violence at shows

SAAAAARS - 6-19-2005 at 03:28 AM

tonight i saw one of the most fucked up things i've seen at a show. i've seen dudes get hurt and i've seen fights but this was awful. here's the story:

my friend christine and i were watching a band opening for slapshot, right? some dudes were there who we knew would be trouble, we just tried to avoid them. when suddenly the guy standing about 6 inches in front of us gets sucker punched and drops to the ground. tons of his friends run over to try to pick him up and they get him standing.. then he falls again. after about 5 minutes of laying on the floor he starts having multiple seizures for about 10 minutes. then i don't know what happened, an ambulance came and he went to the hospital.

so many kids were standing around making jokes. and these dudes who started the shit weren't kicked out. and they continued to do what they were doing all night with no one saying anything. this shit really bums me out on hardcore. so bad.

BDx13 - 6-19-2005 at 07:17 AM

clearly, the guy who got hit wasn't tough and the guys who hit him are cool.

JawnDiablo - 6-19-2005 at 10:26 AM

thats nothin,
in 1992 i saw bolt thrower play in either g willikers or city gardens, i forget which one, and a mob of skins beat this dude down , the aftermath was him lying on the floor uncouncious bleeding out of his ears
that kinda shit used to always happen

SAAAAARS - 6-19-2005 at 12:13 PM

well maine isn't a very violent show area. in different areas of mass, i have seen fucked up shit. but never like this to someone i knew and saw at every show.

Killthehumans - 6-19-2005 at 12:18 PM

ussually slapshot doesnt stand for that shit, did they say anything?

JawnDiablo - 6-19-2005 at 01:17 PM

a guy gave me a copy of boston beatdown 2....that was some ugly shit going on....is that typical boston, or just a collection of worst case scenarios?

SAAAAARS - 6-19-2005 at 01:39 PM

nope, they didn't say anything.

and i've only seen boston beatdown type of shit happen a few times i was there. but, i'm not down there that much, so someone who lives there could probably answer this better.

BDx13 - 6-19-2005 at 05:07 PM

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Originally posted by juandiablo
thats nothin,
in 1992 i saw bolt thrower play in either g willikers or city gardens, i forget which one, and a mob of skins beat this dude down , the aftermath was him lying on the floor uncouncious bleeding out of his ears
that kinda shit used to always happen

I was at that show at G Willikers. All I remember is...
1. skinheads were in the majority
2. being in the crowd, stuck in a sea of sieg heils
3. the bolt thrower roadie, who must have been 60 years old and seven feet tall, standing in the middle of the pit throwing baldies around by the neck
4. the chick in bolt thrower bashin' some guy with her bass

jason kills - 6-19-2005 at 06:12 PM

violence always has been at shows and always will be at shows. i hear people talk about how they hate it when dudes settle beef at shows. i have no problem with that at all. a lot of times, the only way you can really get to people is at shows.

i like fights at shows. they're fun to get into, to start, to watch. what really pisses me off is bands that whine about fights, bands that stop playing and bitch about it. i got into a fight at a most precious blood show, and that dude started bitching about something gay and wouldn't hand me the mic afterwards. gay.

and, as far as "bullies" are concerned, do something about it. take a fucking tire iron to one of those dudes. if you have friends, they'll be there to watch your back. grab a stool from teh bar and smash the dude with it. if they have been causing shit all night and everyone's pissed about it, no one is going to care, and if cops get called, "they swung first".

SAAAAARS - 6-19-2005 at 08:22 PM

it's different when it's fsu in a room of 16 year olds

JawnDiablo - 6-19-2005 at 10:17 PM

yep duane..thats the show
i was at another doozy around 95 or so
it was clutch / tad /and a few others at the middle east in philly
a slew of drunken nazi skins from jersey or somewhere showed up..there was this one knucklehead with the word MURDERER tattooed on his head...anyway the security for the place was a bunch of big weightlifting black dudes...first the skins were taunting Tad, then Tad taunted them back mocking their seig heils and so on...the last thing i remember is the bass player swinging his bass like a bat at the one guy, and then there was a huge rukus going on, down the stairs, onto the sidewalk, show got shut down and from what i heard an interacial couple got beat down in their path on 2nd street......and clutch never even played......ripoff

clevohardcore - 6-19-2005 at 11:04 PM

Fighting. All that shit is old. It gets no one anywhere. If someone fucks around with someone they should get beat. Problem is they are fucking with someone who came to the show to kick it and watch a band and not to fight. Go fuck with someone else who is willing to fight. Thats a challenge. Fighting some innocent fucker is nothing and it's weak.

