Straight Edge commercial

BDx13 - 2-8-2006 at 12:04 PM

watch here

...from the partnership for a drug-free america.

XHonusWagnerX - 2-8-2006 at 12:44 PM

I think thats pretty fucking cool! Im sure some people will disagree, but Im pretty psyched that comercial exists.

Who did you pick out in it? I saw Porcell and Toby H2O. Anyone else?

Thanks for posting that!!

Voodoobillyman - 2-8-2006 at 12:54 PM

I like that it has a positive message, but it also shows how highly alot of straight edgers (not all) think of themselves. I am the anti-stright edge, always straight to the bar at shows, and drinking the whole time, but not uncontrollably drunk, and not persecuting anyone because they DONT have a beer in their hands. Just like being gay, yes you have the right to be so and no I don't care to hear you preach about your pride in your decision, good for you, heres a pat on the back.

XHonusWagnerX - 2-8-2006 at 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by Voodoobillyman
I like that it has a positive message, but it also shows how highly alot of straight edgers (not all) think of themselves. I am the anti-stright edge, always straight to the bar at shows, and drinking the whole time, but not uncontrollably drunk, and not persecuting anyone because they DONT have a beer in their hands. Just like being gay, yes you have the right to be so and no I don't care to hear you preach about your pride in your decision, good for you, heres a pat on the back.

would you feel the same way about a generic anti drug/alcohol comercial? How about an AA sponsored 'I used to drink and now I dont' comercial?

CR83 - 2-8-2006 at 01:08 PM

I thought it was great.

serenity - 2-8-2006 at 01:11 PM

yes, you see things clearer, thats what makes it so horrible. you need booze to take your mind of reality.

Voodoobillyman - 2-8-2006 at 01:31 PM

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Originally posted by XHonusWagnerX

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would you feel the same way about a generic anti drug/alcohol comercial? How about an AA sponsored 'I used to drink and now I dont' comercial?

No I wouldnt. The generic ones dont make the same impact because like I said before, alot of straight edge people I have met think very highly of themselves and tend to look down their noses at non edge and especially those who "break edge" ( I hate that by the way, I call it changing, they call it breaking ) In the generic commercials some person is speaking about non drug use (which I am for by the way) but I have never been preached to by anyone like this I didnt know, nor has anyone like this, to my knowledge, attacked someone for deciding to use free will in whichever way they please. As for someone who has used and is now trying to persuade others not too because they fucked their life up and want to spare others the same, it stems from self control in my opinion. I have been drinking for years now and it has not affected my family, job etc......I have also had straight edge people preach to me who have never even had a drink. I cannot listen to someones uneducated opinion on anything, how do you know so much about something without ever trying it? I am not attacking your belief system, I am sorry if it seems this way, but I am sick of the high and mighty preachy bullshit that comes along with it (in most cases, per my personal experience)

Gooch - 2-8-2006 at 01:34 PM

that commericial is great. Its also about 7-8 years old. My friend Gordo is the main dude talking during it. Other people in there- Cappo, Jeff Neuman(In My Eyes) Ken Olden(Batter/Better than a 1000) and bunch of other peeps who I know, but aren't in bands.
There's another version of it, I forget the differences are though, I just know there are 2. Porcell use to have them on his TTD site, but that site is no longer running. I think both of them are on some CD, maybe the Supersoul comp.

BKT - 2-8-2006 at 01:39 PM

That is cool. Good point about how straight edge has done more in the last 13 years to bring together drug free kids than anything else.

The Strife t-shirts made me laugh though.

MM.

clevohardcore - 2-8-2006 at 02:56 PM

I still wear my strife shirts. "IS THIS OUR DESTINY?"

XnMeX - 2-8-2006 at 03:15 PM

I thought it was cool, but I DO however agree with Voodoobillyman about the sXe attitude. I used to agree 100% with the label of sXe, would call myself sXe, etc... But now I am still drug and alk free but don't like the term because of sXe people in general. I have seen that ALOT think that they are better than other people for being sXe. It is a choice, it's my choice, and it may not be yours. I am 100% cool with peoples choices and know that I am no better than someone that drinks and does drugs in some cases. To have that point of view is like being racist. Hitler thought it was all about blonde hair and blues eyes and anyone else was weaker ( i know there is more to it, but I don't wanna go into it). It is the same with sXe kids that think they are superior to people that DO drink and do drugs. I know for a fact there are people that drink and do drugs out there that are better people than alot of sXe people. Numerous inventions have been made by people that did drugs, not to mention how many people drink and do extremly great things. And because all the "high and mighty" bullshit associated with sXe, I no longer associate myself with that term and only have X's in my username cuz it looks cool

XHonusWagnerX - 2-8-2006 at 03:42 PM

Im gonna apologize for this post in advance. Some of it may come off more aggressive then I mean it to because Im in a REALLY shitty mood.

