that's it bomb them all

defstarsteve - 6-13-2007 at 09:02 PM

Building nuclear weapons I can deal with but this is fucking wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Iran moves to execute porn stars

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/06/13/iran.porn.ap/index...

I don't care anymore, I am done with tolerance
you fuck with a man's porn you fuck with his whole world....

Murk - 6-13-2007 at 09:07 PM

now, that's worth going to war for.

Discipline - 6-13-2007 at 09:22 PM

BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Six66Mike - 6-13-2007 at 10:08 PM

Haha that's funny shit.

Siczine.com - 6-13-2007 at 10:29 PM

God bless America.

defstarsteve - 6-13-2007 at 11:22 PM

dirka dirka is okay
jerka jerka bad....
what kind of world do we live in?

america fuck ya!

Six66Mike - 6-13-2007 at 11:34 PM

One where people can make their own rules & laws however they see fit.

Americans execute mentally retarded people, Iran may possibly execute porn stars.

Who cares.

defstarsteve - 6-13-2007 at 11:40 PM

dude I hate a lot of americas policies, but the death penatly for porn....

maybe this is just anti-iranian propaganda to get more lazy teenage boys to join the service to fight those freedom loving bastards...

(sarcasam runs deep in this thread) but still the death penalty for porn....
not just the actors but the cameramen as well....
what a world...

ENDERA.x - 6-14-2007 at 12:14 AM

they see sex as a bad thing... so fuck them anyways who cares what they do
they are killing more of their own people, can it be so bad?

what about those pregnancies that breed more of them by accident from their porno thats probably not regulated like it is here considering its illegal there.

if you hate them, this might be a good thing

random - 6-14-2007 at 12:22 AM

If only we weren't wasting our troops on a quagmire, we could focus their efforts on the important issues of our time.

upyerbum - 6-14-2007 at 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Boycott Christian HC
Bomb them with free porn DVDs

HA! Best plan yet.

Siczine.com - 6-14-2007 at 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Boycott Christian HC
Bomb them with free porn DVDs

Sheer genius.

JawnDiablo - 6-14-2007 at 10:07 PM

maybe if these goons rubbed one out to some porn they wouldnt want to execute people

upyerbum - 6-15-2007 at 11:48 AM

I think it was Denis Leary who did a bit about outfitting a blimp like a giant boob.

DaveMoral - 6-15-2007 at 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ENDERA.x
they see sex as a bad thing... so fuck them anyways who cares what they do
they are killing more of their own people, can it be so bad?

what about those pregnancies that breed more of them by accident from their porno thats probably not regulated like it is here considering its illegal there.

if you hate them, this might be a good thing

It's not sex that's seen as a "bad thing" in fact, sex is far more acceptable to Muslims than it is to Christians and Christianity.

The problem here is fornication/adultery and then spreading it on video recording to people in a society where that's just not acceptable.

Dude, the execute people for adultery. Why should this come as a surprise at all?

JawnDiablo - 6-15-2007 at 04:18 PM

I myself have never seen any Iranian porn.
If it involves a man, a woman and a camel, I need to see some.

DaveMoral - 6-15-2007 at 11:14 PM

I doubt Iranians are actually producing porn, most of the shit's black market pirated DVDs from what I understand. That and stuff the get on foreign satellite TV and what they might get on the internet that's not filtered by the governments internet filters.

This is the thing, the culture is so much different over there I'm not sure you can across the board try to apply American standards. We, after all, live in a porno-culture. It's fucking everywhere, and influences technology and even just more mundane shit like advertising and what you see on television. That's certainly not the case in Iran or for that matter any other Arab country... even the most Westernized.

Like saying Iranians, and by extention Muslims, "hate sex" that shit's just ignorant. There's an entirely different conception of what's appropriate public behavior in more traditional societies. As a Shiite Muslim, I think I should try to at least shed some light on Shiite attitudes towards sex and thus shed light on some of the legal channels people can pursue to have sex.

