Warzone Question?

XHonusWagnerX - 5-22-2006 at 08:09 AM

Anyone know what year WARZONE broke up?

stateofdisgrace - 5-22-2006 at 09:23 AM

If memory serves me correctly, they didn't break up. I think Raybeez passed and that was the end of the band. I know someone who can get more details for sure.

XHonusWagnerX - 5-22-2006 at 09:25 AM

What year did Ray die?

clevohardcore - 5-22-2006 at 09:26 AM

they never boke up and he died in spring of 1997

clevohardcore - 5-22-2006 at 09:27 AM

From what I remember

clevohardcore - 5-22-2006 at 10:24 AM

H2O played a memorial show for him on OCT 4th 1997. He must have past in the summer.

XnMeX - 5-22-2006 at 10:46 AM

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What year did Ray die?

Check the back of any old Victory cd...

JawnDiablo - 5-22-2006 at 10:54 AM

i have a tape at home of one of the benefit shows at cbgb for Rabies after he died.
it is 25 ta life, Madball, Murphys Law and Agnostic Front (right after getting back together) evan of Biohazard is doing security at the stage, and The singer of Killing Time comes out and sings Fools Die with Madball. A really great tape all in all.

pardon me for asking, but what exactly did Ray die from?
I heard it was pneumonia or something.

BKT - 5-22-2006 at 11:51 AM

Warzone was a great band. Don't forget the Struggle was a killer album. I went to see them play in London Ontario, but they did not get over the border. Too bad, because about 3 months later Ray passed away. That was so long ago now, time flys.

MM.

clevohardcore - 5-22-2006 at 12:11 PM

pneumonia I was told he had no health insurance and it started as a cold that was untreated. I saw them in spring of 1996 for the last time.

CR83 - 5-22-2006 at 02:58 PM

Didn't drugs play a part of his demise? Wasn't he into the "h"?

Spoiler - 5-22-2006 at 03:45 PM

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Didn't drugs play a part of his demise? Wasn't he into the "h"?

No,Ray had been clean for years.I got to see Warzone for the first time just a few months before Raybeez passed away.I have some pics of that show somewhere.

clevohardcore - 5-22-2006 at 03:47 PM

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Didn't drugs play a part of his demise? Wasn't he into the "h"?

^^^^ I have no idea but maybe I'm too scene to say this but he was straight edge. He preached the lifestyle and broke free from drugs way back in the day. I looked at him as a positive influence, but all I knew was the records he put out. I never new him.

If he was into heroine I lost all respect. Seriously. I hate being lied to.

clevohardcore - 5-22-2006 at 03:49 PM

I know he carried some stab wounds though. Dude was scarred up.

DaveMoral - 5-22-2006 at 06:38 PM

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Didn't drugs play a part of his demise? Wasn't he into the "h"?

Yeah, everything I have from Warzone has a straight edge tune on it.

I got into hardcore right after Ray died... sad too cuz I got WAAAAY into Warzone before I found out.

sippers - 5-22-2006 at 07:50 PM

i saw warzone in 89 and ray was a scary mofo to me being 17 at the time.there was all of maybe ten peeps at the show.ray did his show on the floor and the crew wrecked havoc on anyone who tried to dance.saw them again in 97 got made sing a longs w/him a time i'll never forget.i was sad when i found out he passed on..to think where warzone would be today i wonder sometimes..

Discipline - 5-22-2006 at 10:24 PM

About the whole edge thing, I read an interview with Parris Mayhew some time last year. He said Ray was full of shit, and was still doing drugs all the time. Parris claimed that Ray was snorting some coke right in front of him, and than asked that Parris not tell anybody.

Whether that's true, I don't know. Could be true, or maybe Parris was just talking shit because Ray is revered as a hardcore god and Mayhew ain't.

