To us, hardcore is passion.

gavin - 11-21-2007 at 10:47 AM

LETS BE FRIENDS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
LETS BE FRIENDS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

what the fuck is wrong with these bands
seriously
fuckin blahhhhhh'
aaaaahhhhhhhh
gggrrrrrrrrrrrr
i fucking hate music and everything
its all this bands fault
fuck you
hate hate hate hate you

assholes

BDx13 - 11-21-2007 at 11:05 AM

this shit is classic.

JawnDiablo - 11-21-2007 at 11:06 AM

it all sounds kinda creepy to me......
i hate most people from the getgo...
hey if they play in Phily, ya wanna go with me and steal their van?

Jason the Magnificent - 11-21-2007 at 11:39 AM

What a bunch of gayfers.

JUICE MAYNE MSHC - 11-21-2007 at 12:03 PM

Choices Made is from my area. They're alright kids I guess but they're the butt of a lot of jokes around there.

upyerbum - 11-21-2007 at 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by Boycott Christian HC
we need to live our lives as if we were the last generation.

First - I already do that, and God is not in the picture.
Second - If you want passion I got a crown of thorns and a cross with your fucking name on it.

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Originally posted by MrBadVibes

fuck you
hate hate hate hate you

BDx13 - 11-21-2007 at 01:00 PM

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once i bore the thorns of guilt
now i drive the nails of spite

JawnDiablo - 11-21-2007 at 01:31 PM

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Originally posted by BD

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once i bore the thorns of guilt
now i drive the nails of spite

excellent.
Sheer Terror takes all.

stateofdisgrace - 11-21-2007 at 02:21 PM

You know, I think making fun of these kids is sorta ignorant. They are positive, heartfelt individuals.
Does everything have to be about hating people and being negative?
WOW! I am a really mean and tough guy because I loike Sheer Terror.
Seriously, hardcore is about a message and the music. The scene was created for the outcasts to have someplace to go and feel wanted.

The religious part is a bit creepy, but the positive mindset is not something I think we should be insulting here.

Oh wait, I forget, hardcore is all about being a tough guy and standing around with my arms folded while a band gives 100% on stage spreading a message they believe in......
You win, they lose.......

gavin - 11-21-2007 at 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by stateofdisgrace
You know, I think making fun of these kids is sorta ignorant. They are positive, heartfelt individuals.
Does everything have to be about hating people and being negative?
WOW! I am a really mean and tough guy because I loike Sheer Terror.
Seriously, hardcore is about a message and the music. The scene was created for the outcasts to have someplace to go and feel wanted.

The religious part is a bit creepy, but the positive mindset is not something I think we should be insulting here.

Oh wait, I forget, hardcore is all about being a tough guy and standing around with my arms folded while a band gives 100% on stage spreading a message they believe in......
You win, they lose.......

who said anything about being a "tough guy"
all the "posi" shit was never part of hardcore for me
once all that took hold, i was done with it

i dont give a shit about whats "hardcore" and whats not
and im not interested in some kids "posi" message and jesus trip
if thats hardcore, i want no part

upyerbum - 11-21-2007 at 02:39 PM

Positively annoying. When is a hardcore band gonna' call themselves "Pollyanna"?
If I want redemption I'll crawl 10 miles on my knees.

BDx13 - 11-21-2007 at 04:17 PM

woah, woah, woah...
nobody said anything about trying to be a tough guy.
i listen to just as much bane as i do sheer terror; ST just had the more appropriate lyric to quote.
you said it yourself, the religious part is a bit creepy.

gavin - 11-21-2007 at 04:40 PM

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i just reread what you said here
if the "scene" was created for outcasts to feel wanted, that means i or whoever have to like or agree with or even listen to what they have to say?
fuck that
i dont like it and im gonna say it
i dont expect these kids to agree with anything i have to say and would expect them to voice it if the opportunity arose.
the definiton of ignorant is lacking knowledge.
well ya know what, you're right about that
i dont know and dont wanna know about the trip these dudes are on
they are on another planet then i am
i dont "get it" or care to for that matter
im not interested in what they think about this or that or anything
im not interested in anyones opinions or beliefs
i can make up my own mind without some "message" being spread
i havent been to a "hardcore" show since probably 1990 so no i dont stand there with my arms folded
i dont go at all
i cant relate
the bands of the 90s and after that i relate to are few and far between

anyway, more power to these dudes
im sure they are making their moms happy playing "hardcore" like theirs

