Holocaust Museum in DC

MyOwnWay - 12-1-2007 at 06:16 PM

Went yesterday as a chaperone for my oldest son's school.

Just fucking wow.

newbreedbrian - 12-1-2007 at 10:07 PM

reading about that kind of stuff really gets me down, and yet i find it really interesting. mankind fucking disgusts me.

Siczine.com - 12-2-2007 at 04:43 AM

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Originally posted by newbreedbrian
mankind fucking disgusts me.

morgan - 12-2-2007 at 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by MyOwnWay
Went yesterday as a chaperone for my oldest son's school.

Just fucking wow.

Just walking through there is feels surreal.

JawnDiablo - 12-2-2007 at 06:58 PM

I still find it odd that there are certain groups who deny it happened

Murk - 12-2-2007 at 09:26 PM

from what i've heard and read, those "certain groups" don't deny it happened, they say the numbers have been dramatically inflated and that it wasn't simply about eradicating jews.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial

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The three key claims of Holocaust deniers are:

The Nazis had no official policy or intention of exterminating Jews.

Nazis did not use gas chambers to mass murder Jews.

The figure of 5-6 million Jewish deaths is a gross exaggeration, and the actual number is an order of magnitude lower.

Other claims include the following:

Stories of the Holocaust were a myth initially created by the Allies of World War II to demonize Germans.

Jews spread this myth as part of a grander plot intended to enable the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine, and now to garner continuing support for the state of Israel.

Documentary evidence of the Holocaust, from photographs to the Diary of Anne Frank, is fabricated.

Survivor testimonies are filled with errors and inconsistencies, and are thus unreliable.

Nazi confessions of war crimes were extracted through torture.

The Nazi treatment of Jews was no different from what the Allies did to their enemies in World War II.

i don't have an opinion on it, but my suspicions do get aroused when it's illegal to question something:

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Holocaust denial is explicitly or implicitly illegal in 13 countries: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Israel, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Poland, Portugal, Romania and Switzerland. The Netherlands and Italy have recently considered legislation but rejected such proposals in 2006 and 2007 respectively. Slovakia made Holocaust denial a crime in late 2001 but repealed the legislation in May 2005. Spain decriminalized Holocaust denial in October 2007.

BDx13 - 12-3-2007 at 06:37 PM

when i lived in germany, the group i was with went for a tour at a former concentration camp. i stayed in the parking lot. it's upsetting enough just thinking about it, i didn't need first-hand visuals of the facilities.

i, too, find the idea of holocaust denial being illegal...odd. freedom of speech?

JawnDiablo - 12-3-2007 at 07:10 PM

2 of my uncles were both in WW2
one was captured by the nazis when he was 19 and held in a camp for a while
he had some tales to tell back when he was alive
gruesome kind of shit