Magnificent - 7-15-2009 at 12:45 PM

Notice I said allowed, discussions on other boards relating to topics like these are usually deleted.

XHonusWagnerX - 7-15-2009 at 12:48 PM

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Notice I said allowed, discussions on other boards relating to topics like these are usually deleted.

not only that, some boards have an auto word change thing so that if you type FSU it will change it to another word that makes the sentance make no sense.

Jason the Magnificent - 7-15-2009 at 12:49 PM

Saw this in an article...

"A source familiar with the investigation identified the victim as a member of the punk band Mest."

Amusingly enough Mest is some crap pop punk band where the singer is a converted bonehead.

XHonusWagnerX - 7-15-2009 at 12:59 PM

I dont think it can be MEST based on some dates I read. MEST broke up in January 2006 and whatever band it was that had the member being harrassed was still playing in 2006.

ShawnRefuse - 7-15-2009 at 02:42 PM

I was at the 2005 Social D show in Worcester and Mest was supposed to play, but didn't (had all of their merch set up so they were there - gotta say I was happy they didn't play, not a fan). On other boards people have said it was because of the beatdown. I have always wonder why they didn't play that night.

Also, according to their (MEST) myspace they are doing a tour right now. In fact this weekend you could see them at Lupo's if you wanted to Honus.

clevohardcore - 7-15-2009 at 02:48 PM

never even heard of that band. Plus that dude supposedly left the gang and moved west to join I think it was one of the large biker gang. I think the other gang not hells angels. Somehow he had a connection and they liked what he did with the hardcore music scene. This was on that gangland show form what I remember.

XHonusWagnerX - 7-15-2009 at 03:05 PM

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I was at the 2005 Social D show in Worcester and Mest was supposed to play, but didn't (had all of their merch set up so they were there - gotta say I was happy they didn't play, not a fan). On other boards people have said it was because of the beatdown. I have always wonder why they didn't play that night.

Also, according to their (MEST) myspace they are doing a tour right now. In fact this weekend you could see them at Lupo's if you wanted to Honus.

Hmmm.... you guys are probably right then. I was just using info online that said that MEST was broken up. My bad!

Mark Lind - 7-15-2009 at 03:19 PM

My unsolicited advice is that all the people low in the pecking order should not start celebrating this news. Only one dude is behind bars and you're still not safe to jump for joy. Ding dong, the witch isn't dead.

I would consider him an acquaintance and, while I've heard all the bad stuff about the guy that you've probably heard, he's been nothing but a nice guy to me. And I respect the hell out of him as an artist. Just remember that he's innocent until proven guilty!

clevohardcore - 7-15-2009 at 03:24 PM

Hey, I have no idea what even went down. I am merely trying to see what band it was he was supposedly shagging down. If it were hardcore or whatever.

Mickey - 7-15-2009 at 03:26 PM

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My unsolicited advice is that all the people low in the pecking order should not start celebrating this news. Only one dude is behind bars and you're still not safe to jump for joy. Ding dong, the witch isn't dead.

I would consider him an acquaintance and, while I've heard all the bad stuff about the guy that you've probably heard, he's been nothing but a nice guy to me. And I respect the hell out of him as an artist. Just remember that he's innocent until proven guilty!

Well put.....I was thinking the same thing

Mark Lind - 7-15-2009 at 03:27 PM

I know what you mean. I know nothing about this case. But no sense in everyone painting a bullseye on their foreheads over the internet. haha. That's not directed at you.

Voodoobillyman - 7-15-2009 at 03:49 PM

Like I said, IF he's guilty, he should face consequences. I had no idea the internet boards would delete any subjects pertaining to these guys. Is it that serious? really? Sheesh, I am reminded daily as to why I made the right decision to leave it all behind. Silly

Barnesey - 7-15-2009 at 09:00 PM

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never even heard of that band. Plus that dude supposedly left the gang and moved west to join I think it was one of the large biker gang. I think the other gang not hells angels. Somehow he had a connection and they liked what he did with the hardcore music scene. This was on that gangland show form what I remember.

Talk about Chinese whispers....

clevohardcore - 7-15-2009 at 10:36 PM

Ya pretty much. I am only going by what that gangland show had on it. I believe he said it. Not 100% but I think he did.

Mickey - 7-15-2009 at 11:15 PM

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I believe he said it. Not 100% but I think he did.

That's half the problem. Too many he said she said, a friend of a friend heard it from, and I wasn't there but I might have heard. If your not 100% sure of what is said maybe you shouldn't say it. After a while the urban legend becomes better than what's really happening.

clevohardcore - 7-15-2009 at 11:21 PM

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I believe he said it. Not 100% but I think he did.

