This bio made me laugh

Discipline - 5-3-2006 at 05:42 PM

Vietnom

This comes off sounding both lame and contrived to me. Alsmost as lame as spelling the band's name as Vietnom.

DaveMoral - 5-3-2006 at 07:07 PM

Haha, I like Vietnom.

Discipline - 5-3-2006 at 07:24 PM

I think they're horribly shitty, music and name. But that bio cracks me up, in that they try so hard to make them sound like hawdco' gangsta's. Fuckin sad.

clevohardcore - 5-3-2006 at 08:27 PM

I think the word Trite comes to mind.

Here is the definition of the word. You be the judge.

Lacking power to evoke interest through overuse or repetition; hackneyed.
Archaic. Frayed or worn out by use.

tireironsaint - 5-3-2006 at 08:38 PM

Fucking ridiculous. I'm not gonna waste my time digging through to see what bands are affiliated with that Pitchfork shit, but from what little I do know about it, it's moronic bullshit. Take the gangsta bullshit and get the fuck out of the scene.

XHonusWagnerX - 5-3-2006 at 09:10 PM

the bio is really silly plus they have DMS in their website address. Thats enough for me!

JawnDiablo - 5-3-2006 at 09:27 PM

blah ..i have a couple pitchfork t shirts
i gots one vietnom song i like, but damn they spout off DMS every time they get a spare second....
im gonna make my own crew
UDSD
upper darby scum dogs
we could sell more crack

Discipline - 5-4-2006 at 08:53 AM

I have a pitchfork shirt that I got for free when I pre-ordered Madball's Legacy album. Wouldn't actually pay money for it.

upyerbum - 5-4-2006 at 09:22 AM

Trite works.

ENDERA.x - 5-4-2006 at 10:04 AM

I dont like the bio...

I have pitchfork shirts because I like not only supporting bands and labels by wearing their shit but underground clothing lines because you can forget wearing anything mainstream. I have my own clothing line too.

I like Vietnom, they have some good songs. Not everyones thing, I also listen to some hiphop. So it works.
Theres NOTHING wrong with street influenced hardcore. I dont understand why you bitch about it. People who listen to hiphop / play hiphop and listen to hardcore/ play hardcore and might actually be thugs cant represent that anymore? It's a different scene all together, they are just havin a good time and I doubt they are getting in anyones way. Still with their DMS brotherhood. Nothing wrong, yeah they say DMS a hella lot and its annoying, least Madball doesnt do it that much, but they do it enough too. Just letting their shit be known they are very proud of who they are and how they live, growing up on the streets dealin with times their way. "Right or wong"

PS - If any of you like or liked Out To Win * Mushmouth, Strength For A Reason, Wisdom In Chains, Fury of FIve, Knuckledust, Boxcutter, In The Eys Of, Not Without Resistance they you must realize they do the same thing, only its BFL/LBU crews but slightly less hiphop/gangster and more 'hardcore' toughguy than DMS is. Different areas.

Discipline - 5-4-2006 at 10:21 AM

Yeah, other than some Fury of Five stuff, I don't like any of those bands. As for the thug shit, it's the gangbanger menatality that started the end of hardcore. That shit fucked up shows, clubs, fans, etc. It all bullshit posturing.

clevohardcore - 5-4-2006 at 10:43 AM

I rock out Vietnom. That BIO is just rediculous.

clevohardcore - 5-4-2006 at 10:44 AM

I read that BIO and think they can protect this country from Terrorism. Its rediculous. They are a band that makes music and nothing more.

barc0debaby - 5-4-2006 at 11:10 AM

I dig vietnom's sound, but the material is insipid. And they probably grab their balls alot....

BKT - 5-4-2006 at 11:52 AM

I love Vietnom, and I love all the gangster hardcore as well. I like fights at shows, and what have you. I am a violent person so this type of hardcore strikes a nerve with me. I can only listen to so many fucking songs about, unity, the scene, how some friend sold out straight edge, or how all the bands are now sell outs. bla bla bla maybe you could use a good ol fashioned ass kicking.

