FSU in Rolling Stone Magazine!

XHonusWagnerX - 8-16-2007 at 11:07 AM

an 8 page article in the new issue

upyerbum - 8-16-2007 at 11:22 AM

Fruity Suburban Uberposers.

JawnDiablo - 8-16-2007 at 11:56 AM

Flamingly Stinging Urethras

JUICE MAYNE MSHC - 8-16-2007 at 11:58 AM

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Fruity Suburban Uberposers.

I love comments like this. I'm no FSU advocate but I do have some good friends that are in that crew and Fruity Suburban Uberposers can't be further from actual reality.

Anyway, the article is pretty well written. The writer did a pretty good job with presenting all sides of the story. Not to mention most major magazine articles that have anything to do with the hardcore scene are really hacky and get a lot of details wrong.

Also, a friend just sent me this link. It's a video the author put together about his article.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/15903240/punk_rock_fi...

clevohardcore - 8-16-2007 at 01:38 PM

I will read.

upyerbum - 8-16-2007 at 02:39 PM

I'll read the article, but I gotta' tell ya' Juice, I ain't got a lot of time for FSU.

BKT - 8-16-2007 at 02:41 PM

LOL. FSU? Why waste the space. An article on Britney Spears would be less of a waste of space.

MM.

JUICE MAYNE MSHC - 8-16-2007 at 02:47 PM

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I'll read the article, but I gotta' tell ya' Juice, I ain't got a lot of time for FSU.

I understand if you have some kind of problem with FSU, I get it. Like I said before I'm not an FSU advocate, I just get kind of irritated with comments like the one you made. Especially since you probably don't know anyone in FSU. No heat or anything, just saying.

Not necessarily referring to anyone in particular but the thing I really don't get is all the shit talking from people who lick the balls of AF, Cro-Mags, Skarhead, Fury of 5, Madball etc. All those people at some point were just as big of thugs as FSU is. Some still are.

upyerbum - 8-16-2007 at 03:59 PM

You are right about one thing, I don't know anyone in FSU. And you've got the right to be irritated as have I the right to irritate.

DaveMoral - 8-16-2007 at 04:23 PM

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I'll read the article, but I gotta' tell ya' Juice, I ain't got a lot of time for FSU.

It's funny too, some of the cats that are into AF et all are usually a-okay with DMS. You're thug point stands, but then there is, of course, the fact that DMS and FSU are down for each other. Look at that Live at CBGB dvd AF put out... FSU is all over that just as much as DMS.

Some of the Philly FSU guys I've hung out with are stand up dudes. Especially Joe HxC.

CR83 - 8-16-2007 at 04:24 PM

Juice pasted that link to the slide show. Pretty interesting stuff. Then I noticed this under a picture:

"Inside the bloody brotherhood of FSU, where violence rules and wearing the wrong t-shirt just might get you killed."

It makes me ashamed to think i belong or belonged to a scene that this could be true. No heat and I don't know FSU from a whole in the ground. Fighting over t-shirts is incredibly weak but humans have been fighting over weak shit since the beginning. I still want to see the Beatdown DVD too.

DaveMoral - 8-16-2007 at 04:28 PM

^I never even heard that T-shirt bit until I saw that caption.

Discipline - 8-16-2007 at 04:42 PM

My problem with people like the FSU guys was spelled out in the Boston Beatdown videos and the messageboard they had for it. I went on there and was amazed at the shit they said on there. All they talked about was standing up for your friends no matter what, and never letting a friend fight alone. They love to pile on in a fight so it's 20 on 1. The question I asked was thi9s; if your friend picks a fight with somebody, why not let him fight his own battle one-on-one? They said "real friends don't do that." That to me, is stupid thug-mentality bullshit, spewed out by guys who like to fight. They love to fight, as long as it's not one-on-one.

DaveMoral - 8-16-2007 at 05:16 PM

I'm a one-on-one kind of guy myself. If my friend got beatdown, that's another story. Not if your bro is picking a fight though, a real friend would let his brother know when he's crossing the line. There's no sense in fighting for fightings sake... save that shit for boxing or MMA rings.

crazyfists28 - 8-16-2007 at 05:22 PM

I'm not completely familiar with fsu, or any gang mentality type stuff but to me it's hilarious that people engage in this type of activity surrounding music. It's just music. I know they look at it differently but c'mon, people can do what they want, listen to what they want, wear whatever tshirt they want, without fearing for their life. It's embarrassing.