^^^^^^^^^ Dude, what I'm talking about was the HISTORY CHANNELS show GANGLAND and what I remember was what this dude said he was going to do with his life. It's not a friend of a friend, its a actual recording of him saying he was moving out west and moving on with his life. Lay off with the talking shit bit. I ain't talking shit or starting anything at all. That's the last thing I am doing. This board of regular shmucks like me would all agree. No ill will on THORP. That's not us. Leave all that shit on other message boards, but not here.

BKT - 7-16-2009 at 12:12 AM

Who gives a shit. If he is guilty then he can rot in shit for the rest of his life, if not then whatever.

MM.

Mark Lind - 7-16-2009 at 12:15 AM

I guess I don't get what the big deal is. It seems like a petty crime to me. What the hell do they want with him? People are ripped off for more than $5000 every day. Why the full scale investigation and prosecution for something that isn't even that big of a deal when there are people getting raped and murdered out there? It seems like there is something more to it..... it stinks of some sort of corruption. But anyway...... back to my armchair.

BKT - 7-16-2009 at 12:32 AM

Because that is often what happens when you make videos of oneself shooting their mouth off. If you want to do dirt then keep your mouth shut and go about your business. You spend half your life causing shit and the other half hyping your shit then people start to take you serious and then this is what happens. Even when in the first place you were no one who should have ever been taken seriously.

MM.

barc0debaby - 7-16-2009 at 12:37 AM

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I guess I don't get what the big deal is. It seems like a petty crime to me. What the hell do they want with him? People are ripped off for more than $5000 every day. Why the full scale investigation and prosecution for something that isn't even that big of a deal when there are people getting raped and murdered out there? It seems like there is something more to it..... it stinks of some sort of corruption. But anyway...... back to my armchair.

Certainly does....there are plenty of bigger fish to fry when it comes to some good old fashion racketeering.

Seems strange that the FBI would be targeting countercultures that is deeply entwined with anti establishment and thought provoking messages.....ha!

XHonusWagnerX - 7-16-2009 at 06:28 AM

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I totally understand what you're saying but IF it is true and he is found guilty, then the odds are very good that he or 'the organization' has done this other times in the past. I'm probably a total pussy compared to most of you guys, but I dont want to feel intimidated going to a show or playing a show. I feel like there is no room for that in MY VISION of hardcore/punk. I'm unrealistic and probly nieve (sp?) but thats how I feel.

I also dont understand how anyone involved in the Boston Beatdown DVD (wether it had anything to do with him or not) hasnt been prosocuted for something. If I got jumped and beat up (even if it was because I was a wise ass or mouthed off) to the extent that some of the beatings on that video are, and then someone put it out on DVD and made money off it I would want to persue legal action, but I wouldnt because once again, I was intimidated and afraid.

I dont know.... I guess that stuff like this is one of the reasons I dont really goto shows anymore. I feel intimidated because of crap I got on 'another message board' and because I like some of the 'wrong bands'. Its just sad.....

Mark Lind - 7-16-2009 at 08:56 AM

Yeah. I get what you're all saying. But as "concerned citizens" why should we care? That guy from Mest beat a murder rap a few years ago. If that's the same guy that is whining to the FBI over his $5000 then are we to assume that his cooperation in this case helped him beat the charges? If so, that's disgusting.

On a side note, the music business is very corrupt. Payola doesn't exist on the books but it still very much takes place. This band was surely paying more than $5000 to line the pockets of music programmers at the radio stations that played their crappy songs. Are they up for charges next?

These are all rhetorical questions. Just some thoughts.

XHonusWagnerX - 7-16-2009 at 09:27 AM

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On a side note, the music business is very corrupt. Payola doesn't exist on the books but it still very much takes place. This band was surely paying more than $5000 to line the pockets of music programmers at the radio stations that played their crappy songs. Are they up for charges next?

I understand what youre saying too, but I think theres a big difference between "pay us money or we wont play your records or promote your band" and "pay us money or we will beat you up in every city you go to".

tcapa - 7-16-2009 at 10:32 AM

Having had personal experience with the DOJ (my brother in law was indicted in a similar fashion) here is my two-cents. Sealed DOJ indictments like this one are generally for small potatoes because they are about publicity and political gain and not about the extent of the crime. My brother in law was/is the first person to be tried under the Driver's License Defense Act and the DOJ statement is all hearsay and unsubstantiated, uncorroborated testimony from the grand jury proceedings. Nothing you read until the trial ENDS should be taken as fact. If what they are alleging agains Nate were a case with solid motivation in reigning in "gangs" charges would have been sought under the RICO statutes. I am 100% sure that this is the case of some 20-something douchebag at the FBI looking to get his name on the books for busting open a "notorious hardcore gang." The odds are the only real information he knows about the "gang" is what he read in Rolling Stones and saw on "Gangland." So I hope everyone is happy that hundreds of thousands of tax dollars are being spent over a five thousand dollar dispute that essential amounts to one guy of questionable character (the Mest singer) complaining that someone is trying to shake him down for money ... which really could be a debt, who knows?