Ben-G - 6-20-2005 at 12:35 AM

In Houston there are never any figths at real hardcore shows, only when sick mosh bands OR "big" bands play then there is fight, mostly its started by kids who think are tough because they listen to On Broken Wings or some fucking "grindcore" band. :cool:

forsaken - 6-20-2005 at 04:18 AM

I'm not really down with violence at shows, and definetly not down with it happening at ALL AGES shows ... I'd rather have some kickass fun scene where everyoen can get loose without havign to worry about that shit. I live in a bad area, if I want to see a fight I'll go to the train station ... I go to shows to have fun and get loose.

but if it happens, fuck ... what can ya do? Either break it up or join in. shit happens, i found if you just keep ur nose clean everything is just peachy.

ENDERA.x - 6-20-2005 at 04:25 AM

this post is being written at 4:30 AM

"what can ya do? Either break it up or join in. shit happens, i found if you just keep ur nose clean everything is just peachy."

yup..
or just watch. it aint my problem unless its getting in my way of having a good time.

alotta kids need a fuckin kick in the head though. seriously.
in alotta areas its become a so so-called posi loving eachother enviroment that nothing goes down and its shit talking online and mumbling such inane things as "homo" to kids as they walk past you outside the show who you claim to not like and never gave a reason for it...

when there is a fight here though its usually some jock kid who comes outta no where off the street or its some metal fag, or a grindcore mathcore emoscreamo what the fuck ever kid who thinks he knows what "scene" means and needs to prove it.

sad sad. sad.
there are no real hardcore shows here (*shows here with hardcore bands and no fights doesnt mean its real, or rather, my idea of whats real) because to me all the majority of the "scene" here are 'posi' youth crew kids that do nothing but talk shit and contradict eachother constantly talkin behind one anothers backs and all that

fuck its inane, (and anyone that feels that im talking shit on them and because of that im contradicting myself right now well wake up im speaking my mind and bitching about kids who deserve it now reread the last few lines)

they hate on me too because I'm basically the only one here that listens to and reps the heavy shit and the thugcore, hiphop and even some posi youth crew oldschool style shit ya know they cant handle that much variety in one person or are afraid ill expose them to themselves (oh, yeah)

fighting at shows - well id like to see more here honestly.
it needs a stir.

i think thats why when kids here started seeing some Crew action they got afraid and started talkin mad shit on the crew believing that its a threat to their ways and it would tear them down, bring the bullshit to light or rather where it should be dealt with and not dreamly spoken or sung

your damn right its 'time for a change'

ps - bands that stop playing for a fight, well ill say that if i was in a band and playing, im not sure whether i would stop playing or not. it would probably depend on what exactly was happening.
on that note:
how many band mambers here have stopped playing during a fight?
hell, give em some motivation music.

this is war music here ! hardcore
not politicaly aware love the world hate the establishment punk rock

its right here the problems we face amongst ourselves are those that we must become aware of and take care of/rectify - continue to do so for as long as it takes even if it seems impossible

im tired time for bed.

KyleOz - 6-20-2005 at 06:26 AM

As long as it doesn't affect whether the venue can put on shows or not, let them kick each other's teeth in.

ENDERA.x - 6-20-2005 at 09:21 AM

Yeah ^

SAAAAARS - 6-20-2005 at 03:27 PM

i like being able to sing along and run around and have fun when i'm seeing bands i like. when theres a dude walking around knocking kids out, i can't.

godabandonedme - 6-20-2005 at 04:26 PM

I guess it was like 2 years ago Freddy Madball dropped the sound guy at the troc cause the mic wasn't working on their opening song. I though it was quite funny. He apologized to him though...Then when skarhead beat up a couple manson kids cause they spit up at them that was hilarious. I remember seeing a few good ones back in like 95-98 but I don't go to to many shows anymore so....

