Where are you on these new TSA procedures?

BDx13 - 11-27-2010 at 05:40 PM

You know, the full-body scanners and enhanced pat downs?

I understand the desire/need to keep people safe when traveling, but is subjecting yourself or your family to being photographed nude and/or intimately searched by a TSA agent worth it?

There have been countless articles about this recently, but here's a quick recap and FAQ from cnet: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20023773-281.html

DaveMoral - 11-27-2010 at 06:26 PM

It's not a simple answer for me. I won't likely be taking a train anywhere. Most likely I'll just not fly anywhere and thus stay close to home when taking time off unless it's somewhere within a day's drive. My wife and son are flying to Oregon in January and it bothers me that she'll be subjected to this. She'll surely be "randomly" selected.

Also, it pisses me off the assumption that these procedures are necessary or even useful at all. Hijackings were pretty damned rare before 9/11, just as rare after, and these procedures weren't necessary. Shoe bomber, underwear bomber, it's passenger vigilance and Air Marshalls that stopped those guys. NOT TSA. You're more likely to die in a car accident than be on an airliner hijacked by a terrorist.

Six66Mike - 11-27-2010 at 06:28 PM

If I was in the US I'd be on the train. If I was flying Australia to Canada I'd fly through Asia instead of the US or go Sydney to Vancouver to Toronto. They were talking about bringing the scanners here and I think they are, not looking forward to it. If you think I'm gonna blow up a plane when I'm boarding with my wife and 3 kids then you're a fucking idiot.

random - 11-27-2010 at 06:34 PM

Retarded shit like this makes me more than happy to consider taking jobs outside the US when I finish up what I'm doing now and never come back. In all seriousness, going through airport security in China was a breeze (and, honestly, quite nice, since they didn't even make me get out the wheelchair for the metal detector... they just pulled out the wand to check me and put down the arm wrests) compared to the US. If a regime that oppressive can maintain security and be polite while doing it, the US has no excuse.

This is all just a bunch of oppressive bullshit to encroach on civil liberties and make people feel "safe" while not actually doing anything to make people safer.

Oh, and fuck TSA and their shitbag employees. They're the mother fuckers who wished they could be bullies but didn't have the ability, so they chose the next best thing when it came to careers.

JawnDiablo - 11-27-2010 at 06:53 PM

I don't travel, so I don't care.
but if I absolutely had to, if someone wants a photo of my wang to feel safer, then here's my wang in an x ray.

Six66Mike - 11-27-2010 at 07:46 PM

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Originally posted by random
Retarded shit like this makes me more than happy to consider taking jobs outside the US when I finish up what I'm doing now and never come back. In all seriousness, going through airport security in China was a breeze (and, honestly, quite nice, since they didn't even make me get out the wheelchair for the metal detector... they just pulled out the wand to check me and put down the arm wrests) compared to the US. If a regime that oppressive can maintain security and be polite while doing it, the US has no excuse.

This is all just a bunch of oppressive bullshit to encroach on civil liberties and make people feel "safe" while not actually doing anything to make people safer.

Oh, and fuck TSA and their shitbag employees. They're the mother fuckers who wished they could be bullies but didn't have the ability, so they chose the next best thing when it came to careers.

Yeah I went through Hong Kong twice in 2003, just before SARS broke out and in July when it was wrapping up. Both times it was real nice to go through, no problems, even with the SARS scare on the way back the screening was a breeze.

But when going through Hawaii to Canada in 2007 it was shit. Middle of the night, re-fuelling stop only but we had to get off the plane, clear customs, take my shoes off, go through security even though we did a security check in Sydney. I was fucking tired and kept bumping the scanner as I walked through, setting it off. Security dude gets pissed off and yells at me for hitting the sides. Then we stand and wait wihile 2 people check the entire plane through customs...

Fuck travelling through the US, never again.

Murk - 11-27-2010 at 07:49 PM

if you believe the government explanation of 9-11, then it's worth noting that these new security measures wouldn't have stopped the 19.

all of this TSA stuff makes me sick, as do the people who try to justify it.

remember when people use to say, "if we change the way we live, then the terrorists win"?

looking back on the last 9 years, the terrorists have achieved a "shutout".

we've had "papers please" for many years now, it was only a matter of time before they took it to the next level.