JawnDiablo - 5-22-2006 at 11:00 PM

honestly, i could care less about the secret going ons of dead hardcore dudes. they had some good songs. and the dude put on a good live show. aside from that im not going to put anything any knucklehead says up on a pedastal. i jcould really give a shit.

tireironsaint - 5-22-2006 at 11:03 PM

My understanding is that Ray had a lot of issues with addictions. Apparently he was quite serious about being sXe, but kept falling back into old habits. He would clean up, get sober and then fall back into old routines after a while. This, of course, is second hand information, but being someone with addictive troubles myself, I can see how that could happen. Addictions tend to get the better of people sometimes, that's the problem with them.

JawnDiablo - 5-22-2006 at 11:11 PM

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My understanding is that Ray had a lot of issues with addictions. Apparently he was quite serious about being sXe, but kept falling back into old habits. He would clean up, get sober and then fall back into old routines after a while. This, of course, is second hand information, but being someone with addictive troubles myself, I can see how that could happen. Addictions tend to get the better of people sometimes, that's the problem with them.

I can relate to that being i am tryin to straighten out my own life at this point. im not shooting dope or anything, but beleive me, i have my demons, and they dont go away so easily. but all in all, i liked allot of their music, the man obviously had alot of heart, which noone can deny, but i dunno...like they say dead men cant defend themselves....or somethin like that...im talking in circles here

clevohardcore - 5-22-2006 at 11:24 PM

I know Ray wrote a ton about being addicted and reclaiming his life and I thought that held more water than say Karl Earth Crisis since Ray actually knew what addiction was like and Karl was only living it for the lifestyle. Not to diss Karl for convictions I just always looked to experience as the true voice.

This issue of abuse would make the death by sickness more believeable. I always thought his death by being sick was a little far fetched but it does happen I guess. Its all sad whatever the case. They had some great records and awsome shows.

Spoiler - 5-23-2006 at 05:28 AM

FREE AT LAST
"I found it years ago trying to find it again,but if I fall I want let it be the end,I've heard people say they have no faith in me,Drink their alcohol smoke that dust,talk about me and their live are fucked,time has come to do whats right,don't want to live dead-lose the fight,
FREE AT LAST,FROM THE DRUGS I CRAVE,FREE AT LAST FROM THE ALCOHOLS DAZE,FREE AT LAST FROM THE PCP,FREE AT LAST FROM THE INSANITY.
so if I fall what will you do ? Cause what I need is a friend in you,I wonder if you'll laugh at me or help me to stay drug free,but if you choose to walk away and come back another day,I'll be gone to a better place and on my own I'll win the race,they'll be other friends who'll stick by by me,side by side for eternity,but if I must be alone and do it all on my own,I'll win the fight thats for sure in my heart I'll stay pure.
PERSEVERANCE-DEEP INSIDE ME-A MISSION-THATS MEANT TO BE-FIRE-BURNING IN MY SOUL-DRUG FREE-MY LIFES GOAL.

FREE AT LAST FROM THE DRUGS I CRAZE,FREE AT LAST FROM THE ALOCHOLS DAZE,FREE AT LAST FROM THE PCP,FREE AT LAST FROM THE INSANITY.

I think the split 10" / CD that they did with Cause for alarm was the best stuff that they ever released...it was CFA's best stuff too.IMO.

CR83 - 5-23-2006 at 12:17 PM

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I think that is an amazing perspective. I wish more people thought this way.

DaveMoral - 5-23-2006 at 06:40 PM

A close friend of mine is a recovering heroin addict... he spent time in jail for it, straightend out... got into hardcore and became straight edge... fell off, hit up the weed, and smokes... and now he's trying to get his edge back. I respect that dude immensely. I've never touched shit, and I think dudes struggling with addiction... and breaking away and maybe falling back but continuing to strive against it is far more honorable and praiseworthy than merely never touching the shit.

I always did think Ray had some issues with falling back... Throw me a line is a good case in point. At any rate, the dude gets mad respect for me and I never saw Warzone or met him... he's gone but never forgotten, that's for sure. Perhaps his struggles with addiction is why he never said "straight edge" in the songs I've heard... just "drug free" because of the stigma that straight edgers have attached to breaking and re-claiming. For me that's some gay-assed politics and "holier-than-thou" shit, struggling with anything is what's real not some contrived "immunity" from those sorts of temptations. Fuck that shit, and fuck those dudes.