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hellfest cancelled???

clevohardcore - 8-17-2005 at 02:22 PM

what?:o

XHonusWagnerX - 8-17-2005 at 02:35 PM

seriously?? Why??

clevohardcore - 8-17-2005 at 02:53 PM

I have no idea. People on LAMBGOAT are saying this. I have no idea if it's bullshit or not. I figured THORP would know the real deal.

defstarsteve - 8-17-2005 at 02:59 PM

nothing on the hellfest site yet?
strange
prpbably just a prank
damn haters

clevohardcore - 8-17-2005 at 03:05 PM

http://www.hellfest.com/performers/



Ya it's bullshit.

clevohardcore - 8-17-2005 at 03:06 PM

It's still on.

defstarsteve - 8-17-2005 at 03:07 PM

maybe not...
http://www.lambgoat.com/news/view.aspx?id=5328

XHonusWagnerX - 8-17-2005 at 03:08 PM

Heres some stuff I found on another board....



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"i was told via email that the buyer has backed out and that he can't guarantee any of the bands will be paid. i am also hearing that certain booking agents / labels are pulling their bands. the third and final thing i heard is that there is a problem with the insurance and possibility of loss of the venue."

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Matthew Dunn wrote:
From: Matthew Dunn
Subject: Re: HELLFEST
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:30:27 -0400
To: mike@seamlesstalent.com

they have no money. as of 6 pm last night, my co-buyer and i pulled off of the event due to breach of contract on their part. from what i am told, the festival is still going on, but i cannot promise you that your bands will be paid, or that the fest will look the same as it does at this moment.

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HEADS UP ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THERE IS A VERY HIGH PROBABILITY THAT HELLFEST WILL BE CANCELED DUE TO MANY CIRCUMSTANCES. BEFORE SENDING ANY ARTIST TO THIS EVENT PLEASE CHECK WITH YOUR AGENT OR MANAGER.

Michael Faley
President
Metal Blade Records

tireironsaint - 8-17-2005 at 03:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by defstarsteve
nothing on the hellfest site yet?
strange
prpbably just a prank
damn haters
"Always player hatin', always player hatin'..." Damnit Masoud, that's NOT how the song goes....

Sorry folks, Crime Pays inside joke...

Unbound - 8-17-2005 at 03:29 PM

You know, when I saw the list of bands playing I was thinking that maybe they bit off a bit more then they would chew. That is a lot of fucking bands. So who knows maybe it will be cancelled, or they'll trim down the number of bands tremendously.

defstarsteve - 8-17-2005 at 03:35 PM

i listen to the live stream at kaos still, and they still play the crappy creamy pies demo like once a week

too bad we sucked
I want a new band

as for hellfest
I remember when the only us fest was the superbowl of hardcore....
and all the good fests were in europe...
looks like it might go back to being that way again

clevohardcore - 8-17-2005 at 03:57 PM

According to several reliable sources, it appears that this year's Hellfest may not take place, or may be drastically altered. Reportedly, organizers have run into some major financial issues, likely rendering much of show's requirements impossible to fulfill. No word has come down from the Hellfest people, but we advise that you get some definitive information before traveling to the event.

Update: - We have no updates honestly. For those of you emailing us... if we have any additional information, we'll post it here. Definitely do NOT rely upon our website to make Hellfest plans. Contact Hellfest promoters before taking any action.





^^^^^^^^^^^ this is from lambgoat news.......

clevohardcore - 8-17-2005 at 03:59 PM

Sorry Steve I noticed you just posted this. My bad.

defstarsteve - 8-17-2005 at 04:09 PM

maybe this is a grand plan to bring back real hardcore...
there are lots of big money people involved with putting on this show
if it gets cancelled, then those people will not invest again...(lets hope)
bands will get dropped, labels will dry up, and maybe we can get this thing back under control
"who wants to deal with a bunch of scummy punk rockers when we can invest more into hip-hop"-big money record guy

Discipline - 8-17-2005 at 04:18 PM

The only reason I would care about Hellfest being cancelled is good bands being affected. I would hate to see Killing Time, Madball, NSK, SOIA, Ramallah get screwed. NSK are flying up to play this one show, so I hope they don't get screwed for cash or on their plane tickets. Other bands have planned their tours around playing this one show, so it would suck for them to have it cancelled.

Other then that, I could give a fuck if Hellfest goes on or not.

