Hobbit Trailer

Jason the Magnificent - 12-20-2011 at 11:36 PM

http://trailers.apple.com/movies/wb/thehobbit1/thehobbit-tlr...

can not wait.

sentrand - 12-21-2011 at 07:59 AM

damn thats a long wait!

BDx13 - 12-21-2011 at 01:26 PM

i re-read the whole lot before the las three were released; looks like i'll have to re-read that first book again.

Jason the Magnificent - 12-21-2011 at 01:50 PM

It's a quick read...I recently re-read it out of boredom and not feeling any of the other books I have piled up. Think I burnt through it in a weekend.

It will be interesting to see where they split the movies up. They're adding quite a bit of material from the appendices of LotR to fill in the blanks of what was happening every time Gandalf left all of them to fend for themselves throughout the story. Most notably the White Council casting the Necromancer from Dol Guldur, which in non geek speak means we should get to see a crazy wizard fight involving Gandalf, Saruman and Galadriel (among others) vs Sauron.

I'd imagine the first one will end shortly before they enter Mirkwood saving any reveal of Smaug until sometime in early '13. I know that Guillermo Del Toro was largely responsible for his design (way back when he was still directing) giving a nod to Vermithrax from Dragonslayer and saying Smaug HAD to be the movie dragon to end all movie dragons.

While 2 movies is obviously at least in part a cash grab I can't imagine better source material to grab "fluff" from.

BDx13 - 12-21-2011 at 01:58 PM

they're doing the hobbit as two movies? somehow i missed that. fine by me - one of the few franchises i'm genuinely interested in more from.

Jason the Magnificent - 12-21-2011 at 02:12 PM

Yep, First one The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey is Dec '12 and The Hobbit: there and Back Again is Dec '13.

After those two I can't see them making any more movies, especially Jackson as these have basically taken 15 years of his life (and made him assloads of cash).

It's possible Children of Hurin could be adapted at some point but the only other "complete" book the Silmarillion is way to epic to even attempt.

DaveMoral - 12-21-2011 at 11:11 PM

I am super stoker for this movie. It makes sense to do it in two films for no other reason than to make it ever more so a prequel to LOTR. If they didn't include the White Council stuff all that would connect it is Bilbo getting the One Ring in what is on the face of it just a small part of the tale that doesn't carry the weight that it actually has as a plot point fir LOTR.

The whole movie is shot in 3d, so that should be cool. I watched a video diary from Jackson today and he said he would have shot LOTR in 3d had it been manageable.

Jason the Magnificent - 12-22-2011 at 05:43 AM

Yeah its not only 3D but some crazy hi def film that is beyond human comprehension...mine anyway lol. So this isn;t going to be some Piranha 3D, but completely genre defining bar setting 3D ala Avatar.

The more I think about it...I really can't figure out where they'd split these two movies to give the 1st a climax...

You figure in the 2nd one...not only do they have all the shit with Smaug...but you also have the Battle of Five Armies, which you know PJ is going to completely blow his wad on if Helms Deep and Pelennor both set their respective benchmarks.

Maybe after they escape Mirkwood? But that would be a lot to pack in the first movie. I can't see the escape from Goblin Town or the wargs shortly after as a dramatic climax, but maybe they get beefed up.

DaveMoral - 12-22-2011 at 09:07 AM

The escape from Goblin Town and the wargs makes sense. The rescue by the eagles would work. Plus, Bilbo has the ring at that point. That is going to be made a muchlarger story point than Tolkien originally made it.

Funny thing is how the tone is going to be pretty different from the book, which is after all a children's story. I think the movies will be more in line with LOTR.

Jason the Magnificent - 12-22-2011 at 09:14 AM

Yeah, plus after the eagles, Beorns place would be a nice start to pt 2.

There definitely will be a different tone, but I think it will also steer towards the Hobbit lighter fare too since it seems they're adding the songs in.

So stoked.

Discipline - 12-22-2011 at 12:01 PM

I could never get into the LOTR books. Wasn't big on the movies either. I'll be passing on seeing The Hobbit.

