blood for blood

Mark Lind - 8-31-2009 at 03:17 PM

I've been listening to a lot of Blood for Blood lately (despite my distaste for a certain member's recent online interview). And the first thing that comes to mind on virtually every song is "who the hell pissed in their Cheerios?". They really cornered the market on being ticked off.

discuss......

SS76 - 8-31-2009 at 03:52 PM

All about class envy...the haves vs the have nots. I think many of us can relate. Alot of bands are angry, but I've never heard a voice as sincere as Rob's. And nothing tops The Outlaw Anthems.

CR83 - 8-31-2009 at 04:31 PM

Agreed. It was very believable. For me I love just the flat out energy of it all. It is simple, yet so effective. It was straight forward and just powerful. Hence using it consistently to motivate or workout.

I was thinking about this over the weekend. Was it just that they hit me at the right time in my life or did they just exist in a state that was just a perfect storm for them? Not sure but they are and will be on constant rotation in my library for a very long time.

barc0debaby - 8-31-2009 at 04:55 PM

Blood for Bloods music will always occupy a special place for me, but I have found that as I progress as a person I don't enjoy listening to it anymore.

"My childhood memories are a pain ingrained in me
To reminisce is to open up old wounds I tried to leave and bury behind"

Ironically B4B sums up perfectly how I feel about alot of their music. It does bring up negative shit that is not part of my current reality and and I have no room for influences that are not uplifting or inspiring.

necrobutcher - 8-31-2009 at 05:02 PM

As much as I enjoy their early works for being full out declarations of hatred against what they found wrong with the world, I like Serenity and find it more fulfilling, especially the older I get.

It is still an angry album but there is a voice that is wise and world weary lamenting experiences. It seems like it is making peace with the way things are without compromising.

I've been wrong before.

JawnDiablo - 8-31-2009 at 05:03 PM

they're one of the only bands in that wave of hardcore (93-2002) that I could even relate to.
aside from them, and ramallah, i think the whole genre is awash with bullshit.
but that's just me.
try not to take offense.

it saddens me that they ended.

MattyA - 8-31-2009 at 06:16 PM

One of my favorite bands ever, and to me they were a positive influence in a negative way. Made me want to never go down a negative path in life.

lifeisabitch - 8-31-2009 at 06:18 PM

rob's words speak to me everyday if I listen to them or not...
I'll never fucking live like you...

Discipline - 8-31-2009 at 07:01 PM

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Originally posted by Shootingscars
All about class envy...the haves vs the have nots. I think many of us can relate. Alot of bands are angry, but I've never heard a voice as sincere as Rob's. And nothing tops The Outlaw Anthems.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

XHonusWagnerX - 8-31-2009 at 07:18 PM

one thing I always wondered was what the band thought about people that were into the music, but are really not on the level of the bands lyrics.

Like I grew up as a 'middle class white suburban nerd' so would it bother Rob if I was singing along to 'Some Kind of Hate' in my 2008 Mazda 3 on the way to work?

SS76 - 8-31-2009 at 07:54 PM

Definately not. Because you're in Slapshot. :baddevil:

morgan - 9-1-2009 at 12:23 AM

As much as I love Blood For Blood there are a lot of ways I can't relate. Grew up in a stable home, got into college, etc, etc. I got really lucky on that hand. But I really do relate to it from a mental aspect, depression, feeling like an outcast, and a ton of anger with no outlet. To me there is just something so sincere in Rob's voice that even if you can't connect to it you have to recognize and respect it.

Between having just broken up with a chick and hearing So Common So Cheap a day later and being at a point where I just had so much anger and hate for everything it just immediately grabbed my attention.

Six66Mike - 9-1-2009 at 05:03 AM

I listen to Ramallah more these days than Blood For Blood but they will always be in my top 3. First hardcore show I went to, best music to get you through any tough time, best energy you can ever get off a recorded album. Coulda done better live if they weren't so drunk whenever I saw them but obviously the drinking came with the appeal for so many fans.

mattybar - 9-1-2009 at 05:33 AM

Typical hardcore cliche but i LOVE the demo. Absolutely love it.
A lot of times when I prefer older material by a band, 9 times out of 10 it's because of the production cos i love the raw shit.
Spit My Last Breath is great too but nowhere near as good as the demo which sounds awesome to this day.
Never could get into anything they did after that though.

Jason the Magnificent - 9-1-2009 at 06:31 AM

Love the demo, Spit My Last Breath and for the most part Revenge on Society...some genuinely raw hateful shit there some people complained too much Biohazard, too much Sheer Terror....but I didn't really see that, it was too good on its own for that.

After that, they became a parody of themselves, recycling riffs and lyrics (Outlaw Anthems is basically a bunch of tape from previous B4B albums spliced together to make a new one) and cartoony caricaturish blabbering about "white trash irish pecker fuck you white trash fucker fuck your mother white trash fuck you" every three seconds. Its almost embarrassing to listen to.

mattybar - 9-1-2009 at 06:32 AM

haha i didn't want to go as far as that but basically i agree entirely.

