Are we part of the problem or part of the solution?

XHonusWagnerX - 12-6-2006 at 01:14 PM

I know that I do it ALL the time, but is all the bashing of kinds wearing girls pants and white belts and eye liner etc. any different than people who bashed on anything that was a silly 'old school' style?

T-shirt over a hoodie
X uped gardening gloves
Mike Judges chain belt

Dont get me wrong, Im not suggesting that ANYONE stop talking shit on all that crap because its really lame, Im just wondering if its just a modern comparision of my grandmother telling my dad that The Beatles were just to damn loud!

JawnDiablo - 12-6-2006 at 01:16 PM

mike judge didn't look like a little cock sucking faggot though

moron - 12-6-2006 at 01:53 PM

Im sure people thought that mohawks were stupid when people first started having them. I dont really see a difference here either. I try not to give people too much shit for wearing girl pants and the like even though I think it looks stupid.

gavin - 12-6-2006 at 01:55 PM

im so removed from any sort of fashion that it dosent bother me
kids are kids

Siczine.com - 12-6-2006 at 01:58 PM

I see what you mean, and it's a good point. But it seems back in those days they were dressing to rebel against fashion and materialism rather than the kids today who are doing it to be fashionable. But I guess you could say dressing to rebel is a fashion statement in it's own right but it wasn't such a parade.

gavin - 12-6-2006 at 01:58 PM

and really i dont see those kids as part of anything i know about
so why would i care?
they are not "hardcore" or whatever they think they are
what do i care?
its the same to me as people into rap or metal guys or whatever
its not my thing and they are nowhere near what im about

upyerbum - 12-6-2006 at 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by moron
Im sure people thought that mohawks were stupid when people first started having them. I dont really see a difference here either. I try not to give people too much shit for wearing girl pants and the like even though I think it looks stupid.

When you've got a mohawk its empowering, if you've never had one, try it. I don't think I'd get the same feeling from girl-pants and white belts. These guys are seriously more fruity than the fruits.

Voodoobillyman - 12-6-2006 at 02:24 PM

Good point Honus. The biggest difference I see is this,When I was younger and dressing "differently" to express myself I couldn't go to the local Hot Topic to find all of my rebellious needs. It's very assembly line these days whereas back in my heyday you had a certain uniformity(even the skins and punks of the eighties all looked alike for the time) to the look but it was all hand done and had a distinct personality to it.

XHonusWagnerX - 12-6-2006 at 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by Voodoobillyman
Good point Honus. The biggest difference I see is this,When I was younger and dressing "differently" to express myself I couldn't go to the local Hot Topic to find all of my rebellious needs. It's very assembly line these days whereas back in my heyday you had a certain uniformity(even the skins and punks of the eighties all looked alike for the time) to the look but it was all hand done and had a distinct personality to it.

well said... the fact that ALL the stuff that these kids want to wear to "rebel" is available at any mall in America cheapens it a lot!

random - 12-6-2006 at 03:34 PM

Solution. Definitely solution.

Discipline - 12-6-2006 at 06:20 PM

Foot high 3-colour mohawk = rebelling

Girl pants and eyeliner = the first step to coming out of the closet, as well as looking wimpier than the Cure

upyerbum - 12-6-2006 at 07:00 PM

Seriously. If you want to wear your emotions on the outside go get a motherfuckin' tattoo.

Siczine.com - 12-6-2006 at 07:04 PM

Thats another thing that has gotten out of hand within the hardcore scene, tattoos. It's like kids just get sleeves to be "hardcore" looking.

DaveMoral - 12-6-2006 at 07:05 PM

I don't know... I think we're problems just as much as they are. Nothing's worse than a bunch of bitter aging hardcore/punk dudes complaining about the "kids these days." They cheapen what we loved and contributed to, and we walk away from it because of these kids. Like it or not we've all handed over the reigns. Short of building a "shadow scene" it's all been taken over by long-hairs and sissies.

I'm realizing I don't even care anymore... not just about what these kids are doing with themselves and calling hardcore... but about hardcore in general. What I loved, what my seniors in hardcore/punk loved before what I loved "ruined" it, and what these kids love that's "ruined" what we all loved.... it's all pointless bullshit and I can put on something from any era that I dig and just jam to it. Fuck going to shows or buying most of the new records... give me a little Cash, Merle and some Sinatra and I'm likely to have a better listening experience than even going back and trying to rock some records I bought in the last year.

I think I'm going to go through my CDs and get rid of more than a few... stuff I don't listen to anymore, stuff that gives me a headache. That sort of thing.

Funny too, recent additions to hardcore tend to give me a headache and make me tense... yet Judge and Breakdown are relaxing. Just all seems so damn weird to me... I'd rather listen to the soundtracks for Crouching Tiger, Hero and House of Flying Daggers more than anything else these days anyways.

Must be all the meditation and philosophy shit I'm into...

