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LCCC atheists put up ‘gay Jesus’ poster
What a fucking douchbag these kids are.
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Is there any basis for this or are they just trying to pis people off? Not religious and can't stand the church but it is fucked up to attack peoples
personal beliefs for no reason.
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Good call Morgan. Man, this is a blatant attempt. Maybe they feel the Christians blatantly attack them. Either way, things like this are shitty.
Me on the other hand- put up cartoon Muhammads all day long!
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It is the local COMMUNITY COLLEGE and they were/began doing this last semeseter. Now they are just going waay to fucking far.
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I am a devout atheistand loathe all religions with every fibre of my being, but I find this kind of stuff stupid. It's nothing but trying for shock
value. If you want to argue against religion, do it in an intelligent manner.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Discipline
I am a devout atheistand loathe all religions with every fibre of my being, but I find this kind of stuff stupid. It's nothing but trying for shock
value. If you want to argue against religion, do it in an intelligent manner. |
Do you not believe in the idea of a god/supreme being/etc.,?
And personally I think atheism is idiotic because it's just another religion. Saying there is no god is just as the same as saying there is a god.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Siczine.com
| Quote: | Originally posted by Discipline
I am a devout atheistand loathe all religions with every fibre of my being, but I find this kind of stuff stupid. It's nothing but trying for shock
value. If you want to argue against religion, do it in an intelligent manner. |
Do you not believe in the idea of a god/supreme being/etc.,?
And personally I think atheism is idiotic because it's just another religion. Saying there is no god is just as the same as saying there is a god.
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I don't believe in any higher power, life after death, nothing. I don't see atheism as a set of beliefs, but rather a lack of belief. Not the same
thing.
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that poster's just stupid.
just like that Piss Christ painting that guy did years ago.
i'm not religious, but i really don't get off trying to piss off people by mocking their faith.
i can't stand preachy religious types that want you to conform / convert to their ideas, and their argueing about how everyone is wrong but them.
i chose not to share my ideas cause im just not interested in talking about it with them.
i'm not quite an athiest, its just that anyone that ive ever encountered who is mega christian usually has some major personality flaws, and has
turned me off to all of it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CR83
Good call Morgan. Man, this is a blatant attempt. Maybe they feel the Christians blatantly attack them. Either way, things like this are shitty.
Me on the other hand- put up cartoon Muhammads all day long! |
Ah, so thanks for even joking that you're being a douche and offending MY religious beliefs.
Seriously, this thing isn't just offensive to Christians, it's offensive to Muslims as well.
Why is it "shitty" to do this kind of Jesus poster and not shitty to mock Muhammad?
Mike, atheism is the belief that there is no Higher Power. There's no way one can empirically/scientifically prove there is no god just as one cannot
empiricaly/scientifically prove there is a God. Lack of belief in God means one has to believe there is no god. Atheism can't be absent of belief.
More importantly, it's a religious belief that there is no God.
Closest thing one could come to a lack of belief is perhaps nihilism, but even that is the belief that nothing really matters.
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wow... lot going on in this thread.
I dont have anything of value to add, but I have a question.
Whats the difference between ATHIEST and AGNOSTIC?
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atheism, buddism, christianity, hare krishna, islam, believing, not believing, being straight edge, smoking weed, being heterosexual, being gay: it's
all about personal choices...
we must care for ourselves and respect other people's beliefs or lack of beliefs or the way they carry on with their lives and let them be in peace...
mocking jesus, mocking islam, mocking hare krishna and mocking whatever a person believes in is insulting...
always think of this: it's like someone mocking your family, you'll get mad and offended because they're messing with something that is important to
you, something you care for, something you love and live for... it's the same with religion, even if you don't like it or don't agree with it, no one
is forcing you to be a part of it, but never be a prick and make fun of it just 'cause you have a different opinion... if a certain belief or way of
life makes a person happy, good for them, as long as they don't harm others, it's all good...
questioning a person's beliefs or lack of beliefs or their way of life and trying to convince them of the opposite is being the same as that prick
that questioned Discipline's t-shirt the other day: that douch was filled with ignorance and he had the stupid idea that it was gay to wear a t-shirt
of someone he didn't knew... it's stupid to make fun of something you don't...
whatever you believe on: be happy! be wise! be safe! and live on! or not! what ever makes you happy! after all, it is supposed to be a free world,
just don't fuck with anyone if you don't want them to fuck with you...
personally, I try to educate myself the most I can and live my life without harming others and giving respect to those who respect me and demanding
respect from those I give respect to...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by XHonusWagnerX
wow... lot going on in this thread.
I dont have anything of value to add, but I have a question.
Whats the difference between ATHIEST and AGNOSTIC? |
From what I understand an Atheist believes there is no form of higher power or afterlife or anything of that nature. An Agnostic believes that there
is no way that it can be proven whether there is or isn't a higher power. That just the way I understand it.
A serious question for DaveMoral: Why is it in Islam that any image of Muhammad is forbidden and considered highly offensive? I only ask because I'm
curious.
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honus...
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic
- http://www.religioustolerance.org/agnostic.htm
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism
- http://www.religioustolerance.org/atheist.htm
the religious tolerance site has a lot of interesting reading.
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athiest = no religion. rejects the idea.
agnostic = Unsure, but does not follow. Not committed to anything.
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I got niiiiiiiiiihilism...........
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| Quote: | Originally posted by morgan
| Quote: | Originally posted by XHonusWagnerX
wow... lot going on in this thread.
I dont have anything of value to add, but I have a question.