I have nothing but respect for the alleged and his organization. Many of you are too young to remember but there would be no hardcore in Boston without them and I don't claim to know any of them well but have crossed paths with a couple people and have NEVER had an issue, as I am sure most of you never have personally had an issue. Stories are just that - believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.

I think Mickey summed it up the best by saying, "After a while the urban legend becomes better than what's really happening."

clevohardcore - 7-16-2009 at 11:32 AM

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Having had personal experience with the DOJ (my brother in law was indicted in a similar fashion) here is my two-cents. Sealed DOJ indictments like this one are generally for small potatoes because they are about publicity and political gain and not about the extent of the crime. My brother in law was/is the first person to be tried under the Driver's License Defense Act and the DOJ statement is all hearsay and unsubstantiated, uncorroborated testimony from the grand jury proceedings. Nothing you read until the trial ENDS should be taken as fact. If what they are alleging agains Nate were a case with solid motivation in reigning in "gangs" charges would have been sought under the RICO statutes. I am 100% sure that this is the case of some 20-something douchebag at the FBI looking to get his name on the books for busting open a "notorious hardcore gang." The odds are the only real information he knows about the "gang" is what he read in Rolling Stones and saw on "Gangland." So I hope everyone is happy that hundreds of thousands of tax dollars are being spent over a five thousand dollar dispute that essential amounts to one guy of questionable character (the Mest singer) complaining that someone is trying to shake him down for money ... which really could be a debt, who knows?

I have nothing but respect for the alleged and his organization. Many of you are too young to remember but there would be no hardcore in Boston without them and I don't claim to know any of them well but have crossed paths with a couple people and have NEVER had an issue, as I am sure most of you never have personally had an issue. Stories are just that - believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.

I think Mickey summed it up the best by saying, "After a while the urban legend becomes better than what's really happening."

^^^^^^^^^^^ BD just delete this thread. It's bringing goofballs that have no idea what we are about. Seriously, this guy is trying to say most of us are "too young to remember" SERIOUSLY? AHAHAHAHAHA. I fucking don't care what happened in thsi case. If he is found guilty. Lock em up. If not then let em continue to make with the BS in hardcore. Its all cyclical anyway.

XHonusWagnerX - 7-16-2009 at 11:38 AM

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Many of you are too young to remember but there would be no hardcore in Boston without them

There was hardcore in Boston before them and it would have continued. There is hardcore in everystate and Mass would be no different.... if anything it would be less intimidating and violent than it is now. *

*this is just my opinion.

clevohardcore - 7-16-2009 at 11:50 AM

On second thought. Thanks for visiting. It's good for business.

Mickey - 7-16-2009 at 02:21 PM

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Many of you are too young to remember but there would be no hardcore in Boston without them

if anything it would be less intimidating and violent than it is now.

when was the last time you saw a fight at a hardcore show in Boston?

tcapa - 7-16-2009 at 02:37 PM

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Many of you are too young to remember but there would be no hardcore in Boston without them

if anything it would be less intimidating and violent than it is now.

when was the last time you saw a fight at a hardcore show in Boston?

None that I can remember. I remember when I first started going to shows I was warned to watch out for a certain group. I have NEVER had a negative encounter with said group. And everyone who has negative things to say about the group, when pressed, are never the people who had a problem. It is always "a friend of a friend of my cousin bumped into a girl and said sorry but got his ass kicked 73 on 1." Oh so you saw it? "No." Oh. So this kid has no friends of his own? I mean 73-1 and no one jumped in? "...those guys are scary! they have chains! and pitbulls! and unicorns that breath fire..."

Again. I have NEVER witnessed a problem involving that group nor do I know anyone who has personally had a problem.

upyerbum - 7-16-2009 at 02:46 PM

I don't know shit about FSU, nor have I ever seen Boston Beatdown ( I got no time for that shit). But I have had people tell me stories (that weren't true) about myself, without realising who they were talking too. When I called bullshit, they swore up and down they were there. So, seriously, give the guy the benefit of the doubt, especially where the hardcore scene is involved, there are so many big mouths out there, who want to give themselves some sort of credibility by telling bullshit stories. As far as FSU goes, I don't see what any of that shit has to do with the scene, those dudes should go play some football, they have the mentality for it.

XHonusWagnerX - 7-16-2009 at 03:09 PM

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Many of you are too young to remember but there would be no hardcore in Boston without them

if anything it would be less intimidating and violent than it is now.

when was the last time you saw a fight at a hardcore show in Boston?

I dont go to shows in Boston so I dont know when/if there are fights, but I know theres intimidation and I've been part of that multiple times.

