what makes a band...........

gavin - 7-25-2006 at 07:48 PM

a "hardcore" band
and what makes a band a "metal" band

i hear some people call bands like hatebreed a hardcore band but that shit sounds really metal to me

is it just what a band claims to be?
if you say "we are a hardcore band" that makes it the case or what?

lemme know what youz think
cuz all i hear is metal

tireironsaint - 7-25-2006 at 08:23 PM

I've been wondering what the standard answer to this question is for a while now too. Anybody got any real answers?

tireironsaint - 7-25-2006 at 08:24 PM

Oh, my vote goes to haircuts.

XHonusWagnerX - 7-25-2006 at 09:01 PM

XHonusWagnerX - 7-25-2006 at 09:01 PM

That picture was just me trying to be whitty.... I actually think that most of the new 'hardcore' bands are metal bands trying to distance themselves from the metal scene.

JawnDiablo - 7-25-2006 at 09:04 PM

I too have been thinking the same thing as of lately. When i was first getting into this kind of music in my early teens, you could pretty much tell the difference by guitar sound, lyrical content, production quality and so on. I mean there was quite a difference between My War from Black Flag And Reign In Blood From Slayer. In recent years I've seen HAtebreed and Slayer sharing the same bill. Back then it seemed like hardcore bands wanted to seperate themselves from the metal thing, no it blends in, for example look at the last AF CD. I like AF, but that disc is no Victim In Pain. I think I might have strayed from the subject here, but I havent slept more than 3 hours in the last 2 days so my attention span is really short.

upyerbum - 7-25-2006 at 09:11 PM

Hardcore was always heavily metal influenced. I think the sounds have met in the middle and nobody knows what to call it (I know what I call it :cool:

). But its not hardcore and its not metal. It seems to be a seperate scene as well, cuz I never see any of that Kung-fu stuff at the shows I go to.

gavin - 7-25-2006 at 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by upyerbum
Hardcore was always heavily metal influenced. I think the sounds have met in the middle and nobody knows what to call it (I know what I call it :cool:

). But its not hardcore and its not metal. It seems to be a seperate scene as well, cuz I never see any of that Kung-fu stuff at the shows I go to.

hardcore was not always heavily metal influenced

defstarsteve - 7-25-2006 at 10:04 PM

I always liked metal, hardcore and punk

and in the ole days I divided them like this

punk---bad production, and musicianship, smelly kids, too politcal, too many drugs and too much drinking, but a damn good time and it didn't matter who you were as long as you were there, this is back when it was people takng risks with music not follow the risk takers trends

hardcore---better production, songs that spoke to and about working hard and playing harder...
some metal riffs but it was faster and harder then punk, power chords can only be played so many ways, hardcore got started because kids were sick of all the bullshit punk shows...

metal---too much production, songs about satan, demons, being metal, girls, parties, and yes some dragons and castles but it's metal so fuck it...

where did it go wrong....
nirvana rancid green day tool and rage against the machine

punk was lowkey and fun noone was getting rich and the scene was a good size, nirvana, rancid and green day got signed and blue spikey hair got popular again.... punk on a major label selling millions of copies... the risk was gone....and for those who sought the more pure roots of the punk movment, they became elitist fucks who stare you down if you dont have your punk costume correct
punk isn't dead it's the living dead, brain dead zombies who follow thier fashion too close to tell if the music sucks

metal...became nu-metal thanks to tool and rage against the machine...
it's fine to like rap, and metal, but hey you white fuck, you're not in the beastie boys so you can't rap, and learn how to actually play more then 2 chords...this shit is dead now and the shit they are passing off as metal now is still pretty weak sauce, but they are trying.... my biggest beef with metal now is everything fucking band has the same tone, you can tell slayer from maiden at the first fucking note played, but this new crap bores me to death

hardcore... where did it all go wrong, too much thug shit for sure, too much metal riffing, and again an elitist attitude across the board, you don't have this limited 7" on pussy pink, and I heard of this band first and was at this fest.....

really there are too many bands, and not enough kids, the internet made it too easy for kids to be lazy
no more paper zines, no more tape trading, no more working together for something better
I'm better then you and my scene cred is how many posts I have on bridge 9

there is no more hardcore casue shit is too easy and it doesn't exist in the core of their lives anymore, no more hardcore

babble over

sippers - 7-25-2006 at 10:25 PM

what makes a hardcore band is strong ass rolling bass solos fast and fucking furious..

MyOwnWay - 7-25-2006 at 10:59 PM

Metal: Dueling guitars and thick low growling vocals ( or ungodly high vox).

Hardcore: Power chords and vocals that sound like you are fed up and frustrated.

...Now theres a lot more to both but thats my sum of it....

clevohardcore - 7-25-2006 at 11:02 PM

double bass makes it metal.

DaveMoral - 7-26-2006 at 12:37 AM

CONSTANT double bass makes it metal. Double bass is okay here and there... but all the time is freakin' Cannibal Corpse.

Hardcore seems like attitude is the majority of it, but then again what the hell do I know? I got into hardcore through the likes of Earth Crisis and alot of 90s bands. I loved NYHC from early on, but still... I'm a new jack next to all youse guys.

clevohardcore - 7-26-2006 at 01:36 AM

I was joking witht he D BASS thing. Seriously though. Hardcore was not ment to be a music played by "expert" musicians. Not that learning music is a stupid thing and getting better at a instrument is great, but seriously its a music of rebellion. Not a music to be glossy in the studio or on the radio.

Voodoobillyman - 7-26-2006 at 07:49 AM

It's simple..........the shit you see on Headbangers Ball, is NOT hardcore by definition.

Hardcore was a more powerfull and furious version of punk "hardcore punk" then it slowly morphed into some kind of metal hybrid and got GAYED up. Now it is a whole new animal. You have to seek real hardcore punk the good ol fashioned way, by pounding turf and searching for it. It's out there, I think DC has a nice resurgence of roots hardcore bands going on right now.