Six66Mike - 11-27-2010 at 07:49 PM

Also some other articles:

New Jersey wants to ban the scans - http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=21975
High dose radiation from full body scans - http://douglassreport.com/2010/07/18/airport-scanner-radiati...
Claims the TSA is a Gestapo empire - http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22047

:wink2:

barc0debaby - 11-27-2010 at 08:13 PM

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I don't travel, so I don't care.

Took the words right outta my mouth.

JawnDiablo - 11-27-2010 at 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by barc0debaby

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I don't travel, so I don't care.

Took the words right outta my mouth.

I wasn't trying to sound like a dick or anything, but this is just another of those things that has no effect on me or my family of poor non traveling folk.
not for nothing, but I bet the people working the airports are already tired of naked images and frisking people in airports might be one of the worst jobs to have in my opinion.

tireironsaint - 11-27-2010 at 10:22 PM

This shit's ridiculous and useless. Everything I've read about these things so far says that they won't even pick up most things people would be taking aboard a plane with the intention of blowing shit up and that even something that should be pretty obvious like say... a boxcutter, could be slipped through this scanner very easily. Another thing I was reading recently pointed out the fact that although the TSA is always very quick to announce it whenever they stop someone from bringing "prohibited items" onboard a plane, not one single instance of them stopping a terrorist threat has been recorded.

newbreedbrian - 11-28-2010 at 12:16 AM

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Originally posted by tireironsaint
This shit's ridiculous and useless.

JawnDiablo - 11-28-2010 at 12:38 AM

it won't stop Keister Stashing.....

lifeisabitch - 11-28-2010 at 01:40 AM

no scanner or pat downs on my trip from NOLA to Jersey
the terrorists don't like cities of sin I guess...

it wont be long before tsa are on trains and buses as well...
and yeah it fucking sucks

clevohardcore - 11-28-2010 at 02:34 AM

That video where they are shacking down the young child with his dad. Fuck all that shit. They made that boy get naked in front of everyone out in line.

This is the vid.

Jason the Magnificent - 11-28-2010 at 07:43 AM

I'm not going to pretend this is any more of a violation of my privacy than anything else the government does on a daily basis. I travel pretty frequently for work...I'd gladly let TSA rub my balls and ass crack if Uncle Sam would get out of my pockets...we're all his whore anyway.

and that kids father could have easily requested that search be taken elsewhere..HE's the one that wanted to expedite things by doing it there on the spot.

is it retarded that they're doing this to women and children? sure it is...but are we as Americans seriously going to chose this as the moment we wake up. that's some lol shit there.

BDx13 - 1-11-2011 at 06:51 PM

maybe i'm a giant fucking prude, but i just don't think my family should have to subject themselves to either being photographed (essentially) nude or getting felt up before boarding a plane.

this made me laugh: little:http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/01/11/tsa.scanner.underwear/index.html

although the last two paragraphs kind of blow my mind:

...public opinion polls have shown most Americans support the use of advanced imaging technology.

Meanwhile, a recent survey conducted for the U.S. Travel Association found taking off shoes before going through a metal detector ranked more negatively than both pat-down body searches and full body X-ray scanning.

clevohardcore - 1-12-2011 at 12:12 AM

I don't agree with it. Not trying to be a bitch or dick or whatever but the idea of my wife and kid being frisked and photographed pisses me off. I don't even like posting pics of em on facebook. I love em with all my heart and proud of them, but I like the privacy. I would not be happy if it got invasive when we do eventually travel.

jonnynewbreed - 1-12-2011 at 07:37 AM

I fly a lot for work and most recently flew to Ottawa, our nations capitol, for business last week. Both on the way there and back I somehow made it to the enhanced search isle and chose the full body scan as I don't like dudes patting me down. I felt like a bit of an invasion and it was totally unnecessary.

JawnDiablo - 1-12-2011 at 07:46 AM

If possible I'd chose trains.
I like trains.

jcarter - 1-12-2011 at 03:27 PM

I hate flying. With the full body scan, I hope they at least give you a chance to get chubbed up before they photograph your peesh.

LordActionWood - 1-12-2011 at 06:18 PM

Will be going through airport security wearing a cock ring and jesus shaped butt plug in case I get the full body scan.

BDx13 - 1-12-2011 at 06:51 PM

oh shit! speaking of which...
it just now dawned on me that piercings are sure to show up in dem scans, huh?
should be fun answering THOSE questions in front of the kids.

morgan - 1-12-2011 at 10:19 PM

Dear TSA:
Just let me walk through a metal detector, hell I'll even take my shows off if it makes makes you happy, otherwise just leave the the fuck alone and let me go about my business.

morgan - 1-12-2011 at 10:20 PM

Next thing you know they'll be confiscating peoples shoelaces.

tireironsaint - 1-12-2011 at 11:52 PM

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Originally posted by BD
oh shit! speaking of which...
it just now dawned on me that piercings are sure to show up in dem scans, huh?
should be fun answering THOSE questions in front of the kids.

