Are we going to invade Iran?

BDx13 - 5-2-2006 at 03:49 PM

Iran Threatens Israel if U.S. Attacks

By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 46 minutes ago

A top Revolutionary Guards commander said Tuesday that Israel would be Iran's first retaliatory target if attacked by the United States.

Gen. Mohammad Ebrahim Dehghani also said Israel was not prepared to go war against Iran. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has repeatedly spoken out against Israel and threatened to wipe it "off the map."

"We have announced that whenever America does make any mischief, the first place we target will be Israel," the semiofficial Iranian Student News Agency quoted Dehghani as saying.

"We will definitely resist ... U.S. B-52 (bombers)."

President Bush has said a military option remained on the table if Iran did not agree to international demands for it to stop enriching uranium. However, he also has said Washington wanted to solve the dispute over Iran's nuclear program through diplomacy.

Israeli elder statesman Shimon Peres called on Iran to scrap its nuclear program and warned: "Remember that Israel is exceptionally strong and knows how to defend itself."

Dehghani, who served as a spokesman during large-scale Revolutionary Guards war games last month, said the exercises were held ahead of schedule to send a message to the United States and its allies over Tehran's nuclear activities.

"We were due to organize the maneuvers in May but due to timing conditions and issues related to (our) nuclear energy and upon the recommendation of Mr. (Ali) Larijani (Iran's top nuclear negotiator), it was held 40 days sooner than planned," he said.

Friday marked the deadline set by the U.N. Security Council for Iran to freeze its uranium enrichment program. Council members are now considering next steps, which could include punishing sanctions, although Russia and China oppose that step.

Israel's military chief said in comments published Tuesday that if Iran does obtain nuclear capability, it will constitute a threat to Israel's existence. When asked if the world can, militarily, stop Iran's nuclear program, Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz told the Maariv newspaper: "The answer is yes."

Asked whether Israel would be involved in such a military operation, Halutz said, "We are part of the world."

gavin - 5-2-2006 at 03:52 PM

israel would whoop ass on iran if we let them

CR83 - 5-2-2006 at 03:52 PM

Bush is too fucked in the head. He will invade.

brooklyn - 5-2-2006 at 03:58 PM

invade maybe not, bomb for sure (when ya elect a madman ya get madness,.... and I talking about both leaders)

clevohardcore - 5-2-2006 at 04:09 PM

It will spell disaster for Bush and the Republican party if he does

moforn - 5-2-2006 at 04:26 PM

Iraq worked out pretty well, why not?

gavin - 5-2-2006 at 05:23 PM

bombing is the key

Discipline - 5-2-2006 at 05:58 PM

Should just pull everybody out and cancel all aid to the middle east. Let them sort out their own shit.

JawnDiablo - 5-2-2006 at 07:18 PM

i think it could happen

upyerbum - 5-2-2006 at 07:23 PM

Iranians are Persians, whole other ball of wax. It would be a bad idea, I also think they're trying to provoke it, Iran that is. They're President(?) has a got a seriously dangerous messiah complex goin' on. Hmmmm....that sounds familiar.............

DaveMoral - 5-2-2006 at 09:12 PM

On the level... the US would be royally fucked if they invaded Iran. The Iranian people are a proud people, and despite the fact that the majority are young and not too enthused with the current state of their government... it would be a fucking death trap for American forces and IF Iran does indeed have near nuclear capability... something like that could hurl the world into WW3. Not wise.

Israel probably wouldn't woup the shit out of Iran in a war.... for one... They'd have serious logicstical problems with that given they'd have to go through Syria and Iraq... both of which would without a doubt be immediate allies of Iran upon any American or Israeli attack. Not to mention they would have Hizbullah to deal with from Lebanon... and there's a reason Israel pulled out of South Lebanon in the 90s... Hizbullah tore them up with guerilla warfare.

The Mid-East is a powder keg. A powder keg that, when ignited, would set the whole world ablaze. Don't think it wouldn't.

Voodoobillyman - 5-3-2006 at 09:49 AM

Fuck the pride of the Iranian people. If done correctly (which has not been the case in the past) The United States could more than easily extinguish any problems that country is causing. As far as Israel, I have to agree with Bad Vibes, the world has never actually seen Israel operate on a full scale military level, and our joint tactical training manuevers have shown me first hand they are more than capable of handling most of their neighbors. As far as their "near nuclear" capabilities, the only thing they could do right now is meltdown a few reactors which would cause considerable local damage but not anything near what it would take to spark WWIII. I believe if Iran stays on this path we will have to do something about it soon. I don't believe Bush will even be in office anymore by the time it comes to something like that. Let me tell ya, the next Commander in Chief has their hands full both domestically and internationally. In the immortal words of Billy Milano "Fuck the Middle East"