Shane - 8-17-2005 at 04:43 PM

We know about as much as everyone else. We're just playing it by ear and trying to stay calm about the whole situation. If we find anything more out, we'll pass the word.

clevohardcore - 8-17-2005 at 05:57 PM

no problem. I jsut hope alot of people can recoup the loses.

Shane - 8-17-2005 at 06:24 PM

It's cancelled. We are cancelling all our hotel reservations and everything right now and praying we get money back. Sorry guys. Wish we could do something.

defstarsteve - 8-17-2005 at 06:54 PM

"Hellfest is in court now trying to file an injunction against the Soverign Bank Arena. SBA pulled out after someone led them to believe that there would be lots of fights and cuddling at the shows. With this new information at hand, SBA decided that they wanted an extreme crazy pants insurance plan. Something that Hellfest organizers can not provide in a few hours. SBA has closed their doors and is not allowing the delivery of any equipment inside the venue. Because the fest is in a few hours - and Hellfest peoples cant give bands a definite answer, many/most of the bands flying in have canceled their plans. Hellfest did not give any sort of a deposit to a single band - and told the bands that if the show was canceled they could not refund travel costs. WHich is why many of the bands are saying "thanks but no thanks"


Tons of other shows are already being booked. So if anyone is heading out there, I think there will be an all reunion show somewhere out there.

defstarsteve - 8-17-2005 at 06:57 PM

http://www.sovereignbankarena.com/press/Hellfestcancelled.ht...

Unbound - 8-17-2005 at 07:09 PM

HELLFEST?S OFFICIAL STATEMENT

Due to circumstances beyond our control, Hellfest has been cancelled. After a full day in court in Burlington County, NJ, Hellfest was unable to meet unreasonable demands brought to Hellfest?s attention by the Sovereign Bank Arena on August 16, 2005 at 6:21 PM, and to be met by August 17, 2005 at 7:00 AM. Actions were taken and Hellfest had an injunction filed by noon on August 17, 2005, but was overruled by the judge.

We send our deepest apologies out to the fans and everyone who was involved with the event and want you to be aware that legal action is being taken. For ticket refunds please contact the Sovereign Bank Arena box office.

THERE WILL BE A FULL STATEMENT TO BE RELEASED FROM THE HELLFEST STAFF AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

So it's offical I guess. Just got this email from the girl that was helping with publicity for hellfest.

clevohardcore - 8-17-2005 at 07:10 PM

Sucks but at least it happened like this can you imagine the publicity it would get if everyone showed up and then they cancelled??? Damn it would be total chaos.

defstarsteve - 8-17-2005 at 07:53 PM

everyone is almost there
and it is chaos
the population of tight pants, bad hair, and makeup wearing kids (is it the late 80's again) in the eastern 3rd of the county is currently doubled, and all the kids flying in from europe...
damn sketch fest

Unbound - 8-17-2005 at 08:02 PM

man, what the hell happened to hardcore? wearing army pants and a band shirt in high school got me constanly picked on and bullied, now being different is trendy. I hope this does signal the end of corporate hardcore, and nu-metalcore. I suppose it is too bad for the bands playing the festival for the right reasons, but for the hundreds playing chugga chugga sqeeuk in their tight pants, white belts, and homo haircuts, well I don't think anyone will miss them. Expect their fans, who would have been there in tight pants, white belts and with homo haircuts.

SAAAAARS - 8-17-2005 at 11:25 PM

i almost bought my ticket two days ago. thank god i did not. i can't believe this shit got cancelled, it makes me really happy that i went to posi numbers (even though that got shut down too).

forsaken - 8-18-2005 at 12:21 AM

Fuck I feel sorry for my friends that flew over .... posi numbers gets shut down, hellfest is cancelled.

I dunno what they expected when they put BL13 on the 2004 lineup ... like shit, as if they aren't gonna trash the joint then no one will let us use another venuw in NJ ever again.

Still, anyone with half a clue can tell whats gonna happen when hardcore mixes with big business ... lawsuits, financial trouble in the $millions, they had a similar problem like 4 or 5 years ago when it was only 2000 kids turning up ... what did they expect when zillions more show up.

But overall, bummer. Feel sorry for the organisers who have now wasted their time and money, as well as all the kids who travelled.

tommyquiet - 8-18-2005 at 12:55 AM

I am so fucking bummed.

we were ready to come out and rock.

I'm coming anyway, as I've never been to NYC....but the rest of NSK is not.