Mickey - 7-16-2009 at 03:19 PM

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Many of you are too young to remember but there would be no hardcore in Boston without them

if anything it would be less intimidating and violent than it is now.

when was the last time you saw a fight at a hardcore show in Boston?

I dont go to shows in Boston so I dont know when/if there are fights, but I know theres intimidation and I've been part of that multiple times.

I don't know what your intimidated by, but how can you say a scene is too violent when you don't go to shows there. Do you go to shows, and have you seen fsu beat people?

Mark Lind - 7-16-2009 at 03:34 PM

I've seen one real brawl at a Boston show and it was at the Rat.... which closed in 1997. There is an air of tension but that's sort of what makes it great. Sorry.... there is a pecking order. Or a perceived pecking order. That's part of the thrill. If I wanted to get together with a bunch of dudes and have a love fest then I'd just go to the Ramrod.

Tcapa, I heard a rumor that Mickey has said fire breathing unicorn tattooed on his back. I can not confirm this but my cousins' girlfriends' exboyfriend said he saw it.

clevohardcore - 7-16-2009 at 03:36 PM

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Many of you are too young to remember but there would be no hardcore in Boston without them

if anything it would be less intimidating and violent than it is now.

when was the last time you saw a fight at a hardcore show in Boston?

I dont go to shows in Boston so I dont know when/if there are fights, but I know theres intimidation and I've been part of that multiple times.

I don't know what your intimidated by, but how can you say a scene is too violent when you don't go to shows there. Do you go to shows, and have you seen fsu beat people?

^^^^^^^^^^^^ Ya, on video.

Barnesey - 7-16-2009 at 03:46 PM

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I believe he said it. Not 100% but I think he did.

How does going out west and moving on with his life turn into you saying joining a MC?

Mickey - 7-16-2009 at 03:47 PM

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Many of you are too young to remember but there would be no hardcore in Boston without them

if anything it would be less intimidating and violent than it is now.

when was the last time you saw a fight at a hardcore show in Boston?

I dont go to shows in Boston so I dont know when/if there are fights, but I know theres intimidation and I've been part of that multiple times.

I don't know what your intimidated by, but how can you say a scene is too violent when you don't go to shows there. Do you go to shows, and have you seen fsu beat people?

^^^^^^^^^^^^ Ya, on video.

true, but on that video there were only 2 fsu guys fighting. one was at a show about 10 years ago. all the other fights had nothing to do with fsu

Barnesey - 7-16-2009 at 03:49 PM

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When you go on television, the police will watch you more closely. Just a fact of life. I had friends on the news when I was a kid and next thing you know, a gang task force taking us down one by one. The cops even told me that if it was not for my friends that they wouldn't even bother with us.

tcapa - 7-16-2009 at 03:51 PM

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How does going out west and moving on with his life turn into you saying joining a MC?

Some one told him that only 1% of people leave gangs to go out west and move on with their life. Therefore he must be a 1%-er.

tcapa - 7-16-2009 at 03:53 PM

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Tcapa, I heard a rumor that Mickey has said fire breathing unicorn tattooed on his back. I can not confirm this but my cousins' girlfriends' exboyfriend said he saw it.

I don't see how one could argue with such a fact. A truly bad-ass tattoo the fire-breathing unicorn.

CR83 - 7-16-2009 at 04:02 PM

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I've seen one real brawl at a Boston show and it was at the Rat.... which closed in 1997. There is an air of tension but that's sort of what makes it great. Sorry.... there is a pecking order. Or a perceived pecking order. That's part of the thrill. If I wanted to get together with a bunch of dudes and have a love fest then I'd just go to the Ramrod.

Tcapa, I heard a rumor that Mickey has said fire breathing unicorn tattooed on his back. I can not confirm this but my cousins' girlfriends' exboyfriend said he saw it.

Mark, I'm fairly certain is was a two headed unicorn. I saw it your cousin's myspace. I pee'd a little.

tcapa - 7-16-2009 at 06:35 PM

Mark is this your cousin?

CR83 - 7-16-2009 at 07:04 PM

Hhhhhmmmm, only one head. Maybe it had a twin or something. DAMN!

XHonusWagnerX - 7-16-2009 at 08:44 PM

I respect all of you guys and your feelings and opinions, but I dont want an air of tension to the point that I feel like something could blow up. I dont want to pay to see a show thats shut down after 3 opening bands because somone leaves shouting about coming back with a gun after a fight. Maybe I'm a 'Posi Youth Dork' or something.... I dont know. I just know what I like and what I dont like...

most people (myself included) hace strong feelings on this so I'm gonna bow out of the thread.

I know what I've seen happen and I didnt like it, thats why I dont goto that many shows. I started going to shows around 1988 and back then it didnt feel the same way that it does now. Thats based on my feelings and nothing else.