First of all, there's two types of marriage according to the Shiite interpretation of Islamic Law. Permanent marriage, called nikah(which is an Arabic word that literally means sexual intercourse); and temporary marriage, called mutah(which is an Arabic word meaning pleasure). Permanent marriage is obvious. It's a contract made for life, which can only be terminated through a divorce formula stipulated in Islamic Law. The second, temporary, is like... the couple decide on a set time period which could be anywhere from 1 minute to 99 years or more and the woman is given the dowry gift and they are married for whatever the agreed period of time is. As is the case of divorce for a permanent marriage, when the period of the mutah marriage is expired the woman has to observe a waiting period of 3 months or 3 menstural cycles in order to be certain she's not pregnant and give an opportunity for them to decide if they want to stick together and all that. Mutah marriage is used by single men and single women, and sometimes by married men because there's polygamy allowed in Islamic Law.

There are legal channels to go about having sex... so there's no reason for fornication or adultery to exist in Iranian society. I can see why they'd want to have legislation to at least minimize the amount of pornographic material available in their country. Sure a potential death sentence is a bit over the top, but that's even an issue when you come to adultery. Across the Shiite/Sunni board they all seem to agree adultery is punished with death despite the fact that the Qur'an says 100 lashes of a whip for both. Interestingly, the Qur'an doesn't bother to distinguish between fornication and adultery, it merely uses the same world "zina" for both.

Maybe none of that was necessary, but I'm just saying. A little knowledge can go a loooong way to understanding.

defstarsteve - 6-15-2007 at 11:38 PM

Dude I'm totally not trying to diss your beliefs, or your religion

I just thought that of the pro porn stance that we as a board and a society do have, bringing up the topic that someone could be put to death for it in another culture would spark an intersting debate.

The porn in question was made in iran and there is alot of it being produced it seems...

but the only way to understand a culture is to openly discuss it
the flaws as well as the positive points

since I am about the furthest thing you can be from any religious belief, I personally dislike the idea that an entire government can be run based on a religion, any religion

and to see people threated with death for not following the guidelines of said religion is just how should I say it "insane" to me as well as others who follow religions and those who don't

I ran a porn shop for 2 years...
it was an intersting job but to think I could be killed for my job let alone my pleasure....
dude yeah nutso....

but then again so were the salem with trials, and I'm sure if the wrong idiot gets elected they will come for me sooner or later be it for my tattoo's (mark of the beast), or even worse my free-thinking ideas....

I understand what you believe is very important to you, and I think in order for the cultures to co-exist in a non violent way some middle ground will have to be found... and as long as we are invading anyone we see fit and the extremists are tightening thier grips on thier own kind as wel las others in retaliation, no middle ground will be found and this cultural war will continue for ever....

I would love to travel to iran, my old drummer and one of my best friends is iranian and he travels back every few years, and the pictures of temples built before christianity was a twinkle in some greedy mans eye, that are still standing jsut amaze me...

but I would never be allowed in and that sucks... or if I was allowed in something pretty shitty could happen, even if I did my best to follow the local customs....and well lnot looking forward to that either....

DaveMoral - 6-16-2007 at 12:00 AM

I don't know dude, you could travel there. They're not going to disallow you because of tattoos. I've got friends that travel there, a good friend of mine let his 15 year old just go and live there for the last couple years. My friend Husayn lives, works and his married there... he's African American and tattooed. There's lots of Iranis with tattoos.

How hard is it to go to another country and not expect to be hugging up on chicks in public or whatever? You know what I mean? Too much of a big deal is made outta shit like that.

Like I said, the death penalty thing is over the top... in the case of porn production AND adultery. I have religious grounds to call all that shit into question. What I'm getting at is this... as a culture porn is taboo and since they decided, as a people, in 1979 that they wanted an Islamic government that's what they've got. I don't see why them having a theocratic republic should be a problem in the world, no one in the US government raises a shit fit about Saudi Arabia's theocracy... or for that matter Israel's theocratic republic. Furthermore, they have the right to legislate against things which violate their social values. Wasn't long ago that pornography was an underground industry here.