Six66Mike - 8-16-2007 at 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by JUICE MAYNE MSHC
Not necessarily referring to anyone in particular but the thing I really don't get is all the shit talking from people who lick the balls of AF, Cro-Mags, Skarhead, Fury of 5, Madball etc. All those people at some point were just as big of thugs as FSU is. Some still are.

I thought about this on the way to work and think I know why FSU get the heat and DMS/Courage Crew etc don't.

- The Internet. When DMS was in its prime, the net was barely a place where hardcore kids went to gossip about shit. It didn't even exist as a media/outlet in the 80's when this stuff was around and real violent. Today's Internet and gossip forums give FSU all the attention and the old crews none.

- Age. The average age of hardcore these days is a teenager, the Thorp board is not the norm of 25+ year old dudes. Most of the people weren't around when DMS or even Courage Crew were around.

- Media attention. DMS didn't have much media attention and certainly didn't put out a pair of DVD's showing their activities in the scene. FSU seems to beg for the attention by putting out these clips and getting into shit like Rolling Stone & local papers.

I've heard a lot of stories of stabbings and shit back when DMS was the main game and how violent shit was. But nobody has ever really told me that they did things like FSU, mass beatings just because of a shirt or mosh, fighting for the sole purpose of fighting. DMS are fucking hardcore dudes that don't seem to waste time on petty fights just because you wear a Lynyrd Skynyrd shirt.

I'm like others here, 1-1 is how you stand up for yourself. Your brothers ain't gonna be there for you for the rest of your life 24/7, you need to learn to stand on your own 2 feet and with a crew backing you up every time you get into shit, you're never going to learn shit.

JUICE MAYNE MSHC - 8-16-2007 at 06:54 PM

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Mike, most of your points are right on. But let me say this...time makes people forget the facts. Back in the day, there were plenty of people who hated DMS for the same reasons people hate FSU now. But my point is not to compare the two, I have close friends on both sides of that coin. My point is that there are FSU guys who have done and continue to do more for the real hardcore scene than 99% of the people who talk shit about em. And I'm talking about first hand experience with my own band, my brother's band, and me personally. People argue all day about how FSU ruins the scene with fighting and shit...maybe they do. What I'm saying is that there are tons of bands of all types of hardcore who have gotten help from some of these guys. Regardless if these bands were fellow thugs or not. I'm talking about the true spirit of hardcore here. The reason why I'm defending these guys is because out of any singular group or crew in hardcore, honest to god, there are more people in FSU that care about hardcore and will help you out whether they know you or not.

Spoiler - 8-16-2007 at 07:07 PM

I'm from North Carolina....I'm a member of the Corn Bread Crew,and we will fuck you up if you come to my side of town with the wrong color flanel shirt on.
represent,corn bread for life suckas

JawnDiablo - 8-16-2007 at 07:37 PM

i never wanted to be a thug or part of a 3 initial gang for whatever dumb reason.
for the record, ive encountered some prominet philly fsu dudes over the years and my girl used to hang with some of these dudes as a teenager. the ones, whosnames i will cease to mention were the dudes who loved to start shit and end it 10 on 1. as far as i am concerned they belong in jail and not glamourized. in fact not too long a friend of mine was at some small show in a shit venue in w philly and had an altercation. some little shit, in a fsu hat delibritly elbowed him in the face breaking his nose. the friend of mine , no punk for the record, confrnted him and was more or les surrounded by a mob of them giving the idea of "what you gonna do,youre out numbered. as far as i am concerned, i could give a rats ass about any of the gay shit. i dont go to shows where theres people under 21 living out their gangster fantasies.

Six66Mike - 8-16-2007 at 07:51 PM

I've met some good FSU guys on tour as well, booking some gigs for them in Canada before I left. As an individual I'd love to hang with them again and put them up in my house, but I would never go down to Philly or Boston to see a show where they were everywhere even though I know a couple of them.

No doubt they enjoy hardcore, they also enjoy fighting far too much. I'm not into fundraisers to raise bail money for a brother who fucking some kids life though, that's not what hardcore or fundraisers should be about.

upyerbum - 8-16-2007 at 07:52 PM

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Originally posted by JUICE MAYNE MSHC
My point is that there are FSU guys who have done and continue to do more for the real hardcore scene than 99% of the people who talk shit about em.

Lots of people do lots of shit for the scene, and I'm sure those same dudes would be doing the same thing whether there was an FSU or not. I'm just not into that gang/thug mentality just for the sake of it. I've spent most of my life tryinf to rise above that.