Six66Mike - 8-18-2005 at 07:37 AM

After sitting at the bar in Adelaide for 3 hourse waiting for Keep It Up merch from Alexisonfire & none of them showing up, this is fucking hilarious news.

forsaken - 8-18-2005 at 08:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Six66Mike
After sitting at the bar in Adelaide for 3 hourse waiting for Keep It Up merch from Alexisonfire & none of them showing up, this is fucking hilarious news.


where did AOF go? crash into a kangeroo?

DeathByForce - 8-18-2005 at 01:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by defstarsteve
everyone is almost there
and it is chaos
the population of tight pants, bad hair, and makeup wearing kids (is it the late 80's again) in the eastern 3rd of the county is currently doubled, and all the kids flying in from europe...
damn sketch fest


that's the funniest thing i've read in awhile haha thanks for that.

Voodoobillyman - 8-18-2005 at 03:26 PM

With the exception of a few good people involved....who cares??? This thing is a joke now and I for one am happy that this baby has finally been put to bed. For the few good people involved, sorry but you could always try to book up there in some club and get quite the turn out I'm sure.

Discipline - 8-18-2005 at 07:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Voodoobillyman
With the exception of a few good people involved....who cares??? This thing is a joke now and I for one am happy that this baby has finally been put to bed. For the few good people involved, sorry but you could always try to book up there in some club and get quite the turn out I'm sure.

ENDERA.x - 8-18-2005 at 07:40 PM

"xmikex says about HELLFEST
Body: 3 different posts. it's a lot of words, but it's worth the read


Hellfest sucks and I'm glad it got cancelled. You're kidding yourself if you think of Hellfest as a legit hardcore show. It's a yearly meeting for every trendy nerd around the country that thinks they own their local hardcore scene so they can decide upon what's trendy and cool for the upcoming year. It's a total joke, and brings hardcore one step closer to Hot Topic, corporate sponsored commercial NU METAL. It promotes everything that's wrong with "hardcore" : rock star attitudes, over-commercialization, the idea that in order to get big you need to have the right friends, contacts, penis to latch onto. "OMG I had the BEST time at Hellfest, I rode up with the guys from XbandX, I saw so many trendy new bands that I can't wait to pretend I knew about 2 years ago, I only watched about 40 minutes of actual music out of 3 days but I made sure to two-step in front of the camera every chance I got, the rest of the time I spent giving out hugs and taking group photos with kids I barely know and don't even like but consider my new best friends. OH AND I BOUGHT 47 NEW BELT BUCKLES!!! LOL!!!"

fuck outta here.

give me Cease To Exist at Monk Street, $8, 30 kids, all fun, no sponsors, no scene points, ANY DAY.


and......

Seriously, the only effects the world will ever see from Hellfest getting cancelled are as follows:
- A bunch of good for nothing couch lurking scenebags will realize they should probably get jobs....and still not get one.
- With no one around to kiss her ass, the girl from Most Precious Blood might actually take an honest look at herself and put a fucking paper bag over that bowl of beef stew she calls a face.
- Some worthless asshole in a popular signed band might have to actually treat a girl with some respect to score a blowjob.
- No Warning will NEVER stop being the worst fucking band ever.
- For one brief moment a couple of you might actually realize that hardcore isn't about a bunch of spoiled assholes jerking eachother off at a glorified flea market.
- A cubic ton of brass knuckle belt buckles will be sold for scrap, melted down, and used to make carpet bombs for the military.

HELLFEST SUCKS.


also.....

Take the....

$100 you were gonna spend on a ticket.
$80 you were gonna spend on merch (even though you're too "broke" to pay rent)
$50 you were gonna spend on gas and food
$6.99 you were gonna spend on lip gloss to suck off so and so from XpopularXbandX
$24.99 you were gonna spend on the dvd to watch yourself be scene

AND buy some new clothes, buy a bus pass AND GET A FUCKING JOB"

Discipline - 8-18-2005 at 09:57 PM

That last part is so true.