And the video in question that seems to have sparked all of this was like a private tape made apparently between an Iranian actress and her spouse that got leaked to the black market. She claims it's not her and was done by a jilted ex-fiance. I'm not so sure that even is pornography. They certainly have a TON of black market stuff coming through though.

defstarsteve - 6-16-2007 at 12:15 AM

I personally dislike the idea that an entire government can be run based on a religion, any religion

Siczine.com - 6-16-2007 at 02:01 AM

I agree with the above statment.

DaveMoral - 6-16-2007 at 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by defstarsteve
I personally dislike the idea that an entire government can be run based on a religion, any religion

That's fine. We live in a culture that's been conditioned to believe that's the correct and only way to live. After all, the Catholic Church, and the Church of England did some horrible shit to its own people... let alone all the others that they did horrible shit to. The US was founded on that idea.

It's different in the Middle East, and I'm comfortable saying that most Iranians probably aren't particularly opposed to their government being based upon Islam. Most people there believe in Islam and Islamic principles even if they don't always completely follow through on them. The major problem there is a that there's a major disconnect between the 80 year old clerics that are in charge, and the majority of the population that's under 35.

But see, there-in lies the root of the problem. You can't come to a middle ground between cultures so long as one culture holds itself superior to the other. So you get the problems we have now. In the Middle East you've got reactionaries doing things specifically to rankle the West because the West is attempting to dictate what the middle ground is supposed to be. Basically they want a carbon copy of the West but with Islam as the "old" and "obsolete" religion instead of Christianity. It's not a middle ground that assigns any worth to Muslim traditions.

It's a cultural superiority complex that Westerners have, and by extention a racial superiority complex, that tends to cause problems in the world. Alot of the shit happening the Middle East is a direct result of American and European colonialism/imperialism. The most glaring modern symbol of that is Israel.

defstarsteve - 6-16-2007 at 10:21 AM

oh I don't disagreee, that the problems are results of imperialism....
I am not an imperialist in the least and would love to understand more of the culture

but the 80 year old idiots here have a problem with the 80 year old idiots there
and until they all die off we are all screwed,

DaveMoral - 6-16-2007 at 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by defstarsteve
oh I don't disagreee, that the problems are results of imperialism....
I am not an imperialist in the least and would love to understand more of the culture

but the 80 year old idiots here have a problem with the 80 year old idiots there
and until they all die off we are all screwed,

Haha perhaps.

I really don't have a problem with a government being guided by religious principles. After all, much of our laws are Biblically based... the Supreme Court has monuments for all the great lawgivers of human society in it's chambers. Moses and Muhammad among them.

I think the real problem comes when you start oppressing people for not following the religion that most influences the state. I have theories for how Iran could work out a bit better. But I'm just a white American convert to Shiite Islam... not much I can do in that regard. I do think that the total lack of spirituality in public institutions has led to some disasters. Not the least of which is this attitude that we can go around conquering not only people, but the planet itself. Of course, that's got roots in a Christian dogma that nature is profane rather than being suffused with the Divine.

Point is... it's not just old dudes... it's mankind as a whole. Doesn't matter if 80 year old elites on both sides die... if there's anything I've learned from history it's that things don't change unless people change. It may be that things are just going to inevitably be getting worse and worse and worse until the whole world is filled to the brim with tyranny and injustice. Until everything is at a breaking point, and then only a Power vastly greater than anything we know will be able to save us from ourselves.

defstarsteve - 6-16-2007 at 11:17 AM

I feel the same way
humanity is a cockroach.....
and while I have no religious beliefs it does not mean that I live my life immorally

I do not want to over throw the planet let alone the person next to me...

I also do not want to be forced to live my life as another would see fit especially one who listens to little men from outer space that they can not see....and that they can not prove exists....

is there a solution, not in our lifetimes and will there be peace, not as long as extremists of any kind are in control of the everyday people....