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i would like to have the following tattooed on me:
"Yikes, that negra hates whitey!"
- Dawud Khuluq, 5-27-08
"if one continues to dwell in the past, one will have no future"
- geoffrey p. gavin, 5-28-08
If I fail math, there goes my chance at a good job and a happy life full of hard work.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBadVibes
"if one continues to dwell in the past, one will have no future"
geoffrey p. gavin 5-28-08 |
That's true, but I don't think it applies to the situation on the ground.
Fact of the matter is... alot of people don't have the same advantages alot of others do. The disadvantage is disproportionately upon the shoulders of
black Americans.
If people aren't pissed off about that it'll never change.
Big D, glad I could inspire a tattoo! Haha.
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yeah, i dont buy that at all
you come at the king....you best not miss
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBadVibes
yeah, i dont buy that at all |
That pretty much sums up any possible response to that statement.
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There is no United Cuacasion College Fund (no one offered me college tuition for the color of my skin, I would have to take out a loan, if they would
give it to me, like alot of other disadvantaged white people)
no version of the NAACP for white Americans (run out into the streets and yell crackers, no one gives a shit. Run out into the street and yell
niggers, you are a racist white devil)
We don't have laws that require businesses and civil services to hire a certain amount of white people based on equal opportunity
The argument that blacks are lopsidedly disadvantaged in this country dosen't hold much weight any longer. I am sorry if ignorance breeds ignorance
and in the past things were not fair, but I think we as a society have more than fairly paid for that and continue to pay.
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Most of the black folk I encounter on a daily basis, whether it be in the work place, at my kid's school things or sports things, or just in public
are too busy trying to be the embodiment of every negative stereotype ever created for them and could care less about anything except Roca Wear and
new rims.
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^AAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAA
If I fail math, there goes my chance at a good job and a happy life full of hard work.
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I'm not even trying to be funny either.
You shoulda seen my son's spring concert.
You'd swear it was the BET fashion show.
And talk about rude.....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Voodoobillyman
There is no United Cuacasion College Fund (no one offered me college tuition for the color of my skin, I would have to take out a loan, if they would
give it to me, like alot of other disadvantaged white people)
no version of the NAACP for white Americans (run out into the streets and yell crackers, no one gives a shit. Run out into the street and yell
niggers, you are a racist white devil)
We don't have laws that require businesses and civil services to hire a certain amount of white people based on equal opportunity
The argument that blacks are lopsidedly disadvantaged in this country dosen't hold much weight any longer. I am sorry if ignorance breeds ignorance
and in the past things were not fair, but I think we as a society have more than fairly paid for that and continue to pay. |
Right, because the white man wasn't the oppressor for 500 years in America... so he should have a "Nation Association for the Advancement of White
People" organization.
I'm just saying, you're talking some back asswards shit here. I understand where you're coming from and why, but it's pretty far off base as far as
the realities on the ground. There's a reason why conditions in white ghettos are, objectively speaking, much better than non-white ghettos.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaveMoral
| Quote: | Originally posted by Voodoobillyman
There is no United Cuacasion College Fund (no one offered me college tuition for the color of my skin, I would have to take out a loan, if they would
give it to me, like alot of other disadvantaged white people)
no version of the NAACP for white Americans (run out into the streets and yell crackers, no one gives a shit. Run out into the street and yell
niggers, you are a racist white devil)
We don't have laws that require businesses and civil services to hire a certain amount of white people based on equal opportunity
The argument that blacks are lopsidedly disadvantaged in this country dosen't hold much weight any longer. I am sorry if ignorance breeds ignorance
and in the past things were not fair, but I think we as a society have more than fairly paid for that and continue to pay. |
Right, because the white man wasn't the oppressor for 500 years in America... so he should have a "Nation Association for the Advancement of White
People" organization.
I'm just saying, you're talking some back asswards shit here. I understand where you're coming from and why, but it's pretty far off base as far as
the realities on the ground. There's a reason why conditions in white ghettos are, objectively speaking, much better than non-white ghettos.
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dave seriously i know you mean well and your intentions are good but man, you're looking at this all wrong.
fuck it
im not in the mood to get into all this actually
you come at the king....you best not miss
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I'm voting for John Joseph as long as he doesnt inplement a Krishna theocracy
you think Iran is gonna fuck with Bloodclot?