By the way the bio was gay as hell.

MM.

BDx13 - 5-4-2006 at 12:10 PM

the last three posts in this thread are hilarious.

JawnDiablo - 5-4-2006 at 12:22 PM

i'm buying a gun on my lunch break....

clevohardcore - 5-4-2006 at 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by juandiablo
i'm buying a gun on my lunch break....

^^^^ are you getting a vietNOM .38 special?

JawnDiablo - 5-4-2006 at 01:20 PM

mac 10 nigga

crazyfists28 - 5-4-2006 at 02:27 PM

i can't believe someone actually likes/wants to see fights at shows, that's the last thing any scene or music needs. who wants to go to a show and worry that they're going to get the shit kicked out of them just standing there watching a band they like. i'm not talking about "moshing" and whatnot, i mean these pointless fights brought on by nothing more than meatheads that get off on beating somebody up, that really is a fucked up mentality. i love this band so i'll kick the shit out of someone for them...i'll just stay home then...

ENDERA.x - 5-4-2006 at 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by Discipline
Yeah, other than some Fury of Five stuff, I don't like any of those bands. As for the thug shit, it's the gangbanger menatality that started the end of hardcore. That shit fucked up shows, clubs, fans, etc. It all bullshit posturing.

Some definetly is bullshit posturing but not all..
I dont think so at least,

I think this over done posi shit is a load of crap. All the popular shit know what im talkin about..moreover, all this new mosh shit and the new hiphop-hardcore influence that the youth scene kids are getting into is still just as fucked up, but none of it is real to any extent!

Dumb motherfuckers looking to start fights at shows need to be dealt with. The end.

Some of these thugcore heads are real thugs.... otherwise they would quickly be recognized as fakes and I'm sure wouldn't be around long. Thugs can play hardcore their way too, but it's not often at least, that I've seen, that the shows have been combined with those types of hardcore bands and others, they stick to their own usually.

If someone is are into gangster shit it doesnt mean they are an idiot and will do this shit people speak of. There are morons everywhere right, and I would much rather toss the blame at a drunk jock kid that likes to throw his weight around at people smaller than him. Because I see that alot more. Not a drunk thug who doesnt actually need to try to prove himself if hes got a little but of a head on his shoulders

and for.. Toronto is fucked up, seriously. It's allllll hypocrite douche burbs kids, thats not hardcore to me.

anyways its not important, we all like what we like and shows in toronto i think should have more violence and less talk about commiting violent acts on message boards.

feel me?

clevohardcore - 5-4-2006 at 03:10 PM

Hardcore is hardcore. Fuck all the fighting and drama. It's bullshit. I've been in this scene since 1989 and I have senn tooo many fights and to many gay ass stories to last a lifetime. Everyone needs to get over themselves. Funny thing is all the ones starting fights back when I was gettin into the scene have been gone since around 1992. then we got a new crop of assholes that replaced them. They lasted til about 1995. Then a new crop that lasted until 1999. And so on. Fact is all those "tough guize" were never hardcore. they wer never into the music. they were like a bacteria infection. Take some anitbiotics and they are gone like the wind. In fact I have ran into some of those people over the years and they have no idea what bands they even saw live or who they were fighting. Its actually funny when you think of it.

Fighting does not make you hardcore. Doing roundhouse kicks at shows does not make you hardcore. Saying your hardcore does not make you hardcore. That shit is deep inside you and you know it when you don't have to where that flag around.

crazyfists28 - 5-4-2006 at 03:18 PM

well said....

Discipline - 5-4-2006 at 04:25 PM

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Originally posted by ENDERA.x

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I'm with you on the posi side of things. I think this new "youth crew" movement is pretty shitty for the most part.

XHonusWagnerX - 5-4-2006 at 05:03 PM

I think I dislike everything that MM likes in hardcore. When I listen to any of those 'thug' bands its for a laugh!