DaveMoral - 8-16-2007 at 10:05 PM

The Philly shows where FSU heads have been holding it down have been rowdy on the dancefloor but I've yet to see a full blown fight. Last show I was at dudes were running security at the First Unitarian and the only time I saw one of theirs hitting a dude it was cuz the guy was trying to start fights with people during Madball. They dragged him out, hit him a couple times(which I assume was because he was throwing fists) and that was that.

I've heard tell of other shit, but never seen anything go down. All the dudes I've hung around with have been stand up guys.

I grew up in Indiana. In the late 90s Courage Crew was pretty much on its way out... but those dudes were hated amongst the mostly straight edge and vegan crowd in Indy. From what I saw, most of those dudes were punks and were punked out by Hardliners at Circle City Fest '99. I never much took them seriously, and proclaimed it.

upyerbum - 8-17-2007 at 11:09 AM

I don't really care about the fighting or violence, it is what it is, but shit like this almost always becomes exlcusionary (?) and elitist which is the absolute opposite of what punk and hardcore is/was about. It reminds me of the football team when I went to high school, and we used to fight them all the time, or should I say defend ourselves.

Muttley - 8-17-2007 at 04:01 PM

DMS used to get media attention also... I remember when a lot of shit went down in the early 90's and some local NYC news shows did stories about them.

The big difference is the internet, nowadays if Channel 9 did some shit about them the whole world would know within an hour of it airing thanks to email and message boards and shit.

Like it or not crews have been a part of HC since the early days. I've met plenty of guys from many different crews worldwide and they've almost always been friendly and hooked up me and my band and treated us with respect. As far as FSU some of the old school FSU dudes helped out my old band bout 7-8 years ago when we played Attleboro and the promoter tried to dip out without payin us. The newer FSU cats that I know (who used to be part of other crews) are all stand up fellas too (like the Shattered Realm guys).

That Rolling Stone article is all sensationalized bullshit anyway.

hardtone - 8-18-2007 at 10:07 PM

Well said, I agree. I?ve known some old school DMS guys like Scotty Banks & Kevone. They were stand up guys to me. I judge people on how they treat me not what they do to others. Some people back in the day deserved a DMS beat down and some probably didn?t, but that?s not my business.

Same with FSU, Alex Franklin I?ve known since 88 and was one of the only guys who stood by my old click Tri-State Crew when we battled white power fucks like Allentown Hammer Skins, ACS, & just random fucks who tried to bully kids at hardcore shows in PA, NJ, & MD.

Now Joe HC gets my respect for many reasons, and he gives respect back. I know FSU does dirt, but so did I back in the late 80?s early 90?s. Crews will always be associated with hardcore and we?ve all done stupid shit in our youth?

joemaconmovies - 8-18-2007 at 10:29 PM

i read the article and i though it was really well done and was pretty fair, telling both sides of the story and giving each side (pro/con FSU sides) a fair amount of time, really. good job RS in my opinion.

ENDERA.x - 8-19-2007 at 12:56 AM

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Well said, I agree. I?ve known some old school DMS guys like Scotty Banks & Kevone. They were stand up guys to me. I judge people on how they treat me not what they do to others. Some people back in the day deserved a DMS beat down and some probably didn?t, but that?s not my business.

Same with FSU, Alex Franklin I?ve known since 88 and was one of the only guys who stood by my old click Tri-State Crew when we battled white power fucks like Allentown Hammer Skins, ACS, & just random fucks who tried to bully kids at hardcore shows in PA, NJ, & MD.

Now Joe HC gets my respect for many reasons, and he gives respect back. I know FSU does dirt, but so did I back in the late 80?s early 90?s. Crews will always be associated with hardcore and we?ve all done stupid shit in our youth?

Exactly.
And we know, crews will always be associated with the streets. As certain hardcore (or at least, older hardcore, and some current) is a very street oriented form of music and lifestyle.

DaveMoral - 8-19-2007 at 01:11 AM

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Exactly.
And we know, crews will always be associated with the streets. As certain hardcore (or at least, older hardcore, and some current) is a very street oriented form of music and lifestyle.

QFT both you guys.

I tell you this, when I started going to some shows in Philly Joe HxC made me feel welcome. That's for damn sure.

Six66Mike - 8-19-2007 at 03:59 AM

I never met Joe but talked to him a bit when I tried to do a Punishment/Blacklisted mini tour of Canada. Punishment never made it across the border but I spent a couple days with Blacklisted. Joe was great over the phone, though asked if there would be any fights.

Murk - 8-19-2007 at 09:51 PM

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and we?ve all done stupid shit in our youth

so have i, but i never helped kill anyone over a t-shirt. nor did i threaten and intimidate bands into not playing a song, or at all.