Voodoobillyman - 5-3-2006 at 10:07 AM

our biggest problem is the financial ties Russia and China have to iran. Thats where the powderkeg issues come into play. If there is to be another full scale global war involving all continents, it's because of issues like this. The sooner this country can become independant of fossil fuels and operate on an alternate energy source, the sooner the rest can follow taking away the bartering power the Middle east now holds. The powers that be, however, let their greed determine the fate of this Nation and it's people. We need elected officials who are truly dedicated to this task, who have no interests in big oil, who feel genuinely swindled by these fucking crooks and who wants to shake it up and get the country back into the hands of the people rather than the corporations. It's simple laws of supply and demand, we should keep the middle east as stable as possible (again, we have not done so well with this so far) long enough to free ourselves from their product and then leave it completely. Once free of oil I am sure Most Americans agree the region could fucking implode on itself. The fundamentalists want the US and it's policies out of the region............give it to them. If they insist on attacking us after that, carpet bomb the whole region back into the dark ages or drop a small sized Nuke in their back yard and turn it into a parking lot for Europe.

BKT - 5-3-2006 at 11:20 AM

If you want to solve the problems in the middle east the USA should blow the shit out of Isreal. Fuck that country, support of them has caused the west nothing but problems.

MM.

upyerbum - 5-3-2006 at 11:30 AM

Israel's a fucking bullshit country anyway. I don't blame the Palestinians for refusing to recognize it. AND if the USA (sorry guys) would mind they're own fucking business and stop trying to exploit everybody else's resources NONE of this would be going on. Do you honestly think the whole Arab world woke up one day and decided, lets hate the USA? It took years of exploitation, murder, illegal bombing, and political interference in developing nations for that attitude to become prevalent.

Voodoobillyman - 5-3-2006 at 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by upyerbum
Israel's a fucking bullshit country anyway. I don't blame the Palestinians for refusing to recognize it. AND if the USA (sorry guys) would mind they're own fucking business and stop trying to exploit everybody else's resources NONE of this would be going on. Do you honestly think the whole Arab world woke up one day and decided, lets hate the USA? It took years of exploitation, murder, illegal bombing, and political interference in developing nations for that attitude to become prevalent.

I couldnt agree more, it goes back to corrupt leadership and oil dependancy. We need leadership in this country willing to fight the status quo and lead this nation to energy independance. These Arab fuckos are in no way to be romanticized as "freedom fighters" or any other bullshit like that though. They are fucking blind cowards who need to take a long hard look at the powers that be in their own countries who exploit them much more than this country ever could. This whole thing is born of ignorance, but the things that are, and the things that should be are two totally different things right? Reality is, we are in this fight now. I don't know about you, but I fight to win.

gavin - 5-3-2006 at 01:01 PM

i like israel
sue me

upyerbum - 5-3-2006 at 03:54 PM

The fact is Israel was created after WWII to create an environment of perpetual unrest in the Middle East. Its pure Machievelli. Its like breaking your finger so you don't notice your missing foot. I'd like to see Israel go down, it would loosen the Western stranglehold on the Middle East and give them no real reason, aside from oil, to even be involved in Middle eastern affairs. And as far as a Jewish homeland goes, Judaism as it exists today is a product of the Roman/Greek diaspora Jews, so maybe they'd be more comfortable in Rome or Athens.

gavin - 5-3-2006 at 03:59 PM

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Originally posted by MrBadVibes
i like israel
sue me

serenity - 5-3-2006 at 04:25 PM

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Originally posted by MrBadVibes
i like israel
sue me

with what? all lawyers are jews...

gavin - 5-3-2006 at 04:30 PM

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Originally posted by serenity

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Originally posted by MrBadVibes
i like israel
sue me

with what? all lawyers are jews...

and they are all on my side niggaz

Discipline - 5-3-2006 at 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by serenity

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Originally posted by MrBadVibes
i like israel
sue me

with what? all lawyers are jews...

It's a good thing we don't perpetuate stereotypes here in Thorp land.

BDx13 - 5-3-2006 at 05:19 PM

that was a pretty good one, though.

Discipline - 5-3-2006 at 05:31 PM

True.

upyerbum - 5-4-2006 at 07:44 AM

Now, now, there's always the alchoholic Legal Aid lawyer.

Six66Mike - 5-10-2006 at 11:27 PM

I made comments on my thoughts about this a few months ago in a topic I posted. http://www.thorprecords.com/boards/viewthread.php?tid=3504#p...

I also posted a lot about it on my LJ http://six66mike.livejournal.com/169261.html

I still think the war is coming, as obvious by the continually increasing rhetoric between Iran & the west.