DaveMoral - 12-22-2011 at 01:56 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Jason the Magnificent

Yeah, plus after the eagles, Beorns place would be a nice start to pt 2.

There definitely will be a different tone, but I think it will also steer towards the Hobbit lighter fare too since it seems they're adding the songs in.

So stoked.

Man, I always loved the songs. I wish Tom Bombadil would have been in LOTR.

Jason the Magnificent - 12-22-2011 at 02:18 PM

It would have been interesting...but I don't know how that would have translated to the screen.

I think that's the one thing I'm glad he left out. He would have been the Middle Earth Jar-Jar.

DaveMoral - 12-22-2011 at 03:55 PM

LOL!

Jason the Magnificent - 7-30-2012 at 12:50 PM

Just confirmed, two movies have now become three.

I'm actually less concerned about this than the 2. Two movies was stretching the Hobbit storyline out by interweaving portions of the appendices. But, three means (since they cant really stretch the Hobbit itself out any further), means we're going to get a crap ton of the appendices on screen...which could mean anything from the rise of the Witch King to the War of Dwarves and Orcs. Geek squeel.

DaveMoral - 7-30-2012 at 03:56 PM

Yeah, this is going to be crazy. I'm not familiar enough with the appendices but there has to be more with Bilbo than is in the book. I don t think they'll leave him aside for the third film. The question is how do they make it all flow together seamlessly.

clevohardcore - 7-30-2012 at 04:13 PM

I saw this during the ICEAGE movie. I was not into ROTR movies, but this looks really cool.

Jason the Magnificent - 7-30-2012 at 04:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DaveMoral

Yeah, this is going to be crazy. I'm not familiar enough with the appendices but there has to be more with Bilbo than is in the book. I don t think they'll leave him aside for the third film. The question is how do they make it all flow together seamlessly.

They're saying that 1 is Dec 2012, 2 is Dec 2013 and 3 is Summer 2014....that kind of makes me think that 2 and 3 are going to be more of a split, with not a lot of changes to 1 as it currently stands.

After all...they're not going to be able to get too much filmed in the next 6 months and prepared for part 1 unless there's zero FX involved.

DaveMoral - 8-1-2012 at 03:51 PM

Yeah.

Jason the Magnificent - 9-19-2012 at 12:40 PM

fuck. fuck. fuck.

DaveMoral - 9-20-2012 at 05:56 PM

I'm stoked.

clevohardcore - 9-20-2012 at 08:22 PM

Can someone put in chronological order of this story. I've never seen any of these or read the books. This movie looks really rad, much better than the LOTR series. Since I am a reading champ these days, I think I'd like to read up on them before this movie comes out next winter.

Jason the Magnificent - 9-21-2012 at 05:26 AM

It's just one book. The Hobbit.

There's 4 "complete" stories by Tolkien: The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings, Children of Hurin and The Silmarillion. Then there is billions of pages of incomplete legends and smaller stories.

The Hobbit is essentially The Hobbit which is pretty short so they interwove the story with elements from the appendices of Lord of the Rings, one because it would give them filler for more movies and two...because Tolkiens "filler" is better than everyone elses non filler. Events in The Hobbit and the LOTR appendices lead up to Lord of the Rings, so essentially in the end you're going to have a 6 movie series telling one complete story between all 3 Hobbit movies and all three LotR.

Children of Hurin and the Silmarillion are essentially the "greek mythology" of Tolkiens universe...to all the obscure references to ages past in TH and LOTR are basically fleshed out in there. So those would chronologically be prior to TH and LOTR...but I wouldn't recommend them unless you're really in love with the other books. Children is the easier read of the two.

BDx13 - 9-21-2012 at 12:35 PM

nice. i'm a fan of Martin Freeman from love actually and sherlock. he's kinda quirky, which could be funny. as in the trailer when he has that exchange w/ gollum.

clevo, read the hobbit. it's only one book. if you like it, move on to the three books that make up the lord of the rings.

i never red children or silmarillion. i tried once as a kid and was wholly confused.