2 very "nazi-like" trademarks.

if these dudes are so tough, where were they when the cops and paramedics were picking the lifeless body up off the ground? if you're tough/crazy enough to kill someone over a t-shirt, then stick around when the cops show up.

if these dudes are so cool, why do they engage in blatantly unfair fights? i have to wonder what these dudes act like if they get caught by themselves and someone shoves a gun in their face. do they talk as much shit as they do when all their buddies are around?

if these dudes are so great, why are they notorious for being the reason people stay home instead of going to shows?

i thought the article was pretty good. the "leader" dude claims that Alex guy didn't do it. so who's the monumental pussy that ran from the cops and is going to allegedly let this Alex guy take the fall?

Friends Stand United? sounds more like friends who scatter like chickenshit cockroaches.

Jason the Magnificent - 8-19-2007 at 10:51 PM

You're not trying to say theres hypocrisy involved in HC are you?

JawnDiablo - 8-19-2007 at 11:04 PM

cummon hardores all about unity and integrity and blahing

hardtone - 8-19-2007 at 11:48 PM

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and we?ve all done stupid shit in our youth

Well that is your experience, but I have beat someone pretty bad in my past and things could have took a turn for the worse. I?m not necessarily proud of all the things I did, but times were tuff back then, and some of the fights I was involved in could have caused people to die including myself.

I have been jumped before by a group of jocks that I thought at the time were going to kill me because I was a punk rock kid in 87. So I do understand what it?s like to get rolled (as we called it), luckily I still had my teeth after that.

I understand what you?re saying about jumping people, and I agree it is unnecessary most of the time. Sometimes in the heat of a situation things get out of control friends see others friends fight and they react based on their emotions.

People make stupid decisions, what else can I say, shit happens. I was there the night that kid died at Club Deep in Jersey. My band Hard Response was the last band that played before the cops shut the show down. It was awkward to be on stage knowing that someone died that night at the club. I didn?t see the actual fight, but when the paramedics arrived we knew something tragic happened.

All I can say is I?m no angel, but I did grow up and learn to pick my battles, and try to think before I throw a punch.

If I can change maybe other people can too?

Murk - 8-20-2007 at 12:08 AM

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Well that is your experience, but I have beat someone pretty bad in my past and things could have took a turn for the worse. I?m not necessarily proud of all the things I did, but times were tuff back then, and some of the fights I was involved in could have caused people to die including myself.

no doubt, but i've read about witnesses saying they heard the dead guy say "alright, we're leaving!" in more places than Rolling Stone.

dead people at hardcore shows just doesn't sit well with me.

joemaconmovies - 8-20-2007 at 12:17 AM

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no doubt, but i've read about witnesses saying they heard the dead guy say "alright, we're leaving!" in more places than Rolling Stone.

dead people at hardcore shows just doesn't sit well with me.

no disrespect meant but i don't think it really sits well with any of us. it puts a damper on the fact that most people go to shows at fun. i don't think Murk was defending what happened at Club Deep cause he doesn't know but is just pointing out what can be life, a life i've luckily not had to live. if i'm putting words in your guys' mouths, i apologize. that's not my intention.

hardtone - 8-20-2007 at 12:24 AM

It's bad for everyone, but unfortunately it?s not the first time for shit like this, and it?s not going to be the last. People can get killed just from stage diving; I remember an incident at an LOA show in the 90s. Some kid broke his neck or something like that; I forget the details surrounding that?

Murk - 8-20-2007 at 01:15 AM

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It's bad for everyone, but unfortunately it?s not the first time for shit like this, and it?s not going to be the last.

and this is what's burning me up. Dimebag gets shot on stage, Morrison gets killed over a shirt, an FSU dude gets killed in AZ. this is all recent. FUCK, the shows used to be the escape...

i never meant to imply that dead people at a hardcore show sits well with anyone, on here. internet or no internet, dead people at hardcore or metal shows was never a regular occurence, "way back when".

JawnDiablo - 8-20-2007 at 06:11 AM

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It's bad for everyone, but unfortunately it?s not the first time for shit like this, and it?s not going to be the last. People can get killed just from stage diving; I remember an incident at an LOA show in the 90s. Some kid broke his neck or something like that; I forget the details surrounding that?

the one at the Revival when that thing fell on him?

JawnDiablo - 8-20-2007 at 06:14 AM

I remember being somewhat uneasy going to shows in high school because of the presence of AC Skins all the time. Some bad shit went down at a Bolt Thrower show in NJ that was just fucked. Those people were stomping anyone who got near that want with them.