I think that some of the replies here are bullshit. People abandoning the lable of "Straight Edge" or saying that they dont like it because they have had
bad experiences with 'straight edge people' as far as being preachy. Well I cant even count the number of times that I have been somewhere where I was
the only one who didnt drink and every asshole is gotta ask a million questions and say "just one beer... come on... drink one!" So by that rational should I
have an issue with everyone who does drink?

Now as for being 'drug free' but not straight edge.... If you abandon the lable of sXe then all you are doing is leaving it to the people that you disagree with.
When thee entire straight edge culture is filled with over preachy violent assholes then the people that are against sXe will be right. If we stay with it and try
to show people that NOT EVERYONE is like that then maybe something can change and maybe kids can learn from a comercial like that rather than seeing shit like
they had on Judging Amy where Straight Edge was a violent gang and it was a BAD THING!!

I think that most new Hardcore sucks. Does that mean that I should turn my back and not associate with the term/lable of Hardcore?

Lastly... I am one of those people that has never drank or done any drugs and I am NOT preachy about it and I dont care what anyone else
does, but I personally think that in some ways it does make me better. Serenity just posted that everyone needs booze to get away from reality.
Well my reality sucks, but I choose to deal with it with a clear head everyday. It fucking sucks, but the one thing that I can be proud of is that I never
had a low point where I was fucked up a majority of the time like most of my friends have.

Once again... I apologize for this post. its just a very strong opinion on a semi-touchy subject that Im letting out in the middle of a very shitty day!

CR83 - 2-8-2006 at 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by XHonusWagnerX
Im gonna apologize for this post in advance. Some of it may come off more aggressive then I mean it to because Im in a REALLY shitty mood.

I think that some of the replies here are bullshit. People abandoning the lable of "Straight Edge" or saying that they dont like it because they have had
bad experiences with 'straight edge people' as far as being preachy. Well I cant even count the number of times that I have been somewhere where I was
the only one who didnt drink and every asshole is gotta ask a million questions and say "just one beer... come on... drink one!" So by that rational should I
have an issue with everyone who does drink?

Now as for being 'drug free' but not straight edge.... If you abandon the lable of sXe then all you are doing is leaving it to the people that you disagree with.
When thee entire straight edge culture is filled with over preachy violent assholes then the people that are against sXe will be right. If we stay with it and try
to show people that NOT EVERYONE is like that then maybe something can change and maybe kids can learn from a comercial like that rather than seeing shit like
they had on Judging Amy where Straight Edge was a violent gang and it was a BAD THING!!

I think that most new Hardcore sucks. Does that mean that I should turn my back and not associate with the term/lable of Hardcore?

Lastly... I am one of those people that has never drank or done any drugs and I am NOT preachy about it and I dont care what anyone else
does, but I personally think that in some ways it does make me better. Serenity just posted that everyone needs booze to get away from reality.
Well my reality sucks, but I choose to deal with it with a clear head everyday. It fucking sucks, but the one thing that I can be proud of is that I never
had a low point where I was fucked up a majority of the time like most of my friends have.

Once again... I apologize for this post. its just a very strong opinion on a semi-touchy subject that Im letting out in the middle of a very shitty day!

Honus, that was great man. I hope things pick up for you.

DaveMoral - 2-8-2006 at 06:09 PM

I'm with Honus on this one. I've never done drugs or drank, I've seen alot of family members and friends fuck themselves into oblivion with that shit. So yeah, I do think it gives me a certain advantage, and additional mental/spiritual strength, to deal with the fucked up world we all live in and the particular shittiness of my own life. As for dropping the label because of shitty kids, fuck that... I don't think I need to run around and say I'm straight edge to every motherfucker I see... hence why I don't sport straight edge t-shirts... but I'd let someone at a show know that I'm edge to keep from being offered shit. And I've been harassed by people who aren't straight edge for being so... I can't blame everyone for that.

I think this commercial kicks ass, and there should be a widespread straight edge campaign on television and radio and shit. None of that "Just Say No" crap ever worked for me, it never made me feel like it was okay not to drink or do drugs when all my friends stopped hanging out with me to do those things... I just thought I was uncool... then I discovered hardcore and straight edge... and goddamn did my self-esteem pick up.

Thanks to this I think I'm going to put a straight edge button on my jacket now.