Jason the Magnificent - 9-21-2012 at 12:43 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BDx13

nice. i'm a fan of Martin Freeman from love actually and sherlock. he's kinda quirky, which could be funny. as in the trailer when he has that exchange w/ gollum.

clevo, read the hobbit. it's only one book. if you like it, move on to the three books that make up the lord of the rings.

i never red children or silmarillion. i tried once as a kid and was wholly confused.

Silmarillion is a very difficult read.

Children is one of the stories fleshed out from the Silmarillion. Christopher Tolkien essentially had enough extra material and notes to expand on the story enough to make it a novel, its between the Hobbit and LOTR as far as reading difficulty...it's short and very dark, probably Tolkiens darkest work.

BDx13 - 12-5-2012 at 12:06 AM

some interesting comments here.

initial review:
http://news.yahoo.com/review-hobbit-suffers-story-bloat-2131...

about the experience of the doubled frame rate:
http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/warning-hobbit-may-...

Jason the Magnificent - 12-5-2012 at 06:19 AM

Yeah it's been getting mixed reviews, not surprising, its a different tone than LotR which is the last thing on the average persons mind and appendices or not the story is stretched thin to make 3 movies. So at least one of the movies would have to suffer from some degree of filler to flesh out the others. Hopefully thats not the case with all of them.

I'd go see it regardless though, cant wait. The 48FPS is actually playing in surprisingly few theaters so I think that's less of an issue than some of these articles are making it out to be...but if that's the direction of things to come...

DaveMoral - 12-6-2012 at 08:50 AM

If 48fps is that big of a different it just means they are probably going to have to do a ton more location or green screen shoots, and work it out so make up is less obvious.

BDx13 - 12-6-2012 at 08:54 PM

i plan to seek out the 48 fps.
don;t care how drawn out it is - i'm anxious to see the story on the big screen.

Jason the Magnificent - 12-8-2012 at 02:44 PM

From what it sounds like the 48 FPS is making things seem more "made for TV" feeling in reference to set details.

BDx13 - 12-9-2012 at 01:22 PM

list of 48fps theaters:
http://www.48fpsmovies.com/48-fps-theater-list/

DaveMoral - 12-9-2012 at 03:14 PM

I'll probably go check it out at KOP in IMAX. I'm assuming IMAX will be strictly 3D, which I'm not sure I want to do.... but I intend to see this movie again Xmas week, and I'll be in Indiana so it'll probably be 24fps and 2D. Hopefully I'll be able to swing a 3rd time too.

I didn't even do multiple viewings for The Avengers or The Dark Knight Rises... so that's something. Let alone Star Wars Episode I 3D... which, while the second weakest of the 6 movies, is odd for me. BTW, next fall Star Wars 3D continues with Episode II and 2 weeks later Episode III. So hopefully the original trilogy will be in theaters in 2014.

BDx13 - 12-10-2012 at 02:21 AM

did you go to the marathon? i really wanted to, but just couldn't bring myself to do it. planning a home marathon soon.

when was the episode I 3d? wasn't that the beginning of 2012? and we have to wait until the end of 2013 for the next two? i was under the impression they'd be annual releases.

DaveMoral - 12-10-2012 at 03:53 PM

I didn't go to the marathon. My wife did not approve. I'll paraphrase "you're going to go see movies, that you own, in the theater for 13 hours and leave me home alone with 2 kids?" I might do a marathon at home, though I watched Return of the King on Thanksgiving. I'm reading The Two Towers to Seamus currently. We've been working on the whole series, starting with The Hobbit, since last March. We've needed a few breaks.

I don't know why the Star Wars 3D releases ended up delayed, might be connected with the Disney purchase and plans for the Sequel Trilogy. They are probably going to be using funds from the 3D releases to help fund the ST, just like they used funds from the Special Edition releases in 1997 to pay for Episode I.