Ive never heard Vietnom, but that bio doesnt make me want to.

JawnDiablo - 5-4-2006 at 05:29 PM

UD SD in effect yall
puffin the dust and pumpin the sawdoff yo

DaveMoral - 5-4-2006 at 06:18 PM

for the life of me i can't figure out why every suburban herb wants to be a "thug" in the hardcore scene these days.

There are some people I just wouldn't fuck with in hardcore, but there are others that I see right through and can't help but laugh. All these fucking new jacks with pants droppin' down their ass and the same ball caps with straight bills cocked to the side. Bullshit. It's all bullshit to me. These are kids that have never had to struggle for anything in their lives and the just look like baffoons.

Of course, I also hate all the posi-core "I'm better than you because I'm posi" faggots who run around with the same camo cut-off shorts and walk like they've got a dick in their asses. Or the emo kids with their retarded hair cuts and girl pants.

Goddamn it, I hate just about everyone in hardcore these days.

tireironsaint - 5-4-2006 at 06:18 PM

I don't mind fights at shows if there's a legitimate reason for them, but how often does that happen? Maybe one fight out of a thousand is about something real. I'll fight if I need to, I'll back up my shit and make sure good people don't get jumped or beaten over stupid shit, but I won't join any fucking crew or play at being the hardest of the hard, I'm more than happy to leave that stupid shit to the MTV hip hop kids.

I have a huge problem with braindead "gangstas" who think HC is all about being the toughest guy around, carrying guns and knives to shows, beating kids senseless for not "respecting" their so called crew, and living like the MTV image of gangsta rappers. There's not a single thing about that lifestyle that has anything to do with HC. Playing shitty beats and trying to rap doesn't work in the context of HC, that shit is called Nu-Metal and is fucking worthless. In the words of Choke, crossover sucks.

I have no respect for any of the bands involved in that kind of shit, and even less for the "crews" they run with. And yeah, Endera, that includes that whole list you rattled off, there's not a single band on there that is worth half of a day old dog turd. These fuckers need to realize that they're never gonna make it in the rap scene and all their "reprazentin" to the contrary, they sure as fuck aren't HC kids.

Don't try to pretend that the only choice here is between this bullshit and the fucking posi scene. That shit is worthless as well and I'm not even gonna get started on what a waste it is. There are still some real bands playing real HC that has nothing to do with either of those scenes. Personally, I see both of them as being fucking parasites sucking the last drops out of a dying scene before it goes completely cold.

XHonusWagnerX - 5-4-2006 at 06:22 PM

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Originally posted by tireironsaint

I have a huge problem with braindead "gangstas" who think HC is all about being the toughest guy around, carrying guns and knives to shows, beating kids senseless for not "respecting" their so called crew

I have no respect for any of the bands involved in that kind of shit, and even less for the "crews" they run with.

There are still some real bands playing real HC that has nothing to do with either of those scenes.

well said!

Not to sound like a broken record talking about the same bands over and over, but I think SLAPSHOT falls into the catagory of bands playing real HC and not being in a scene or crew or any of that!

JawnDiablo - 5-4-2006 at 06:35 PM

yeah i hate most of the people out there

JawnDiablo - 5-4-2006 at 06:36 PM

GAMC seems like a good crew to me though haha

XHonusWagnerX - 5-4-2006 at 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by juandiablo
GAMC seems like a good crew to me though haha

I wish I was part of a crew that was a big joke, but we would probably get beat up for not being hard guys

JawnDiablo - 5-4-2006 at 06:44 PM

Id get beat up for being a mexican imposter

barc0debaby - 5-4-2006 at 09:53 PM

I need some initials to claim.

DaveMoral - 5-4-2006 at 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by juandiablo
Id get beat up for being a mexican imposter

By cholos? Haha.