love to you all(seriously)
geoff "its my positive outlook" gavin

Lucabrasi - 11-21-2007 at 04:56 PM

I dont care what they do. Let them be a god loving hardcore band, no rules saying they cant. Probably a bunch of nice people. One of my closet friend is Christian, I have no problem with that. I dont judge him by his religious beliefs just like I dont judge someone who is gay/bi/lesbian or whatever. People get all uptight and think just because someone who is a christian mentions god that their "throwing it in our face". Find something else to be concerned about. Stop being so fucking uptight. No one is holding you down and forcing you to listen to them. Just walk away. It's not like there is a gang of christians who follow people around screaming verses from the old testament at you,

gavin - 11-21-2007 at 05:00 PM

the thing that bugs me about it is not so much what they are saying as the way its being said
they seem so "nice"
to me, there is no room in any kind of music for nice

i dont care about the god thing
i just dont think it belongs in punk or hardcore
christain, krishna, or whatever
wand positive and nice certainly dont belong in what i like to think of as hardcore or punk

and since when cant something or someone be made fun of?
who is really the uptight ones here
the ones making jokes or the ones who are getting all defensive about it?

Lucabrasi - 11-21-2007 at 05:08 PM

I have more important things to worry about in life then what someone chooses to sing about. I also dont see anything wrong with the "posi" thing. I've dealt with severe depression/anxiety for the last 7 years so why would I want to listen to a band who sings about how much life sucks and how they got a shitty deal? You know what? suck it up, make some changes in your life. Anything is possible if you just put in effort. Im not saying for everyone to be all happy and holding hands and shit but I dont see anything great about walking through life with a chip on your shoulder either. This is just my philosophy.

gavin - 11-21-2007 at 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by Lucabrasi
I have more important things to worry about in life then what someone chooses to sing about. I also dont see anything wrong with the "posi" thing. I've dealt with severe depression/anxiety for the last 7 years so why would I want to listen to a band who sings about how much life sucks and how they got a shitty deal? You know what? suck it up, make some changes in your life. Anything is possible if you just put in effort. Im not saying for everyone to be all happy and holding hands and shit but I dont see anything great about walking through life with a chip on your shoulder either. This is just my philosophy.

ive delt with the same issues for longer then that and i look for bands that sing about the way i feel
where's the chip on my shoulder?
becqause i call this stuff out as shit i dont like/agree with?

Lucabrasi - 11-21-2007 at 06:18 PM

im not saying you specifically have a chip on your shoulder, although by defenition It could be seen that way.

"The phrase chip on one's shoulder means having a harboured grievance or sense of inferiority and being quick to take offence. "

and to quote you

"LETS BE FRIENDS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
LETS BE FRIENDS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

what the fuck is wrong with these bands
seriously
fuckin blahhhhhh'
aaaaahhhhhhhh
gggrrrrrrrrrrrr
i fucking hate music and everything
its all this bands fault
fuck you
hate hate hate hate you

assholes"

seems to show you harboring some anger and being quick to take offense.

HOwever I cannot tell you how to live your life. Everyone choses to live it differenly and I believe everyone should. Ask yourself this "do I live the good life?" if you can honestly answer yes then continue on doing what you're doing.

gavin - 11-21-2007 at 06:52 PM

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Originally posted by Lucabrasi
im not saying you specifically have a chip on your shoulder, although by defenition It could be seen that way.

"The phrase chip on one's shoulder means having a harboured grievance or sense of inferiority and being quick to take offence. "

and to quote you

"LETS BE FRIENDS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
LETS BE FRIENDS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

what the fuck is wrong with these bands
seriously
fuckin blahhhhhh'
aaaaahhhhhhhh
gggrrrrrrrrrrrr
i fucking hate music and everything
its all this bands fault
fuck you
hate hate hate hate you

assholes"

seems to show you harboring some anger and being quick to take offense.

HOwever I cannot tell you how to live your life. Everyone choses to live it differenly and I believe everyone should. Ask yourself this "do I live the good life?" if you can honestly answer yes then continue on doing what you're doing.

dude please
stop taking everything so serious
i wrote that to make certain people on here who feel the same way i do smile, which i bet if you ask, i did
i didnt "take offence" to anything
i think that a band claiming to be "hardcore" and saying something like "lets be friends" is pathetic, but hey, thats me

in all seriousness, i dont know these kids or their band
more power to them
but again, it might as well be from mars to me cuz i cant relate in the least

do i harbour grievence?
yep
but not at this band
in all honesty i couldnt care less about them
i was commenting on a message board
disscussing something that someone posted
big deal

Lucabrasi - 11-21-2007 at 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by MrBadVibes

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regardless if I used that quote from you or not , your other posts in this thread would have worked just as well. And im not getting on your case for making a post. Thats not the point of my posting. I just wanted to have a "discussion" about it since this is a discussion board where people express their opinions. No harm done in that, right?

gavin - 11-21-2007 at 07:15 PM

and thats exactly what i was doing
discussing an opinion
im not attacking you in any way or attacking anyone other then the band for that matter
so discuss away

Lucabrasi - 11-21-2007 at 07:17 PM

I think we've both discussed our points. Unless there is something else you want to "discuss"?

gavin - 11-21-2007 at 07:29 PM

nah im good

newbreedbrian - 11-21-2007 at 07:30 PM

"you don't have anything personal against me do you?"
"you bet i've got something personal against you" :singing:

Lucabrasi - 11-21-2007 at 07:55 PM

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Originally posted by MrBadVibes
nah im good

me too. Can I buy you a drink?