-THORP
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaveMoral
| Quote: | Originally posted by Voodoobillyman
There is no United Cuacasion College Fund (no one offered me college tuition for the color of my skin, I would have to take out a loan, if they would
give it to me, like alot of other disadvantaged white people)
no version of the NAACP for white Americans (run out into the streets and yell crackers, no one gives a shit. Run out into the street and yell
niggers, you are a racist white devil)
We don't have laws that require businesses and civil services to hire a certain amount of white people based on equal opportunity
The argument that blacks are lopsidedly disadvantaged in this country dosen't hold much weight any longer. I am sorry if ignorance breeds ignorance
and in the past things were not fair, but I think we as a society have more than fairly paid for that and continue to pay. |
Right, because the white man wasn't the oppressor for 500 years in America... so he should have a "Nation Association for the Advancement of White
People" organization.
I'm just saying, you're talking some back asswards shit here. I understand where you're coming from and why, but it's pretty far off base as far as
the realities on the ground. There's a reason why conditions in white ghettos are, objectively speaking, much better than non-white ghettos.
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I just read an article by Bill Cohen (former SecDef for Clinton) and you and I embody the two opposing sides to this debate damn near perfectly. For
the record I would like to state that your ideals are ass backwards to me as well. I say this realizing there is no way we will ever find a total
agreement here, but there is always common ground to stand on. I am not blind, I understand the history behind it. I also am not blind to the
seemingly one sided argument that puts white people at an immediate disadvantage for questioning just about anything going on. You question these
things and you are dangerously close to being labeled a racist. I just don't see it that way. I also have no sympathy for the people that Diablo
described who cry about unfair treatment all the while personifying every damn ignorant thing that is wrong with their culture. Stop being a fucking
moron and do something remotely intelligent about it, rise above the stereotype and get a fucking education( the opportunity IS there, you have to
WORK for it) don't avoid one because the system is against you and holds you down, thats a fucking cop out if I ever heard one. I was never handed
anything, and I'm white, so what did the dominant white system get me? Nothing, I was born poor with the man not giving a shit about me or my plight
just the same as the Puerto Ricans in the projects I grew up next to. I carved my own path through hard work and determination. Fuck historical
excuses, they mean jack shit to me bro.
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Oh, and white ghettos? I have seen the white equivilant of ghettos and it does not look much different from black ghettos. Hell they even put $500
dollar rims on a $50 dollar car the same way.
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You know, it's not like I'm arguing that individuals have history as an excuse to lean on. They don't. But as a whole we of the descendents of the
people in power... many of us no doubt have ancestors that were slaveowners at some point in our family trees... have to recognize the effects of 500
years of racial oppression. It's not like the repercussions aren't still being felt today. In fact, the very negative stereotypes we're talking about
are the direct result of the demoralizing effects of oppression.
Shit, you gotta call shit into question when the very stereotypes we're dealing with... like the BET comment before... are a direct result of white
executives getting ahold of one paritcular product within the larger hip hop culture and pushing that as the big thing. Gangsta rap. I remember when
the hardest core shit was the likes of Public Enemy, and they were bringing some knowledge and empowerment. Then NWA came along rapping about
criminality, and even they were doing some intelligent stuff from time to time. But they were the decline. The black community, in many ways, has
moved backwards from where it was in the 60s. Close friends of mine that were black activists in those days tell me this. How much of it is part of
the culture from centuries of oppression, and how much of what we see now is manufactured into the hip hop culture by major record labels and
corporations that decide what artists to promote and what videos to play? Take BET for example... early on it was doing news shows and some
intelligent stuff. Then the owner sold out to Viacom and BET became what it is today... booty videos 24/7.
It's no shocker though, one side feels slighted because they didn't get any breaks from the upper class and the other feels continually victimized
because they've been the bottom of the scrap heap since the foundations of the country. Hostilities between the two are still in place because the
upper class wants it that way... just like they didn't with indentured servants black and white. We, the working men and women of American(and
ultimately the world), are keeping ourselves divided and letting ourselves be conquered by the douchebags with a disproportionate share in the wealth
of our labor.