Discipline - 5-5-2006 at 02:19 AM

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Originally posted by tireironsaint
I don't mind fights at shows if there's a legitimate reason for them, but how often does that happen? Maybe one fight out of a thousand is about something real. I'll fight if I need to, I'll back up my shit and make sure good people don't get jumped or beaten over stupid shit, but I won't join any fucking crew or play at being the hardest of the hard, I'm more than happy to leave that stupid shit to the MTV hip hop kids.

I have a huge problem with braindead "gangstas" who think HC is all about being the toughest guy around, carrying guns and knives to shows, beating kids senseless for not "respecting" their so called crew, and living like the MTV image of gangsta rappers. There's not a single thing about that lifestyle that has anything to do with HC. Playing shitty beats and trying to rap doesn't work in the context of HC, that shit is called Nu-Metal and is fucking worthless. In the words of Choke, crossover sucks.

I have no respect for any of the bands involved in that kind of shit, and even less for the "crews" they run with. And yeah, Endera, that includes that whole list you rattled off, there's not a single band on there that is worth half of a day old dog turd. These fuckers need to realize that they're never gonna make it in the rap scene and all their "reprazentin" to the contrary, they sure as fuck aren't HC kids.

Don't try to pretend that the only choice here is between this bullshit and the fucking posi scene. That shit is worthless as well and I'm not even gonna get started on what a waste it is. There are still some real bands playing real HC that has nothing to do with either of those scenes. Personally, I see both of them as being fucking parasites sucking the last drops out of a dying scene before it goes completely cold.

Once again, you've said it for me.

clevohardcore - 5-5-2006 at 08:27 AM

ME LOVE YOU RONG TIME. MOVE THIS PIT MOTHER FUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

XHonusWagnerX - 5-5-2006 at 08:52 AM

This thread has become rather controversial. Its interesting, I like it!

Voodoobillyman - 5-5-2006 at 10:17 AM

anything with the word core following it these days has the GAY. It's overdone and needs to be let go along with all other exploited post purities for people who created them out of need, not image. Oh yeah, and Rap sucks elephantitis testicles

BKT - 5-5-2006 at 11:31 AM

Thug Core is my fav. what can I say? Truth is I also like bands like Brand New, so it is not all hate all the time for me here. Fights are great, I have been fighting all my life, its just part of me now I guess. Like I give a fuck about crews or any of that shit, hell I dont even go to shows anymore, I just always have and always will love hardcore. I would rather spend my money on bottle service at a nightclub with hot assed chics all over the place instead of stinky shitty rat clubs with more cock than a gay bar and bitches that look like water buffalos. I must be crazy or something.

MM.

Discipline - 5-5-2006 at 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Boycott Christian HC
Vietnam-HC is better...

Great band!

JawnDiablo - 5-5-2006 at 06:14 PM

sheer terror broke up for a reason....nuff said

DaveMoral - 5-5-2006 at 07:03 PM

I don't mind crews, it's just fucked up when crews start to cross over into criminal outfits with criminal intentions and fuckin running shit like the mafia or the Hell's Angels and shit like that. Crews have always been in hardcore punk and oi and that's fine and all. I understand that shit to a degree.... but sometimes shit gets out of hand... and right now ever kid wants to be a thug for some reason... without realizing that real thugs are such because they had to be(kind of) and the thug life certainly isn't what THOSE dudes want for their kids.

Ah for fuck's sake...

barc0debaby - 5-5-2006 at 08:56 PM

thuggin 4 realz

Discipline - 5-5-2006 at 09:48 PM

I think the biggest reason that I could never thug myself out is the horrible grammar and the fucked up ways of spelling some words. I just can't understand the stupidity of it all. Why do people WANT to sound illiterate?

tireironsaint - 5-5-2006 at 10:08 PM

I'm not so much against crews that are just friends watching out for each other and trying to make a decent scene. Unfortunately, that seems to turn into gang mentality too often, but definitely not always. What I know of GAMC gives me hope that there are still some good people doing the crew thing.