Discipline - 11-21-2007 at 08:17 PM

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i wrote that to make certain people on here who feel the same way i do smile, which i bet if you ask, i did

Made me chuckle, as always.

gavin - 11-21-2007 at 10:15 PM

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Originally posted by Lucabrasi

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Originally posted by MrBadVibes
nah im good

me too. Can I buy you a drink?

i dont drink but sure

Siczine.com - 11-21-2007 at 10:22 PM

I fucking hate Christian bands. Why? Because they seem so fucking uppity and above everyone. I hate that most "Christian" bands already have huge fanbases just because their "Christian".

And I hate people who try to be friends with everyone, that in itself is fake as shit. If you were being real, you would admit you hate 99% of the people on this planet.

Call me negative or a pessimistic but I don't like the human race. Give me Holy Terror or negacore over christian/posi core hardcore anyday.

tireironsaint - 11-21-2007 at 11:41 PM

I would rather listen to long haired white boys rap over Metal than listen to christian HC or Punk. I have yet to hear a single overtly christian band that is worthwhile in these styles. I'm not talking about bands where the members may all be christians, I'm talking about bands that are about their members' religion.

I have a friend who got religion a while back and suddenly decided that he could only listen to bands that were of his religion. He got big into christian HC and Punk and was constantly trying to turn me onto those bands. He never introduced them as being religious bands, but they always sounded so terrible and like the weakest rip off of some easily identifiable big name (but non-religious) band that played the same style. I always went into it trying to be open minded and hoping that the new band he was so into would be decent, but they never were. I made a definite effort to try to connect with him about these bands because he and I had always connected through music and had always turned each other on to great new bands, but I just couldn't get behind any of those bands no matter how hard I tried to find something good about them.

I just don't think there's anything about people that much into that religion that works in this scene. It makes no sense to me for them to make the effort other than as a recruitment tool. Punks and HC kids have always been seen by mainstream christians as troubled youth and people in need of redemption and I view these attempts to bring their religion into the scene as nothing more than a cheap affectation in order to try to sway the weaker minds over to their way. It stinks of blatant recruitment measures to me and always has.

stateofdisgrace - 11-22-2007 at 12:27 AM

I was playing devil's advocate, really.

I am just cool with whatever.

I like to sometimes get a rise out of people cause it sparks good debate.

No attacks on anyone's character or person....that's why this board RULES!

gavin - 11-22-2007 at 12:36 AM

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Originally posted by stateofdisgrace
I was playing devil's advocate, really.

I am just cool with whatever.

I like to sometimes get a rise out of people cause it sparks good debate.

No attacks on anyone's character or person....that's why this board RULES!

i kinda thought you were and im glad you did
it was fun
this board and everyone on it is great

upyerbum - 11-22-2007 at 09:31 AM

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Originally posted by Lucabrasi
It's not like there is a gang of christians who follow people around screaming verses from the old testament at you,

Have you turned on the TV lately? Its called the Bush administration. :singing:

Let's ALL be friends....(cue music)

Sunshine and lollipops... :singing:

DaveMoral - 11-22-2007 at 09:33 AM

The only problem I have with Christian bands is the same problem I have with Christians in general. Religious arrogance. I have that problem with Muslims too, and I'm Muslim. I say, we'll do what we do and God will sort it out on the Day of Judgement. I'll be honest, 99.9% of people are doomed.

I can vibe with certain things some Christian bands write about, and some of their music. For instance, I like No Innocent Victim. Some songs not so much, but others are just fine by me. Other Christian bands suck balls, especially ones that have made a point of attacking people not of their faith in their lyrics. Training For Utopia comes to mind there. Fortunately 99% of Christian "hardcore" is more along the lines of wanna be melodic death metal, or screamo and I don't get near it with a 10 foot pole.

Still, the initial post is still funny in its absurdity.

JawnDiablo - 11-22-2007 at 11:04 AM

When I was in high school there were a couple christain thrash / death metal bands locally. i thought it was funny. these dudes even had your typical cemetery circa 1991 metal cd covers. theyd be yelling over thrash riffs like demons and then stop between songs to rant about repenting and stuff. Ive never given a listen to any christain punk bands because the 2 words contradict one another if you ask me.