Here's what I think based on reading this topic & what limited news has been on TV & in the papers lately:

- "Gen. Mohammad Ebrahim Dehghani also said Israel was not prepared to go war against Iran" hah. Israel has been pressuring the US to attack Iran for more than the past 5 years. PNAC has also advised as have every single major Jewish lobby group in the US that Iran needs to be "stabilised".

- Israel has every intention of expanding in the Middle East. It needs more space, especially with these farcical pullouts of Palestinian zones. Israel is extremely capable of launching a military attack on its own, as it has hundreds, if not thousands of nuclear bombs provided by the US plus a minimum $2b in aid from the US every year (i think its closer to $8b but dont remember & cant bother checking right now). Not to mention their 6 day defeat of Egypt and other small & fast wars in the area with their neighbours. The continued attacks from Hamas & other groups in Israel has also prepared them excellently for Guerilla warfare plus tactical miltary attacks. Israel is by no means a pushover & every country in the west sucks their dick big time so they will be supported by a large group of countries if war occurs.

- Iran has a lot of natural gas resources in its territory in the Caspian Sea. The US already has plans on how to take over this & the main shipping lanes in the Hormuz (I think thats the port name) to control oil flow out of the region.

- Iran is planning to start selling their oil for Euro's instead of US dollars. The new oil exchange will be active sometime this month and China, Russia & others are fine with this. However, this would strike a massive blow to the US currency & in turn its economy, so obviously Bush wants to stop the tranfser of oil being bought in Euro's instead of dollars.

- Lets take a look at the Nuclear NPT, the supposed cause for all this bullshit. India, Pakistan & Israel are not signatory to the NPT. The US has recently told India to go for it, they have no problem with them getting even more weapons even though India & Pakistan are in conflict currently over Kashmir. Two non signatory countries both currently in a war and there's a statement from the US saying go for it. Huh?!?
- The IAEA head has stated publicly that "if they wanted to, 40 countries could develop nuclear weapons". Where's the pressure on them to stop their programs? I'm sure some must be hostile.
- The US is still using depleted uranium and has tactical plans to use nuclear bunker buster bombs against Iran. The current US doctrine thanks to Bush is that nuclear weapons in combat are now considered safe & ok to use.

The EU and US have no right interfering in Iranian politics. Iran's president is already under huge pressure from the religions leaders in the country to chill out and he's only fanning the flames among the Iranian youth. There is little behind his threats because the religious leaders still control what direction the country goes in. El Baradei from the IAEA has even said that he still doesn't have enough information to know if Iran is capable and doesn't think they will be for atleast 3-5 years still.

As for everyone's favourite topic, Iran's president saying Israel needs to be wiped off the map. Well...it didn't quite happen like that. The NY Times posted his WHOLE SPEECH and the lead up to the comment goes like this:

"Our dear Imam [Khomeini] said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world.

Clearly quoting the religious leader of the country who made the statement OVER TEN YEARS AGO! They are demanding Palestinian land taken from them afer WWII be given back to their people and I see no problem with this. Israel does in fact need to be erased from our world and they can start again by letting all the refugees go back to their homes. The people of Israel can continue living wherever they choose but the idea of an Israeli state and Isaeli policies need to be eradicated.

That's all I got for now. Hope I pissed people off & hope others agreed. I'm not pro-Iran or anything but I believe every country has their rights and when whats right for everyone else isn't ok for them then something is fucked.

upyerbum - 5-11-2006 at 11:04 AM

If you haven't read the letter from Iran's President to Bush you should. Its too long to post here, but there is a link to the "translation" on CNN.com, it amazes me how the US press has already started misquoting it. If this goes down its gonna be bad, it is clearly driven by control of the oil and ports in the region, as Six66 said there are in the neighbourhood of 40 other countries in the same position as Iran technologically, but no-one seems to give a fuck. Why? No oil. The same reason it took the US (I want to make it clear I am not crapping on the soldiers here, I was one for 7 years) almost 7 years to involve themselves in the genocide going on in the former Yugoslavia, there was nothing there for them to exploit.

CR83 - 5-11-2006 at 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by upyerbum
If you haven't read the letter from Iran's President to Bush you should. Its too long to post here, but there is a link to the "translation" on CNN.com, it amazes me how the US press has already started misquoting it. If this goes down its gonna be bad, it is clearly driven by control of the oil and ports in the region, as Six66 said there are in the neighbourhood of 40 other countries in the same position as Iran technologically, but no-one seems to give a fuck. Why? No oil. The same reason it took the US (I want to make it clear I am not crapping on the soldiers here, I was one for 7 years) almost 7 years to involve themselves in the genocide going on in the former Yugoslavia, there was nothing there for them to exploit.

Thank you for serving. All soldiers are heros to me.