JawnDiablo - 6-20-2005 at 04:57 PM

the last madball / h2o show at the troc had a huge brawl on the floor..i was pretty drunk by that time and it just looked like a swarm of bees..
whatd he say that time after dropping the mike..somethin like "welcome to the madball show?"

JawnDiablo - 6-20-2005 at 04:58 PM

isnt it about time for another madball/h2o troc show seems like they do it every summer

godabandonedme - 6-20-2005 at 05:12 PM

yea that was the show, but I didn't stick around for h20........

clarence_boddicker - 6-20-2005 at 06:32 PM

Misfits, SOIA, H20 in Cleveland a few years back, plenty of SHARPs in the crowd, they kicked some punk's teeth in, he was in the bathroom with his front teeth mangled and pushed up into his gums. Pretty nasty.

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clevohardcore - 6-20-2005 at 11:42 PM

That MISGFITS SOIA and H2O show at the CLEVELAND AGORA was a great show. I remember that place being packed and drinking lots O beer.

thedog - 6-21-2005 at 12:53 AM

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Originally posted by godabandonedme
I guess it was like 2 years ago Freddy Madball dropped the sound guy at the troc cause the mic wasn't working on their opening song. I though it was quite funny. He apologized to him though...Then when skarhead beat up a couple manson kids cause they spit up at them that was hilarious. I remember seeing a few good ones back in like 95-98 but I don't go to to many shows anymore so....

i was there for both these shows,
both were pretty funny.

Todd - 6-22-2005 at 11:05 AM

I have actually fallen off the stage watching a fight at one of many All Out War/Starkweather shows/boxing matches. I was laughing so hard and was so intent on watching the fight that I stepped right off the front of the stage and almost ate shit. Luckily the show was only about 2 1/2 feet high. No band in the history of music has been a greater soundtrack to violence than All Out War, except for the Stones at Altamont.

Endera, about "metal fags"...that's not nice

gavin - 6-22-2005 at 11:14 AM

speaking of the stones at altamont, gimme shelter rules
if youz havent seen it, youz should
"i'd like to thank the hells angels for punching my guitar player marty in the face and knocking him out"
HAHA
awesome

moron - 6-22-2005 at 11:15 AM

Im a non-violent person, so Im pretty glad most people seem to get along at the shows I go to. Or at least if people arent getting along they dont interrupt my good time.

SAAAAARS - 6-22-2005 at 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by moron
Im a non-violent person, so Im pretty glad most people seem to get along at the shows I go to. Or at least if people arent getting along they dont interrupt my good time.

it's nice to see someone else isn't obsessed with fights and violence..

Discipline - 6-22-2005 at 04:53 PM

I just don't have time for that shit. The only time I've gotten in a fight at a show was when some 15 yr old edge kid smacked my beer out of my hand to show his friends how "edge" he was. I taught him the error of his ways. Other then that, I have no time for fighting at shows. I go to see bands I like, have a few beers, and have a good time.

Todd - 6-22-2005 at 09:33 PM

I agree with the whole tiresome violence thing. If I want to see people fight I'll watch boxing or something like that. Kind of why I like playing for "metal fags" (no, I'm not gonna let that one go). We've been talking about putting a screen in front of the stage and playing movies on it so we don't have to look at peoples stupid behavior. I went to see Hate Eternal the other night and the only retards that acted up were hardcore guys showing how hard they were to a bunch of metal heads that just wanted to watch the band.

Unbound - 6-23-2005 at 03:01 AM

I live in a small town so violence at shows really isn't an issue. Fights happen outside the venues at times, but it is hardly ever related to the show. One time a dude I know got beaten up by his ex-girlfriends dad outside of a show, it was pretty funny. Cowboy boots definitely leave black eyes.

And off topic, Hate Eternal rules, and metal fans are generally more about having a good time and watching bands then swinging thier arms and walking around like gorillas. Moshing is cool, but this arm swinging, kung fu stuff looks stupid and you totally know that half of these kids stand in front of the mirror at home practising this shit.