Killthehumans - 8-18-2005 at 11:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ENDERA.x
"xmikex says about HELLFEST
Body: 3 different posts. it's a lot of words, but it's worth the read


Hellfest sucks and I'm glad it got cancelled. You're kidding yourself if you think of Hellfest as a legit hardcore show. It's a yearly meeting for every trendy nerd around the country that thinks they own their local hardcore scene so they can decide upon what's trendy and cool for the upcoming year. It's a total joke, and brings hardcore one step closer to Hot Topic, corporate sponsored commercial NU METAL. It promotes everything that's wrong with "hardcore" : rock star attitudes, over-commercialization, the idea that in order to get big you need to have the right friends, contacts, penis to latch onto. "OMG I had the BEST time at Hellfest, I rode up with the guys from XbandX, I saw so many trendy new bands that I can't wait to pretend I knew about 2 years ago, I only watched about 40 minutes of actual music out of 3 days but I made sure to two-step in front of the camera every chance I got, the rest of the time I spent giving out hugs and taking group photos with kids I barely know and don't even like but consider my new best friends. OH AND I BOUGHT 47 NEW BELT BUCKLES!!! LOL!!!"

fuck outta here.

give me Cease To Exist at Monk Street, $8, 30 kids, all fun, no sponsors, no scene points, ANY DAY.


and......

Seriously, the only effects the world will ever see from Hellfest getting cancelled are as follows:
- A bunch of good for nothing couch lurking scenebags will realize they should probably get jobs....and still not get one.
- With no one around to kiss her ass, the girl from Most Precious Blood might actually take an honest look at herself and put a fucking paper bag over that bowl of beef stew she calls a face.
- Some worthless asshole in a popular signed band might have to actually treat a girl with some respect to score a blowjob.
- No Warning will NEVER stop being the worst fucking band ever.
- For one brief moment a couple of you might actually realize that hardcore isn't about a bunch of spoiled assholes jerking eachother off at a glorified flea market.
- A cubic ton of brass knuckle belt buckles will be sold for scrap, melted down, and used to make carpet bombs for the military.

HELLFEST SUCKS.


also.....

Take the....

$100 you were gonna spend on a ticket.
$80 you were gonna spend on merch (even though you're too "broke" to pay rent)
$50 you were gonna spend on gas and food
$6.99 you were gonna spend on lip gloss to suck off so and so from XpopularXbandX
$24.99 you were gonna spend on the dvd to watch yourself be scene

AND buy some new clothes, buy a bus pass AND GET A FUCKING JOB"


i salute you sir

Six66Mike - 8-19-2005 at 01:54 AM

I dunno where Alexisonfire was but they weren't at the club between 6 and 9pm even though the show started at 8. I got in touch with Chris from Keep It Up and he forgot to bring the records anyways so he's gonna mail them to me.

Fuck hellfest.

Skarhead & Merauder in November in Ontario. I want to go home now haha. I would take 1 hour set of Skarhead over any other band in the world. I saw them in Buffalo at Warped Tour once and thats it, fucking favourite band ever.

Boogie Capone - 8-19-2005 at 05:46 AM

http://hellfest.ytmnd.com/

Make sure your sound is on.

Voodoobillyman - 8-19-2005 at 09:29 AM

When I think of the death of Hellfest a great Bobby Deniro line comes to mind, see if you can peg it. "I want him dead, I want his family dead, I want his house burned to the ground, I want to piss on the ashes!!!!!!" that sums up how I feel and, I think, alot of other people around here feel. What Endera posted is some of the funniest shit I have read in a long time.

Todd - 8-19-2005 at 12:55 PM

Wow, this is a real shocker. It sounds like it's the same shit year after year with this fest. I feel bad for the people who spent a fortune on plane tickets and hotel rooms but I guess it's time that people realized that this is 'hardcore' and not Ozzfest and while hardcore people may be nice and all, they ain't the sharpest businessmen.

I'm sure Keith from Hellfest remembers hiding from me behind the police after he told me that we had just driven from Philly to Syracuse to play a 15 minute set for free. We've been extolling the virtues of Hellfest since then but apparently noone was listening.

Good riddance to hardcore, to big business, and to those brass beltbuckles you guys keep talking about.

forsaken - 8-19-2005 at 08:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Boogie Capone
http://hellfest.ytmnd.com/

Make sure your sound is on.


the background music makes that page soooooooo good. i just sat here laughing the whole time i listened to it.

One thing I do like about this whole catastrophe is the fact that everyone bounced back from it so quick ... just reading all the bulletins from bands on myspace I've seen so many little house shows, little clubs, warehouses and roller skate rink shows booked within a day or two ... thats amazing, it's what this shit is about. everyone getting off their ass' finding a PA and just getting some bands to play.

BDx13 - 8-23-2005 at 10:59 AM

too bad... i grew another creepy beard just for shane and andy to get a laugh at. anyway, here are a few interesting articles...

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15055790
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15070168

and from the NY TIMES...

