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The election
This could turn into an interesting thread. Who are you for? What are your thoughts on the current state of the Dem race? Any guesses on VP's? What
are important issues for you in the election?
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It might be a bad attitude, but I think that the country is so far gone, I dont know who can fix it. I dont have this issue, but I also think that a
lot of America is closed minded enough that they may not vote for a woman or a black man. I've heard people on the radio talking about how if its
Clinton & McCaine they either wont vote or they will vote McCaine even though as of now they are supporting Obama.
I dont know very much about polotics so my 2 cents is probably only worth about 1/2 a cent. Of course with the state of the country 2 cents really is
only worth 1/2 a cent.
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none of them are going to do anything about anything so what's the difference......
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tough situation right now
i dont like clinton or obama
i did at one time like mcain but this was years ago
he has since bowed to the pressures of his party
the dems. problem is that they can never get a strong person to rep. the party, not since bill clintion anyway(who i liked and voted for twice)
i do have some respect for mccaine
he was a p.o.w. for over 5 years and i respect anyone who was in that position
other then that he has become just another republican
tough call on who is gonna win
i say its obama vs mcaine/gulianti maybe
the backlash against the republicans may be strong enough at this point to give obama the win.
i dunno.
im registered an independent but lean more to the liberal thinking process at least socially
im not sure i even care at this point honestly
you come at the king....you best not miss
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBadVibes
the backlash against the republicans may be strong enough at this point to give obama the win. |
yeah, strange things have been happening...
http://uk.reuters.com/article/marketsNewsUS/idUKN14542372200...
| Quote: | | "The loss of three straight special elections, in once solidly Republican districts, cannot be explained simply by 'bad candidates' or by being out
organized," |
| Quote: | | Democrats gained more political ground on Tuesday when they won a special election to fill a vacant seat in a conservative Mississippi district
previously held by Republicans. |
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this is a bad attitude to take but i don't even think i'll vote this year. i'm really sick of voting for people who i find are the lesser of two
evils (kerry vs. bush) and i think we're so far gone right now, no one can really fix it. i'd love to be proved wrong. i just don't think i'm
voting. i'm not a fan of the electoral form of voting we use anyways.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by juandiablo
none of them are going to do anything about anything so what's the difference...... |
for anyone who thinks voting is useless or there's no difference between candidates, think about this: would a democratic administration have invaded
iraq? how many people you know are affected by the war in iraq?
it's not just about one president, it's all the people that come with them. personally i'd prefer a dem over a rep administration pretty much any day.
ideologically i'm closest to kucinich or nader but they don't stand a chance.
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I think things are good. Obama to take office and the public start to fuck it up and celebrate like its somehting tremendous and monumental. Not
realizing that they are all tools themselves.
Each aspect of the soul has it's own part to play, but the ideal is harmonious agreement with reason and control.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SHAKO KEN
| Quote: | Originally posted by juandiablo
none of them are going to do anything about anything so what's the difference...... |
for anyone who thinks voting is useless or there's no difference between candidates, think about this: would a democratic administration have invaded
iraq? how many people you know are affected by the war in iraq?
it's not just about one president, it's all the people that come with them. personally i'd prefer a dem over a rep administration pretty much any day.
ideologically i'm closest to kucinich or nader but they don't stand a chance. |
maybe they wouldn't have chosen to invade iraq but most democrats did vote to go to war, so part of me thinks they might have. to that degree, it
does seem like voting is useless cause our own representatives didn't listen to those of us who thought going to war was a bad idea. they don't
represent us, they represent themselves. that's why i don't want to vote.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by joemaconmovies
| Quote: | Originally posted by SHAKO KEN
| Quote: | Originally posted by juandiablo
none of them are going to do anything about anything so what's the difference...... |
for anyone who thinks voting is useless or there's no difference between candidates, think about this: would a democratic administration have invaded
iraq? how many people you know are affected by the war in iraq?
it's not just about one president, it's all the people that come with them. personally i'd prefer a dem over a rep administration pretty much any day.
ideologically i'm closest to kucinich or nader but they don't stand a chance. |
maybe they wouldn't have chosen to invade iraq but most democrats did vote to go to war, so part of me thinks they might have. to that degree, it
does seem like voting is useless cause our own representatives didn't listen to those of us who thought going to war was a bad idea. they don't
represent us, they represent themselves. that's why i don't want to vote. |
i agree with joe here.
the dems would have gone to war also i think
it may not be to the degree that it is now but in reality they are all the same
none of them represent us
they are out for themselves
politics is a business after all
you come at the king....you best not miss
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The real problem was the focus of the war. We were right to invade Afghanistan after the attacks on NYC and DC , the Taliban openly defied extraditing
those responsible for the act of war and it certainly justified military action. The crime in my opinion resides with the way the post invasion of
Afghanistan was handled by the current administration. And then the left field focus and invasion of Iraq which had nothing to do with the war on
terror declared. It now has everything to do with it as Iraq has been chosen as the central fighting point for both sides in the years since. It is
crucial we leave Iraq only when the government is stable enough to police itself and defend it's borders. That is not just a political line, it has
been declared that iraq would be the perfect base of operations for Jihad on Israel, if you think we have problems now, let these fuckers take Iraq
and launch a large scale attack on israel. Israelis don't fuck around, they would nuke one of their Arab neighbors lickety split and then all goes to
hell in a handbasket real fast.