BDx13 - 12-10-2012 at 10:50 PM

that was my logic for the marathon as well. i really want to see them on the big screen again, but i'd feel like a dick disappearing from 11am until 1am to go watch movies...by myself. that said, my wife was fine with it. the nerd level of going to a lotr marathon was a bigger concern for her than me begin gone all day. ha!

Jason the Magnificent - 12-11-2012 at 06:30 AM

It's only happening at one theater by me way up north or I might have done it. I hate driving up there.

That being said I have my tickets for Friday 3D IMAX.

Jason the Magnificent - 12-15-2012 at 11:20 AM

Saw it last night. I can see where people would say the movie "dragged" as that seems to be the largest critique. In a culture of ADD now now now payoff big blockbusters...it would seem long winded.

This is the anti-blockbuster blockbuster, to a fan of Tolkiens works it was nothing short of magic. The biggest problem with LotR was the large amounts of material that never made it into the movies due to time constraints. There is none of that here, seeing extra misc stuff from the appendices sprinkled in with the Hobbit narrative leaves you a long fleshed out journey with more than what you could ever ask for.

Some of the extras are stretched a bit as far as how they try to tie them in with the story, but the joy of seeing even a segment of something like the War of Dwarves and Orcs on screen, regardless of it's skewed elements, eclipsed any feeling of forced entry to me.

You get to see Smaug attack fucking Dale for Christs sakes...and dwarf women.

Nerd out.

DaveMoral - 12-15-2012 at 01:01 PM

Awesome. I'm going to a real, dome, IMAX for it this afternoon. Gotta get there early to get optimal seating.

Jason the Magnificent - 12-15-2012 at 02:35 PM

The 3D was really underplayed, for the most part...there wasn't a lot of "oh look stuff is coming at!" type me parts...that being said, I'm not entirely sure it's needed.

In the next week or so I'm going to see it 2D w/ my nephew, then at some point I'll go see the 48FPS before it's out of theatres.

They were giving away character posters last night too. The parchment looking drawings of Bilbo, Thorin, Gollum and Gandalf that have been floating around the net. Kind of cool...but I dont know what the hell I'm going to do with a poster of Gandalf so I moved on lol.

DaveMoral - 12-15-2012 at 11:03 PM

I loved it. And props to my 6 year old for holding his piss for the last hour of the movie!

Jason the Magnificent - 12-16-2012 at 08:43 AM

I didn't drink anything for like 2 hrs before lol...I'm like an old man in movies...I'm always having to get up and piss.

Which version did you see?

DaveMoral - 12-16-2012 at 09:04 AM

I think it was 24fps. For some reason I got the impression the Tuttleman IMAX wasn't HFR. Not 3D either.

I'm going to have to go to one of the less authentic IMAX screens for the HFR 3D. Plus, I really want to see that Man of Steel trailer in a movie theater.

Jason the Magnificent - 12-16-2012 at 10:07 AM

Yeah, they had the Supes trailer on the IMAX 3D by me.

There's too many versions...but at least that makes me feel marginally less pathetic seeing it multiple times. I think I'm actually looking forward to seeing it in plain old 2D the most...those glasses were bugging the piss out of me the other night.

BDx13 - 12-16-2012 at 02:30 PM

can't stand wearing the 3d glasses...on top or regular glasses. that shit doesn't work.

the whole 'having to pee while watching a movie' thing is definitely becoming more of an issue. esp depending on how much beer i've snuck in. took two 22oz coffee stouts into lincoln and go through ok, but a single chimay had me bent in half by the end of argo.

Jason the Magnificent - 12-16-2012 at 03:24 PM

Yeah...I recently reached my limit in Skyfall. Had a big IPA in the theater and about 45 minutes in....I was climbing over people apologizing.

barc0debaby - 12-17-2012 at 06:20 PM

I thought the HFR was fine. Way better than normal 3D by far, just a bunch of silly bitches nitpicking the look of new technology. Of course the first movie done in HFR is gonna have its flaws.

As far as the story goes once they actually start the adventure it didn't feel dragged out at all.

The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

BDx13 - 7-28-2014 at 09:44 PM