Jason the Magnificent - 9-1-2009 at 06:39 AM

I know it's like pissing on the sacred cow around here, but everyone is grown up enough to not be butt hurt fanboys too.

I just hate that a band I was so into fell so far from grace...I realize some people love the direction they went. To each their own.

Six66Mike - 9-1-2009 at 07:32 AM

I think it was the music more than the lyrics that made Outlaw Anthems so good. It was really tight, fast, aggressive stuff. Yeah same old lyrics, but the music just seemed to be more with it than earlier recordings.

Vanilla Gorilla - 9-1-2009 at 08:15 AM

To me it almost seemed as if Rob had kind of outgrown a lot of the stuff B4B was doing, as much as I love Blood For Blood a lot of the same stuff comes up over and over again. By the time Serenity come around the lyrics were changing and i think they were getting better, and that kind of leads into the subject matter for Ramallah, which still has the anger but more diverse subject matter and different message.

I like to see bands change a little and get more mature lyrically and musically which i think blood for blood did but you also look at music differntly after 10 years a lot of us aren't the same people we were when listening to the albums when they first came out.

Jason the Magnificent - 9-1-2009 at 09:16 AM

Every band changes, thats why HC bands should call it quits and change their name every 2 albums. Keeps us grumpy fucks happy.

FWIW, I think Serenity is the best Rob era B4B album...I don't hate his music, dudes legit talented...thats a solid album with a real limit on silly cliche shit. besides the cover song...that was wack.

JawnDiablo - 9-1-2009 at 09:22 AM

I must agree the white trash mother fucker fuck you cunt cock dick shit got old after a while.
but damn the first time i heard the band i was like shit, this is it right here, finally....

bombidol - 9-1-2009 at 09:29 AM

Fuck that. Bring on the hate. A happy B4B is no use to anyone.

Mark Lind - 9-1-2009 at 10:03 AM

I don't think there are any sacred cows here. I could totally see how people might see it as getting redundant after a while. But their songwriting and sense of melody progressed as the albums went on and that makes them valuable to me. Personally I like Ramallah better but there is a special place in the coldest corner of the basement of my heart reserved for bfb.

Its funny you guys are talking about the demo. I've recently rediscovered their old stuff (hence this thread) and the demo remains one of the freshest and toughest things they ever did. I've spent all week with Jim that made these records and we've discussed them at length. He thinks that, from a production standpoint, most hardcore bands and studios are copying the sounds of revenge on society. and I know for a fact that rob hates the sounds of that record. it sounds muddy and undefined and really doesn't sound like them. and people are copying it. kinda funny.

as for relating to it, I can't speak for Rob but I grew up in the same circumstances as him for the most part and I can't relate to it all. its really all about a mindset but what do I know? its his work.

JawnDiablo - 9-1-2009 at 10:09 AM

and I know for a fact that rob hates the sounds of that record. it sounds muddy and undefined and really doesn't sound like them.
^
I always thought the same.
If it had the same production quality as later records, it would a been great.

BKT - 9-1-2009 at 11:24 AM

I love B4B and I still listen to all their albums to this day. Am I as pissed off anymore? No. Was I ever in the same spot as Rob? No and I would never want to be. I grew up good with amazing parents and so on. Does that mean I had no problems? No. I have always been an outcast. In many forms what I am all about and in to is now what many consider to be cool. Does it piss me off? Hell no mother fuckers, because it has allowed me to make $$$ off people I really don't like and that feels oh so good.

They were a great band saw them live many times and loved every show I ever saw. I will listen to B4B until the day I die.

MM.

SS76 - 9-1-2009 at 11:43 AM

Random thoughts...overall I like Ramallah better.Both albums are fucking masterpieces.First time I heard of them was on the Boston Beatdown dvd. Who Am I? is easily my favorite song of all time; of any genre of music. Basic, heavy and powerful.I'd love to hear Rob sing some more BFB songs instead of Buddha, since he pretty much wrote all the lyrics. Every time we party at this friend's house the night starts out with Goin Down The Bar. I know its a cover, but goddamn it sets the mood perfect.

CR83 - 9-1-2009 at 12:18 PM

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Originally posted by juandiablo
I must agree the white trash mother fucker fuck you cunt cock dick shit got old after a while.
but damn the first time i heard the band i was like shit, this is it right here, finally....

The first time I heard them was on a Victory Style with "Fuck you, fuck you and fuck society too!"

I exhaled and turned my car off and said, "Yep, that's what I'm looking for. Right there. It's perfect."

JawnDiablo - 9-1-2009 at 01:53 PM

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that's where I heard it too.
had the same thought patterns going on in my head too...

Vanilla Gorilla - 9-1-2009 at 02:17 PM

I think the anger in the B4B turned a lot of people onto them, anytime i meet anyone who is into hardcore or punk everyone knows them. I still listen to all their albums regularly, when your having a shitty day or week or month whatever sometimes it helps you get through it, and i think a lof of people identify with it. But some of the lyrics can be pretty alienating, kind of along the lines of what Honus stated but fuck it if you like it listen to sing it who gives a fuck, what is somebody gonna do take away your hardcore badge.