DaveMoral - 5-5-2006 at 10:33 PM

It's just weird when it turns into something more along the lines of a biker gang, you know?

barc0debaby - 5-5-2006 at 11:32 PM

I am curious to see what effect la coka nostra is going to have on future hardcore thuggery.

Discipline - 5-6-2006 at 01:23 AM

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Originally posted by barc0debaby
I am curious to see what effect la coka nostra is going to have on future hardcore thuggery.

????

DaveMoral - 5-6-2006 at 10:01 AM

Yeah.... ????????????

BDx13 - 5-6-2006 at 11:34 AM

http://www.myspace.com/lacokanostramusic

Discipline - 5-6-2006 at 03:00 PM

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Originally posted by BD
http://www.myspace.com/lacokanostramusic

That is so pathetic. I don't know how people get into this shit. It's fucking ridiculous, stupid, and lame. Fucking idiots.

barc0debaby - 5-6-2006 at 05:06 PM

I am into hip hop just as much as hardcore and a couple of the artists involved such as sabac have very good, politically charged records out, but the overall idea is lame. After having the unfortunate experience of listening to danny diablos street cd, I think that he should be forced to sit in a closet for a long time.

DaveMoral - 5-6-2006 at 05:20 PM

what the hell does lacoka nostra have to do with hardcore?

barc0debaby - 5-6-2006 at 05:57 PM

Most of la coka nostra is with pitchfork and dms. Musically it has nothing to do with hardcore, but alot of ny hardcore bands are involved to an extent or just part of the crew from the looks of it.

ENDERA.x - 5-6-2006 at 07:11 PM

yup.
but they still wont have any show related ties to it, i dont think.
LCN are seperate. With the exception of metal/style logos too.

Basically, ALL NY UNDERGROUND HIPHOP has something to do with NYHC because they are all street wise characters. Thats how it is there, people ARENT one thing or the other as much as most other places. And I like that alot.

Fucking close minded people. (like most hiphop heads and even alot of hardcore kids and punks... and dont get me started on techmetal/scenester kids, but some of them like hiphop too and kinda dress it, if its cool that is... or they just wanna be LA)

thedog - 5-6-2006 at 07:50 PM

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Originally posted by tireironsaint
I'm not so much against crews that are just friends watching out for each other and trying to make a decent scene. Unfortunately, that seems to turn into gang mentality too often, but definitely not always. What I know of GAMC gives me hope that there are still some good people doing the crew thing.

well said.
GAMC is definitely one of the crews you really dont hear any negatives about.

tireironsaint - 5-6-2006 at 09:49 PM

So it's closed minded now to think something that has proven itself to be worthless, mindless bullshit is exactly that, Endera? Fuck that. I refuse to subject myself to anything with that much moronic bullshit behind it just because someone wants to accuse me of not being "open minded" enough. That's a particular phrase that really pisses me off to begin with. I put thought and reason into anything I get involved with or choose not to involve myself with. I'm not some idiot who is going to slam something just because it's outside the range of some imaginary blinders someone thinks I'm wearing. If I think something is fucked up, I have good reason for thinking so. Like what you like, but don't tell me I have no right to dislike it or say that it's exactly what I think it is.

Discipline - 5-6-2006 at 11:51 PM

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Originally posted by tireironsaint
So it's closed minded now to think something that has proven itself to be worthless, mindless bullshit is exactly that, Endera? Fuck that. I refuse to subject myself to anything with that much moronic bullshit behind it just because someone wants to accuse me of not being "open minded" enough. That's a particular phrase that really pisses me off to begin with. I put thought and reason into anything I get involved with or choose not to involve myself with. I'm not some idiot who is going to slam something just because it's outside the range of some imaginary blinders someone thinks I'm wearing. If I think something is fucked up, I have good reason for thinking so. Like what you like, but don't tell me I have no right to dislike it or say that it's exactly what I think it is.

Yeah nigga!