Hell, piercings have been an issue for a while, what with metal detectors and shit. I remember reading about a woman who had her nipple rings removed by security with a pair of pliers they had on hand. Shit's all fucked up. Makes me wanna get my junk all pierced up just to provoke the issue.

morgan - 1-13-2011 at 01:10 AM

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Originally posted by tireironsaint

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Originally posted by BD
oh shit! speaking of which...
it just now dawned on me that piercings are sure to show up in dem scans, huh?
should be fun answering THOSE questions in front of the kids.

Weird... I've never had an issue with setting off metal detectors with my lip ring.

BDx13 - 1-13-2011 at 01:25 AM

i set one off years ago when i had more piercings, but not since i pulled most out.
i'm sure the genital piercings yield a double take every time.
now i'm kinda excited to go through one!

Colin - 1-13-2011 at 12:42 PM

last time I flew, which I should be doing again in less than a month, I was surprised that all they did was a metal detector, making me take my belt & wallet off, shoes off, & let me go through with a tube of toothpaste in my backpack I was trying to ask them if I could carry it on (obviously not), but they were too busy hassling an old lady who had like 20 bottles of toiletries, so I just went on anyway. I find it funny that for all these silly safety precautions, they can't even get it right.

Colin - 1-13-2011 at 12:47 PM

& as far as keeping people safe, I won't even get into that because I don't believe 9/11 happened like the government tells us anyway. I myself do not get on a plane fearful of terrorists, I'm fearful of turbulence. I'll keep taking planes because I have nothing to hide, but if I had a family & they wanted to strip search them, I'd not be too happy at all

Colin - 1-13-2011 at 12:58 PM

wow, just right now saw on FB a good friend of mine was "randomly" chosen in an airport security line to have her hands swabbed with a cloth & entered into a machine(?!) She happens to be covered in tattoos, piercings & dreadlocks, making me wonder about the "randomness" of their choice. Do they really think that someone who already sticks out in a crowd is gonna be a terrorist? I'd be searching the most average looking business man with a briefcase if I was working that job

BDx13 - 7-21-2011 at 02:47 PM

see, was this so hard?
http://news.yahoo.com/u-airport-body-scanners-nix-naked-imag...

morgan - 7-21-2011 at 04:56 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BDx13

see, was this so hard?
http://news.yahoo.com/u-airport-body-scanners-nix-naked-imag...

This seems more reasonable.

BDx13 - 7-21-2011 at 06:33 PM

COMPLETELY.

i'm not a prude person, but i still fail to see how people are so ok with having themselves and their family photographed essentially nude just so they could ride a plane. i understand the need for security and i understand that there are people who will go to any length to hurt americans, but in my opinion, it's playing to people's fears and it's not reasonable.

Jason the Magnificent - 7-22-2011 at 06:07 AM

I guess I don't understand the big deal...you're not going through that scanner in any order...there's no way to attach that image to you personally unless you have some evil supergenius instead of the normal mouthbreather TSA agent.

I fly frequently for work...I'm all for anything that keeps the damn line moving faster.

JawnDiablo - 7-22-2011 at 06:13 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Blackout Colin

wow, just right now saw on FB a good friend of mine was "randomly" chosen in an airport security line to have her hands swabbed with a cloth & entered into a machine(?!) She happens to be covered in tattoos, piercings & dreadlocks, making me wonder about the "randomness" of their choice. Do they really think that someone who already sticks out in a crowd is gonna be a terrorist? I'd be searching the most average looking business man with a briefcase if I was working that job

I got the swab thing in Philly's airport.
I was in the concentration booth for about 40 seconds

JawnDiablo - 7-22-2011 at 06:15 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Jason the Magnificent

I guess I don't understand the big deal...you're not going through that scanner in any order...there's no way to attach that image to you personally unless you have some evil supergenius instead of the normal mouthbreather TSA agent.

I fly frequently for work...I'm all for anything that keeps the damn line moving faster.

it's all just government bs used to filter money into shams like the dept of homeland security etc.....
most of the people working airport security that i have seen in my latest journeys are right on par with the average walmart idiot.