Thorp and Sailor's Grave Board

Dec 2007 - NEW YORK HARDCORE 1986-1993 The Book!

MikeFromInhuman - 4-24-2007 at 04:12 PM

New book coming in December 2007.

I answered questions for it last year.
Can't wait to read it!

http://www.myspace.com/newyorkhardcore1986_1993

Discipline - 4-24-2007 at 04:16 PM

Sweet.

BDx13 - 4-24-2007 at 05:20 PM

interesting.

JUICE MAYNE MSHC - 4-24-2007 at 05:24 PM

according to the cocksuckers in the American Hardcore book/film, hardcore died in 1985. I'll be checking this out.

XHonusWagnerX - 4-24-2007 at 06:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BD
interesting.

geneterror - 4-24-2007 at 06:37 PM

This looks great! I've always been a big fan of NY bands (who isn't?) and those guys ranting at the end of American Hardcore about how hardcore died in '86 kind of left me with a bad taste in my mouth and let down what was an otherwise amazing book/movie.

clevohardcore - 4-24-2007 at 10:22 PM

Ya seriously. Shit got better int he late 80's and fuck, even the nineties.

JawnDiablo - 4-25-2007 at 08:33 AM

there damn well better be an entire section on Sheer Terror damn it.

gavin - 4-25-2007 at 09:34 AM

everyone thinks that their period, the period that they were going to shows, is the best
you cant blame the people who made the doc. for saying that once their period was over that it was done
just like some of you think the 90s had something to offer
its because you were there

JUICE MAYNE MSHC - 4-25-2007 at 09:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MrBadVibes
everyone thinks that their period, the period that they were going to shows, is the best
you cant blame the people who made the doc. for saying that once their period was over that it was done
just like some of you think the 90s had something to offer
its because you were there


I understand what you're saying but the vibe of that documentary was "it died in 85 and nothing that came afterwards mattered, go home, it's over" But there were guys like Jimmy G and Stigma in there that I'm sure think their heyday was the best but they're not saying that everyone who came after was irrelevant

gavin - 4-25-2007 at 10:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JUICE MAYNE MSHC
Quote:
Originally posted by MrBadVibes
everyone thinks that their period, the period that they were going to shows, is the best
you cant blame the people who made the doc. for saying that once their period was over that it was done
just like some of you think the 90s had something to offer
its because you were there


I understand what you're saying but the vibe of that documentary was "it died in 85 and nothing that came afterwards mattered, go home, it's over" But there were guys like Jimmy G and Stigma in there that I'm sure think their heyday was the best but they're not saying that everyone who came after was irrelevant



because they are still playing

i havent been to a real "hardcore" type show since 1989 or 1990
the 90s hardcore thing didnt happen for me
i found it boring and i was not interested in it at all
but for those of youz who were active in it, more power to you
personally i can only think of a handful of bands during that time that i liked

JawnDiablo - 4-25-2007 at 10:34 AM

I got into hardcore from hearing black flag, DRI, Misfits, Minor Threat and so on from dudes i skated with and shit. I was a metal dude reformed so to speak.
I didn't really get on board with "HC"until 90 or so. even then, I was only 15. I missed the first wave, because I was too young to experience it. So 88-93 were my years of interest. After 96 or so, i was just not too into the whole thing.
Both time periods are noteworthy.
Both for different reasons.
I would never go as far as to say hardcore is dead, but seriosly, people need to stop trying to pass off chugga chugga thugga bands as being part of the same thing.
some are ok.
but i don't like most.

ENDERA.x - 4-25-2007 at 11:33 AM

its not only the chugga bands now its the scene tight girl pants wearing bands that play metal too that call it hardcore
they dont even have a second in any of their songs that sounds anything like a traditional or other real hardcore bands.

whatever it still will always be real recognizes real. the rest dont matter.

yeah that whole vibe in the end of american hardcore irritated me. they could have just said, that was when this style sort of ended or whatever and the styles changed, without going on into what it was changing into that would mean they would have to make another documentary. i mean its just ignorant to say that hardcore died and nothing happened after that. i totally get what badvibes said about it that everyone thinks their period is the best and then what juice said after that i agree with as well so... its all how you look at it i mean. if anything though, i wasnt going to hardcore shows until the late 90's and i dont think thats the best period. it was better back then even than it is now for sure. its on a downhill slope. i much prefer the 90's style hardcore and late 80's sounds. everything now is just pretty much becoming repetitive and boring to me.

anyway, i'd love to read this.

Discipline - 4-25-2007 at 02:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by juandiablo
I got into hardcore from hearing black flag, DRI, Misfits, Minor Threat and so on from dudes i skated with and shit. I was a metal dude reformed so to speak.
I didn't really get on board with "HC"until 90 or so. even then, I was only 15. I missed the first wave, because I was too young to experience it. So 88-93 were my years of interest. After 96 or so, i was just not too into the whole thing.
Both time periods are noteworthy.
Both for different reasons.
I would never go as far as to say hardcore is dead, but seriosly, people need to stop trying to pass off chugga chugga thugga bands as being part of the same thing.
some are ok.
but i don't like most.


I'm pretty much the same.

I also agree with Endera about the girl pant wearing queers.

JawnDiablo - 4-25-2007 at 02:41 PM

I just don't understand the tight pants wearing gayards with the hair in the eyes.
but like someone else said before, it's just fashion. its's ggay in my eyes, but for some reason it ain't going way.
I thought Eminem and Kid Rock were gay butt they got big.
who am I? d R I

ENDERA.x - 4-25-2007 at 03:35 PM

everything shitty gets big it seems. :P its cool to look like fucking transvestite and look like davey havok these days too.

some guy with makeup on walked by someone wearing a straight edge shirt and said straight edge was gay...

i lol'd.

MikeFromInhuman - 4-26-2007 at 10:36 AM

I have a feeling this is the first of many books about the 2nd Wave of Hardcore.
The only one before this was from 1997, the ALL AGES book that Revelation put out and it was decent. This one looks to be much better for sure.

Within another 5 yrs or so, a proper book about the 94-2000 era will be out there.

ENDERA.x - 4-26-2007 at 11:13 AM

Who will do that though?

JawnDiablo - 4-26-2007 at 12:49 PM

I will illustrate the book for 2001-2007 by crapping on a sheet of paper and photographing it.

ENDERA.x - 4-26-2007 at 01:00 PM

nice.