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KILL WHITEY!
For real though, if your not black and you haven't grown up in a poor black community you have no grounds for opinion on black issues and black
problems. Solutions have to come from within your own community whatever your ethnic background or economic disadvantages are or else they are
meaningless victories. Racism is has deeply imbedded in this country and in any situation where you have such a diverse populous that is never going
to change.
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Okay, folks, I be3en drinkin' all night, just back from the pub with a half ass I rish band playin,
heres where i'm AT, my great grandfather used to deliver milk by horse and horse attached wago in a part of town called aficville, he used to delive5r
milk there cuz he wqas an irish nigger so i'm tired vof the fact that blasck kids here get paid to go to school and ii'm tired of a lot of shit but if
i actually spoke my mind ......i'm juwt tired of laZY ASSS people with no respect.
i' probably am ra cist by most idealistic hiippy moron evaluations, buyt i understand respect.
Well, its this place where nobody works, and the pigs don\'t give you any shit. Everyone smokes weed and gets drunk all day. Its a place where
cunts like me and you can truly take it easy and relax. Know what I mean?
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It does and always has boiled down to a class issue, we can agree on that. The rest we can agree to disagree.
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If your not willing to work go fuck yourself, i'm tired of supporting people who don't want to better themselves or contribute. And that my friends,
where i come from makes me a rac ist, ask the boy6s from here, they'll tell you how it is up or down here. Black crime is unreported in this town,
period. That isa a concious decision made by the powers that be, and don't dare question it, trust me .Now I know there's some black folk on this
board, so chime in, cuz we got to talk about this shit, reallly, we got to. If we don't talk about it stereotypes anfd the media will talk about it on
our behalf. We gotta' spill our guts, man, im beenm drinkinb and thios took me like a hour to type.peaced
Well, its this place where nobody works, and the pigs don\'t give you any shit. Everyone smokes weed and gets drunk all day. Its a place where
cunts like me and you can truly take it easy and relax. Know what I mean?
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Where I'm at the only crime you hear about is in the black community.
I'm a firm believer in "God helps those who help themselves." That comes from the Qur'an. I'm also a firm believer in the concept of "give a man a
fish and he'll eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll eat for the rest of his life."
The sad reality is... poor and working class whites take heat for their stereotypical points of view on the black community because they've been the
last bastion of blatant racism for decades now. And the people at the top of the food chain have been using that to their advantage since before
chattel slavery was the sole form of free labor.
I'll be straight with you, I'm not sure just what effect Affirmative Action has had that is entirely positive. I mean, there're some who have been
brought up to a middle class level through that program... but the trade off is that it's created more resentment and racial division. You gotta
question that, too. Certainly not an easy issue.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaveMoral
Where I'm at the only crime you hear about is in the black community.
I'm a firm believer in "God helps those who help themselves." That comes from the Qur'an. I'm also a firm believer in the concept of "give a man a
fish and he'll eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll eat for the rest of his life."
The sad reality is... poor and working class whites take heat for their stereotypical points of view on the black community because they've been the
last bastion of blatant racism for decades now. And the people at the top of the food chain have been using that to their advantage since before
chattel slavery was the sole form of free labor.
I'll be straight with you, I'm not sure just what effect Affirmative Action has had that is entirely positive. I mean, there're some who have been
brought up to a middle class level through that program... but the trade off is that it's created more resentment and racial division. You gotta
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Yup, never will be an easy issue either. We as a species do not have the enlightenment to get over this shit. It is what it is.
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Mostly just bumping the thread so that I respond to some shit later when I haven't been drinking and taking some pain meds after this surgery, but
I'll throw something out there now...
Have any of you noticed how the comments about affirmative action (AA) immediately took on the tone of "black vs. white"? AA also applies to other
non-white racial minorities (and Hispanics, which only matters if you read survey data that separates out white non-Hispanic and white Hispanic) and
women. Just pointing out a bit of the ingrained, unnoticed racism that we're all guilty of to some extent.
Anyway, I'll probably post a long rant tomorrow that nobody will ever read.
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I think that has alot to do with the tension between black and white being like the headlining act while all other minorities are sort of like billed
lower. If you get my analogy.
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