I consider my voting choices to be private and don't share them with anyone, not even my wife, but I have a clear decision on the best person for the
job and that is how I will vote come November. Interesting times my friends, interesting times indeed.
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all i know really is that i hate that ytoung people are getting hurt over there and whoever is willing to bring voodoo and his friends and the young
people over there home gets my support
you come at the king....you best not miss
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The idea of not voting is really discouraging. That's the mentality that gives our generation a bad name.
I don't believe that this election comes down to the lesser of two evils. I believe Obama actually gives a shit and can actually do something. And
more importantly, I believe he really wants to do something.
Regarding the war, there's NO WAY we would have gone into Iraq if Al Gore had been declared the winner of that election. Read Richard Clark's book
"Against All Enemies". The Bush Admin was trying to connect Iraq to 9/11 since 9/11. It was an opportunity to them. Its true that many Democrats voted
for the war but that decision was based on false intelligence presented by the Administration. Not to mention, like 75% of US citizens supported the
war then. Things have changed a lot since then and many people have sort of re-written the history of their own opinions. But if the war is your
concern then look at Obama's history of opposition to the war.
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obama is ok i guess
i dunno
i liked him ok until that rev. of his opened his mouth
i know it shouldnt change my opinion of him but it did
i think i would make a pretty good president
you come at the king....you best not miss
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Voodoobillyman
The real problem was the focus of the war. We were right to invade Afghanistan after the attacks on NYC and DC , the Taliban openly defied extraditing
those responsible for the act of war and it certainly justified military action. The crime in my opinion resides with the way the post invasion of
Afghanistan was handled by the current administration. And then the left field focus and invasion of Iraq which had nothing to do with the war on
terror declared.
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wow, did i login as voodoo and write this?
If I fail math, there goes my chance at a good job and a happy life full of hard work.
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the whole idea of invading iraq came from wolfowitz, rumsfeld and several other neo-cons in their think tank "Project for the New American Century" even before gwb was president. once they came into office they just had to find a way to sell it to the
world.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBadVibes
all i know really is that i hate that ytoung people are getting hurt over there and whoever is willing to bring voodoo and his friends and the young
people over there home gets my support |
I hear ya bro, and believe me, we all want to get the hell out of here real bad. But not bad enough to leave those incapable of defending themselves
to the wolves here. Some of the shit these muslim extremists have done to their own would break your fucking heart. If we leave the way Obama wants us
to, it would be a tragedy for alot of people here. Alot of these kids fighting here have come to find purpose in the sworn protection of the meek. I
have alot more faith in this generation based on what I have seen here. This truly could be the next greatest generation after our grandparents. It
gives one hope
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By the way, the whole "if we leave too soon/too quick" line being used in current politics is not something I am echoing, I am speaking from direct no
shit experience.
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despite being someone who generally leans left, and i do not think we should hurry out of iraq.
i'd love for the men and women in the armed services to be home asap, but i believe that dropping everything and running out would be a bad move.
If I fail math, there goes my chance at a good job and a happy life full of hard work.
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I'd like to think that some of what Obama is saying about getting out of Iraq ASAP is a bit of acceptable lip service. People want to hear that and as
long as he rolls up his sleeves on Day 1 and starts working on it then it makes the promise come true. But in all reality it will have to be a much
more complicated process. I'm excited about the idea of really exploring all the diplomatic avenues available. I feel like our current leadership is
willing to just let it linger on and on. We need solutions. If it turns out to partially be a military solution then so be it. But we need to take
steps in the direction of resolving the problem. That's my 2 cents.
I also feel like the people of the Middle East will accept Obama a little more than they accept Bush. So maybe the idea of having a new face will help
ease tensions across the board and we can see some improvement.
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i know saying that i don't want to vote and probably vote is a bad attitude and doesn't reflect greatly on our generation. it's just how i feel now
because i feel so fucking fed up with the politics and this two party bullshit. they really, in the end, don't care about us. everyone tries to play
everyone against each other. and i could go on but i'm just so fed up with it and i don't see much changing. i think iraq was a mistake but now
we're stuck in another vietnam (correct me if i'm wrong voodoo, you're there and i'm not). i want our boys/girls home safe. bush put us there and
the democrats voted to put us there. they all apologize now and put their own spin on it but...it almost feels empty to me.
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a new face named OBAMA will help!
If I fail math, there goes my chance at a good job and a happy life full of hard work.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BD
a new face named OBAMA will help! |
i don't even know how honestly i believe him and how much he's just blowing smoke up our asses. i dunno. like i said. i'm fed up so...ignore me.
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Change.
He's quite a salesman.
You can use one word as a slick advertising tag line and have a large portion of a nation rally behind it.
We're a dumb fucking species on the whole thats for sure.
Obama is basically 'Bizarro Bush'. The guy has a whole lot of stammering going on about really nothing at all, everytime I've ever heard the guy speak
I feel like I just got talked into buying snake oil. He'll fuck us up just as much as Bush, just in the opposite direction.
and McBain....jesus.
I'm writing in Ted Nugent and going to the tavern.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by joemaconmovies
| Quote: | Originally posted by BD
a new face named OBAMA will help! |
i don't even know how honestly i believe him and how much he's just blowing smoke up our asses. i dunno. like i said. i'm fed up so...ignore me.
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i only meant that putting a brown man named Barack Hussein Obama in office would likely affect the opinion of other nations.
If I fail math, there goes my chance at a good job and a happy life full of hard work.
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