BDx13 - 8-23-2005 at 11:01 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/19/nyregion/19punk.html


It's a Weekend in Trenton for Stranded Punk Fans
August 19, 2005

By TINA KELLEY and DAVID KOCIENIEWSKI
TRENTON, Aug. 18 - With boots, tattoos, piercings and several hair colors not found in nature, they gathered Thursday in small clumps on downtown sidewalks that are normally filled with state government workers and lawmakers. But if their garb was colorful, their mood was decidedly dark.

Hellfest, a three-day punk music festival scheduled for Friday, Saturday and Sunday, had been canceled at the last minute - leaving dozens of fans all dressed up with a long weekend to kill in Trenton and no mosh pits to fling themselves into.

"It was totally devastating," said Carol Frazier, 22, who drove here from Austin, Tex., with three friends to see two of her favorite bands, Madball and Public Enemy, but learned when she arrived on Thursday morning that the Sovereign Bank Arena had called off the event, in part because of a problem with the festival's insurance.

"I spent $140 on tickets, another $200 on gas and $300 on hotels, and they can't even give us a few days notice before they kill the whole show," said Ms. Frazier, whose bleached hair matched the ivory bandanna tied around her neck. "It's just bad news."

Bad but true. It would have been the ninth consecutive year for Hellfest, a dashed milestone that led one would-be fan to call the cancellation "the Enron of hardcore." Say goodbye to the 190 bands scheduled to play on three stages, to the tattoo festival, even to the vegan meals planned by the local Marriott in honor of drug-free, alcohol-free and dairy-free punk rockers.

Almost 6,000 fans - at least 500 of them from abroad and some from as far away as Australia and Japan - had bought tickets to hear bands like Hatebreed and Killswitch Engage. Promoters said they hoped all the ticketholders would receive refunds. During the weekend, a total of 12,000 to 15,000 people were expected to attend, an arena official said.

Some, like Richard Gonzales and Carlos Rosa, from San Juan, were left with nonrefundable hotel charges and the prospect of an enforced stay in the New Jersey capital. "I saved for a year, so what am I going to do?" asked Mr. Gonzales, 20.

Shawn Van Der Poel, president of radiotakeover, a company in Mount Holly, N.J., that was handling marketing and promotions for the festival, said he expected Paper Street Music, the Mount Holly company that runs Hellfest, to file for bankruptcy.

Keith Allen, president of Paper Street, confirmed that that was a possibility.

"Hellfest is over," he said.

Mr. Van Der Poel said he received a fax from arena officials at 6:15 p.m. on Tuesday saying that the show's insurance was inadequate, and that if better coverage was not purchased by 7 a.m. Wednesday, the show would be canceled. "Obviously the venue didn't want it to happen," he said.

But Eric Cuthbertson, the arena's general manager, said arena officials had warned the promoters about problems with the concert in meetings, and by phone and e-mail messages during the past two or three weeks. He said two booking agents and others supplying services for the concert had expressed concerns about their agreements with the promoters. "They were wanting to know from us, were we as nervous as they were," Mr. Cuthbertson said.

While at least one talent broker has complained that a number of performers did not receive deposits promised by the promoters, Mr. Van Der Poel said bands had been paid about $72,000 in deposits, but an additional $20,000 could not be paid because the arena never gave the promoters money from advance ticket sales.

At the Trenton Marriott at Lafayette Yard, fans were clamoring for refunds. "It's total chaos," said Kelly Monaghan, a front-desk employee. Concertgoers who had prepaid for rooms were angry because they could not get their money back.

Some fans and bands were trying to make the best of their time in New Jersey - arranging alternate plans for shows at the Starland Ballroom in Sayreville and the Stone Pony in Asbury Park, among other events listed at www.lambgoat.com.

A Whatthehellfest is in the works for Sunday at the Hackettstown Skate Park, where organizers are asking fans to be on their best behavior. The festival's Web site pleads: "If you hit someone when you are dancing please make sure that person is all right. If you get hit, don't attack the person - chances are it wasn't intentional."

At the Marriott, three Dutch fans who had planned their tour of the United States around the concert listened politely as a hotel clerk told them about the new roller coaster at Six Flags Great Adventure Amusement Park.

"I came for a concert and end up with a roller coaster," said one, Joke Suilen, 21. "Is this supposed to be a joke? Because it's not at all funny."

Voodoobillyman - 8-23-2005 at 04:56 PM

Wow, I can't really feel sorry for someone who calls this the Enron of Hardcore, what a joke. Also, if you had to save for a year to get to this shitty event, you need to get yourself a real job and stop playing punk rocker.