Voodoobillyman - 2-8-2006 at 07:18 PM

With both Honus and Morals points, as well as mine, it just goes to show that nothing is cut and dry or black and white, there is alot of grey area to it all. I think anyone who pushes their values and beliefs on others to the point of being annoying or violent about it is a fuckin jerk. This means, the dudes who were trying to get you to drink were just as wrong in my opinion as the assholes that tell me I'm fuckin useless because I choose to drink. We, as human beings, tend to categorize without exceptions alot. Like someone saying all niggers are ignorant because of a few assholes, or all jews are deceitful and greedy, getting the point? I made it clear I was not trying to lump all straight edge people into my comments, but the majority of the time I have interacted with that particular label of person, it has been unpleasant. And pride in your lifes decisions is fine, just dont rub it in my fuckin face or try to make me feel like less of a person for my own beliefs and actions, whether I choose to drink or not. I would also like to make this one last point, and this is purely opinion, take it or leave it. I cannot take someone seriously when they do not know what it is they criticize or talk about completely. If you have never drank or done drugs then you do not really know everything there is to know about it, you may see the way it affects people and base your "facts" on that, but again, not everyone is the same. I do not doubt that you have seen people fuck themselves up with chemical dependancy and chose not to get involved with said chemicals because of this. But when some dude goes to a show, or wherever and has one or two beers while enjoying themselves, you have no fuckin right to judge them, just like they have no right to judge you. And neither one is better than the other or more justified or any of that shit, just different is all. And now I am done withthis topic, thank you for letting me have the soapbox for a bit, and I love all of you.

XnMeX - 2-8-2006 at 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by XnMeX
And because all the "high and mighty" bullshit associated with sXe, I no longer associate myself with that term and only have X's in my username cuz it looks cool

I want to clarify incase people thought wrong... That part was a joke.

I tell people I am sXe when it fits the conversation, but I have never been one to "wear it" like a label (shirts, pins, stickers, etc...).

Discipline - 2-8-2006 at 07:55 PM

My only problem with sXe is those who preach about it non-stop. Especially since half the people who are most in yer face about it are about 5 years away from being old enough to buy booze. I've had a few militant types smack a drink out of my hand and they got their heads kicked in. I don't force my beliefs on people and expect others to return the favor. I also hate that bands base their whole existance on being sXe. At least bands like Minor Threat and Slapshot sang about other topics. Half the bands I hear these days that are sXe don't sing about anything else. 98% of their lyrics are about how sXe they are and how great sXe is. Get over yourself! Sing about something else. Talk about something else in interviews. If being sXe is all you have to talk about in life than yer pretty fucking boring and repetitive.

DaveMoral - 2-8-2006 at 08:27 PM

I hate the whole Seventh Dagger straight edge trend right now... the whole "Bring Back Prohibition" lot. Didn't work the first time, won't work now dipshits.

The bands that can't not sing about straight edge got a problem, plain and simple. But most, historically, haven't been like that. Judge was one of the more notorious edge bands but the term doesn't even come up in the lyrics, and most of their songs seem to apply universally except for the one's that are blatantly about straight edge. If that's all a band has to talk about I don't have much time for them, I need music that speaks to me and the struggles I go through... not sloganeering for straight edge.

Discipline - 2-8-2006 at 08:32 PM

That's what I mean. I only used Slapshot and Minor Threat as example but most of the old sXe bands from back in the day had more to talk about. These days a lot of the bands rely on being sXe for all of their lyrical content which is fucking lame.

DaveMoral - 2-8-2006 at 08:41 PM

I think it's because they're generally not from a social stratus where they've got a whole hell of alot to bitch about... so they pick straight edge... or worse yet, veganism.

tireironsaint - 2-8-2006 at 09:09 PM

I'll just chime in here since I have a bit of a different take than most on this subject. I've got the edge, I used to be as far from edge as possible and was hooked on both alcohol and various substances, I'm also a skin. In other words, I don't fit in anywhere. Never really have and I don't expect that to change. My main beef is with people who decide that something which is supposed to be a PART of their life decide that it is their identity. Yes, I'm straight edge, no that's not the sum total of who I am, neither is being a recovering addict, neither is being a skin. Those are all aspects of who I am, but none of them define me. I have no time for people who pick up other people's ideas and put them on like a costume to show the world what they're all about. I've seen so many kids get into it without ever taking a sip or doing anything else and of course it's usually those kids getting up in people's faces for doing shit they've never done before they finally turn around and start getting more fucked up than the people they were yelling at the week before. I'm not saying everybody who has managed to steer clear of drugs and alcohol is gonna be a preachy asshole or that they will pull a 180, but I have seen that happen many, many times while the people I know who claimed edge without any prior experiences on the other side who still have that edge can be counted on two fingers. The SxE scene is a fucking joke, just like the general HC scene nowadays. No sense of history, total distortion of the original ideas and lifestyle and complete obsession with something meant to be a small part of their life. If you try to make something like SxE your whole world, you will end up hating it and everything associated with it, I guarantee it. If you take a healthy approach to it and make it about your decisions and your personal guideline (NOT your fuckin' rules!), it can be very beneficial and cool. This applies to a lot more than just edge shit, I think. Anyway, that's just two cents from an old bastard who has managed to keep himself sober for seventeen years after fucking up enough to see sobriety as the only other option (for me) besides death or jail. Do what you want, but don't do it to me.....