DaveMoral - 5-7-2006 at 09:34 AM

'saint, I think it's fair to write off the clownish thuggery of most hip hop... take 50 cent as an example of that... but from where I'm at it's not entirely fair to write off the whole hip hop scene when they've got strong presences from the likes of KRS- ONE, Public Enemy, Dead Prez(though they take the gangsta image and flip around to be used against the government rather than on each other in the streets, which can be kind of corny), Common, Talib Kweli and others like them. Shit, one of my closest friends is an MC, he put out a tracks promoting vegan straight edge.

MTV bullshit, for the most part, crap and not worth your time. Same can be said for the majority of "hardcore" on MTV is crap and not worth any of our time.

Back to the La Coka tip... I'd rather see Everlast doing something else, the Whitey Ford shit was tight.

tireironsaint - 5-7-2006 at 03:32 PM

I'm not dismissing the actual hip hop scene, just the MTV version and the people who try to pull that gangster bullshit and call it Hard Core. I'm not personally into much rap or hip hop, but there is a small amount of it that I can enjoy from time to time. My big issue is really with the assholes who are destroying a scene I grew up on by turning it into yet another mentally deficient, money worshipping, gun toting, piece of worthless shit.

ENDERA.x - 5-7-2006 at 03:52 PM

you took me wrong on that one, i meant arent instead of are though.
which is a big difference.

i didnt say you were, or rather, i didnt mean you were.

DaveMoral - 5-7-2006 at 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by tireironsaint
I'm not dismissing the actual hip hop scene, just the MTV version and the people who try to pull that gangster bullshit and call it Hard Core. I'm not personally into much rap or hip hop, but there is a small amount of it that I can enjoy from time to time. My big issue is really with the assholes who are destroying a scene I grew up on by turning it into yet another mentally deficient, money worshipping, gun toting, piece of worthless shit.

I'm feeling you on that. I can deal with the thuggish, beat heads thing... I actually like that... but the "gang-banger" get cash, iced grill shit annoys me. Danny Diable gave me a laugh with that stuff.

ENDERA.x - 5-8-2006 at 02:25 AM

i think danny is just fucking around honsestly.. now hes just about gettin a name out and makin some real money for all the years hes been in the underground.. you know what im sayin? and why not really... he can go for it, it might bbe a load that I really dont like, but its still better than what the other mainstream hiphop alternatives are

Discipline - 5-8-2006 at 01:24 PM

I don't think Diablo is fucking around, seeing as he seems to take his shit pretty seriously. Takes himself pretty seriously these days too.

DaveMoral - 5-8-2006 at 05:21 PM

Regardless, that shit's annoying when suburban kids in the hardcore scene ape that shit just like suburban nerds who are trying to be hip hop ape the gangsta shit... I just want to pound 'em into the ground.

BKT - 5-9-2006 at 11:12 AM

La Coka Nostra is the shit. Those are some good tracks from the myspace site. This is a hardcore board here, I would not imagaine a lot of the people on this board would be into this at all. Espically considering that the main focous of the people on this board seem to be towards trad. hardcore as oppossed to the tough guy stuff. None the less if there is anyone who likes that Coks Nostra you also may want to hit up Jedi Mind Tricks and Army of the Pharos. Good stuff.

MM.

gavin - 5-9-2006 at 01:12 PM

i knew vinny from jedi mind tricks when he was a little kid, skating around on his board
good dude he is

BKT - 5-9-2006 at 02:24 PM

Vinny Paz is one of the sickest MC's around. Good voice and mad as fuck. Love that shit.

MM.

DaveMoral - 5-9-2006 at 05:58 PM

I met this dude, Dave was his name, who is down the Jedi Mind Tricks cats.... he's an MC, convert to Islam, and back in the day when he was like 11 or 12 he used to pal around with hardcore kids and straight edgers... ended up with a straight edge tattoo. When I met him he had nothing to do with hardcore, total wigger.

gavin - 5-9-2006 at 07:48 PM

vinny is a very good dude
i dont know shit about his music
heard it a few times
whatever
but he is a real nice guy
known him for years