Discipline - 11-22-2007 at 04:50 PM

Who doesn't long for the days of Stryper throwing out bibles to their audience? :saint:

Murk - 11-22-2007 at 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by DaveMoral
The only problem I have with Christian bands is the same problem I have with Christians in general. Religious arrogance. I have that problem with Muslims too, and I'm Muslim. I say, we'll do what we do and God will sort it out on the Day of Judgement. I'll be honest, 99.9% of people are doomed.

that sure sounds religiously arrogant.

Siczine.com - 11-22-2007 at 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by Murk

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that sure sounds religiously arrogant.

Fuck all religions. They can take their beliefs and shove them up their asses. It isn't enough if you're truly a good person and do good works...you need to subscribe to a bunch of dogma.

upyerbum - 11-22-2007 at 06:51 PM

I know the secret to salvation and I'm not telling a fucking soul.

JawnDiablo - 11-22-2007 at 08:32 PM

the road to hell is paved with chocolate treats

Siczine.com - 11-22-2007 at 08:54 PM

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Originally posted by juandiablo
the road to hell is paved with chocolate treats

What kind of chocolate treats?

DaveMoral - 11-22-2007 at 09:59 PM

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Originally posted by Murk

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that sure sounds religiously arrogant.

Never said why dude. You misread me. Look at the fucking world and tell me most people aren't doomed.

Not saying I'm not doomed myself. Goddamn.

Jason the Magnificent - 11-22-2007 at 11:41 PM

Is this a bad thread to Discuss Insect Warfare? Because they DON'T suck.

JawnDiablo - 11-23-2007 at 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by Siczine.com

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Originally posted by juandiablo
the road to hell is paved with chocolate treats

What kind of chocolate treats?

any kind you see fit, in fact chocolate treats are quite tasty, unike music induced salvation

Discipline - 11-23-2007 at 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by juandiablo
the road to hell is paved with chocolate treats

Guess those of us that are diabetic aren't taking that path. :singing:

JawnDiablo - 11-23-2007 at 04:24 PM

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Originally posted by Discipline

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Originally posted by juandiablo
the road to hell is paved with chocolate treats

Guess those of us that are diabetic aren't taking that path. :singing:

cummon...you know you want one
** Diablo tempts the diabetic**

Murk - 11-23-2007 at 08:33 PM

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Originally posted by DaveMoral
Look at the fucking world and tell me most people aren't doomed.

i guess i don't understand what you mean, but if you mean doomed as in "by god",

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Originally posted by DaveMoral
I say, we'll do what we do and God will sort it out on the Day of Judgement.

then i am quite certain most people are not doomed.

to suggest otherwise is fearmongering, judgmental and arrogant, imo.

DaveMoral - 11-23-2007 at 11:42 PM

^I'm doubtful of that. Look at the world we live in, and the shit we've allowed to happen. Whether it's the killing of our own species in massive numbers, or the whole sale destruction of the earth to fulfill or appetites to consume and consume useless products that only complicate our lives. I'd say we aren't doing ourselves any favors.

Voodoobillyman - 11-24-2007 at 11:14 AM

The whole purpose of life itself is to produce and consume, it happens at every level, if you beleive in God, that must have been the divine design set forth right? I just can't subscribe to the whole doom and gloom bleak outlook of organized religion, buying into that is what gives you that mindframe in my humble opinion. Oh and I don't have anything against people using music as a platform to profess there feelings one way or another, I don't even know if I have heard outwardly Christian hardcore. I couldn't get this thing in the beginning because of restrictions to my regional access, but the remark made about it make it seem pretty damn funny indeed

DaveMoral - 11-24-2007 at 01:09 PM

Well, I certainly don't subscribe to the notion that the purpose of life is to consume to the point of bringing the world to brink of ecological destruction. We're stepping over our bounds, throwing the natural order outta whack. No other species has the capacity for invention and thus consumption, and over consumption, as the human species. As a person that believes in God, I don't believe we are given that capacity to just consume vorasciously. There's no way the purpose of life can be that humans are intended to produce and consume to the point where our population and consumption become too heavy a burden for the ecosystem to bear and it all collapses. My Holy Book indicates as much. We have to keep ourselves in check because our intelligence has given us the ability to overstep the usual natural means of controlling populations, disease and famine.

Doom and gloom isn't the over-riding outlook of religion. In fact, the whole point of religion is to say "hey, we've got the ability to the highest of all creatures. Beyond even angels, but we've got responsibilities because of our greater abilities."