JawnDiablo - 12-6-2006 at 07:14 PM

i'm giving up hardcore for my new years resolution for 2007
nice knowing yous

MyOwnWay - 12-6-2006 at 09:03 PM

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Originally posted by upyerbum
Seriously. If you want to wear your emotions on the outside go get a motherfuckin' tattoo.

Goddamit. I could not have said it better myself.

Post of the fucking year.

Discipline - 12-6-2006 at 10:01 PM

A thought occurred to me. Back in the early to mid-eighties when hardcore was at its best, dudes who dressed like chicks were all listening to shit like Wham, Culture Club, Duran Duran, etc. Faggy new wave and pop music. How did that turn into faggy looking dudes listening to shitty emo and metalcore? 20 years ago these fruits would have gotten their asses stomped if they came to a hardcore show looking the way they do, yet these days it seems to be a common trend. I just don't fucking get it.

Siczine.com - 12-6-2006 at 10:13 PM

As stupid as a person dresses, it shouldn't give anybody the right to hit them because of it. That's doing the samething that the frat/jocks that would try to gang up on a kid with a mohawk back in those times that you say are the best. You're reducing yourself to the very thing you hate. And nothing is worse than hypocrisy.

clevohardcore - 12-6-2006 at 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by MrBadVibes
im so removed from any sort of fashion that it dosent bother me
kids are kids

^^^^^^^ true.

Discipline - 12-6-2006 at 10:42 PM

I didn't say that I do such things. But remember how bad the battles were back in the 80's between skins and metalheads. I'm saying that back in those days, if a guy came to a show dressed in eyeliner, girl pants, a white belt, and a poison shirt then it's likely he would have gotten his ass handed to him. I'm not saying that that is necessarily a good thing, but when I see those kids being associated with hardcore I get pissed off. They have nothing to do with hardcore music or the hardcore scene that I always associated myself with. They are a scene all to their own. Unfortunatley the various forms of media like to lump us all together. Let's just say that I can't see Negative Approach or Black Flag playing a show with Atreyu or Good Charlotte. I also don't see the fans of those bands going to eachothers shows. It's two different things being given the same name. That's what bothers me.

XHonusWagnerX - 12-6-2006 at 11:00 PM

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Originally posted by Discipline
A thought occurred to me. Back in the early to mid-eighties when hardcore was at its best, dudes who dressed like chicks were all listening to shit like Wham, Culture Club, Duran Duran, etc. Faggy new wave and pop music. How did that turn into faggy looking dudes listening to shitty emo and metalcore? 20 years ago these fruits would have gotten their asses stomped if they came to a hardcore show looking the way they do, yet these days it seems to be a common trend. I just don't fucking get it.

What about like TSOL... they wore frilly shirts and make up. Some of the Cali bands did in the early 80's.

Siczine.com - 12-6-2006 at 11:30 PM

Yeah I figured as much but I was just pointing out how stupid it is for people to act like fashion vigilantes.

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Originally posted by Discipline
I didn't say that I do such things. But remember how bad the battles were back in the 80's between skins and metalheads. I'm saying that back in those days, if a guy came to a show dressed in eyeliner, girl pants, a white belt, and a poison shirt then it's likely he would have gotten his ass handed to him. I'm not saying that that is necessarily a good thing, but when I see those kids being associated with hardcore I get pissed off. They have nothing to do with hardcore music or the hardcore scene that I always associated myself with. They are a scene all to their own. Unfortunatley the various forms of media like to lump us all together. Let's just say that I can't see Negative Approach or Black Flag playing a show with Atreyu or Good Charlotte. I also don't see the fans of those bands going to eachothers shows. It's two different things being given the same name. That's what bothers me.

godabandonedme - 12-7-2006 at 03:32 AM

Wait a second. So wearing a pair of etnies, slightly baggy jeans and a normal fitting shirt is NOT cool now? Damnit.

upyerbum - 12-7-2006 at 10:46 AM

Boots, jeans, t-shirt. Thats the style I discovered when I was twelve and I've stuck with it for 23 years. Those emo kids are the same as the kids who were raving in the 90's and glam metal dicks from the eighties. Fashion victims.

upyerbum - 12-8-2006 at 09:39 AM

This should answer the question once and for all......

http://www.sailinganarchy.com/general/2002/cool_test.htm

Voodoobillyman - 12-8-2006 at 06:01 PM

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Originally posted by upyerbum
Seriously. If you want to wear your emotions on the outside go get a motherfuckin' tattoo.

They do, you haven't heard of the overnight sleeves plan, all the "hardcore" rich kids are doing it

Discipline - 12-8-2006 at 06:02 PM

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Originally posted by Voodoobillyman

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Originally posted by upyerbum
Seriously. If you want to wear your emotions on the outside go get a motherfuckin' tattoo.

They do, you haven't heard of the overnight sleeves plan, all the "hardcore" rich kids are doing it

Don't get me started on that shit.

JawnDiablo - 12-8-2006 at 06:54 PM

AIDS will cure EMO

Discipline - 12-8-2006 at 08:06 PM

We can only hope.