Whats the difference between ATHIEST and AGNOSTIC? |
From what I understand an Atheist believes there is no form of higher power or afterlife or anything of that nature. An Agnostic believes that there
is no way that it can be proven whether there is or isn't a higher power. That just the way I understand it.
A serious question for DaveMoral: Why is it in Islam that any image of Muhammad is forbidden and considered highly offensive? I only ask because I'm
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Morgan, it's not really that it's highly offensive to depict Muhammad. Muslims have done this for centuries. There's a strain of particularly ignorant
Muslims in the world right now, called Wahhabis or Salafis from which you're getting most of your so-called "Islamofascists." They are particularly
strict about this particular thing, some won't even have their own picture taken. There's a certain kind of iconoclasm in Islam that forbids images of
human and animal forms in the mosque to draw a distinction between Islamic monotheism and the polytheism of the ancient Semitic world... as
well as a disctinction between Islamic monotheism and Christian trinitarianism that is highly dependent upon images of Christ. Because of the
reverence in which Muhammad was held in his day he told his followers never to make an image of him so that they wouldn't go too far in their
reverence to the point of worship. It's said that of all the things found in the Kaaba when the Muslims captured Medina from the pagan Arabs Muhammad
allowed a fresco of Mary and Jesus to remain on the walls while destroying the idols of the pagans. It really has a lot more to do with the worship of
the images. Shia Muslims have long had images of the Prophet and the 12 Imams. In Iraq today you can find t-shirts with images of the Imams on them or
giant murals or banners.
There is a long tradition of Muslim art though, and in Iran there's a very long tradition of the "Persian minature" which often depict Muhammad.
Sometimes with a blank space in place of a face, somtimes with a face... sometimes with light radiating from the face, other times veiled. I'll post a
couple examples.
The only form of art really strictly taboo amongst Muslims and thus you don't find much example of it at all is sculpture.
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Ya for Muslims you can never depict what the artist believes to be the form of Allah. In a way is kind of what things really are. Same with the
Christian God. He is omnipotent. Maybe you have seen some artist give GOd a beard and white flowing robe but the idea is not supposed to have a form
of man.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaveMoral
Mike, atheism is the belief that there is no Higher Power. There's no way one can empirically/scientifically prove there is no god just as one cannot
empiricaly/scientifically prove there is a God. Lack of belief in God means one has to believe there is no god. Atheism can't be absent of belief.
More importantly, it's a religious belief that there is no God.
Closest thing one could come to a lack of belief is perhaps nihilism, but even that is the belief that nothing really matters.
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Never looked at it that way. Interesting point. I guess you can call me a nihilist then. I don't believe in jack shit. We live, we die, that's all
I believe in. It's not that I follow a scientific point of view as a opposed to a religious one, I just don't believe in anything.
I still say that religion is the greatest evil the world has ever faced. Not any one religion, but all of them combined. While it's generally the
fanatics that start the problems as opposed to all that follow any particular relation, quite often mob mentality follows and the many others will
join the cause.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaveMoral
Mike, atheism is the belief that there is no Higher Power. There's no way one can empirically/scientifically prove there is no god just as one cannot
empiricaly/scientifically prove there is a God. Lack of belief in God means one has to believe there is no god. Atheism can't be absent of belief.
More importantly, it's a religious belief that there is no God.
Closest thing one could come to a lack of belief is perhaps nihilism, but even that is the belief that nothing really matters.
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Exactly my point in regards to atheism. It is just another religion.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Discipline
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaveMoral
Mike, atheism is the belief that there is no Higher Power. There's no way one can empirically/scientifically prove there is no god just as one cannot
empiricaly/scientifically prove there is a God. Lack of belief in God means one has to believe there is no god. Atheism can't be absent of belief.
More importantly, it's a religious belief that there is no God.
Closest thing one could come to a lack of belief is perhaps nihilism, but even that is the belief that nothing really matters.
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Never looked at it that way. Interesting point. I guess you can call me a nihilist then. I don't believe in jack shit. We live, we die, that's all
I believe in. It's not that I follow a scientific point of view as a opposed to a religious one, I just don't believe in anything.
I still say that religion is the greatest evil the world has ever faced. Not any one religion, but all of them combined. While it's generally the
fanatics that start the problems as opposed to all that follow any particular relation, quite often mob mentality follows and the many others will
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Meh, I'd not be so quick the put that onus on religion. I put the onus on men of wicked intent. Regardless of the belief system they subscribe to.. if
they want money, power, land and resources they'll do whatever they can to get it. Manipulate the teachings of religions, create political and
economic systems and manipulate them further. I mean, look at Communism... that's probably killed more people in the 20th century for going against
its tenets than any religious war or pogrom did in 2 centuries. Communism is an atheist ideology. Hell, Western democratic capitalism has probably
been responsible for more death and destruction in a century than religion too.
Religion gets a bad rap because we associate the "dark ages" with religion's dominance of Europe. Which was a bad time, sure. Conversely, the Muslim
world of that time period was at its prime in the arts and sciences... while being ruled according to Islamic religious law. It was in that time
period when the Muslim religious scholar whose opinions essentially form the basis for the Wahhabi and Salafi "fundamentalist" movements in the modern
Muslim world came along... and he was decried as a heretic by the majority of his religious scholar contemporaries. Makes ya think...
Clevo, Muslims don't just have a taboo against depicting what someone's "conception" of God is... anyone that has any sort of idea of God in a form of
any kind has essentially become an idolator. We don't make God in our own image, and even the 99 names of God that Muslims use aren't considered to be
the same as the Essential Being of God... which is not only indescribable.. it's not contemplatable. It is literally the Absolute in the grandest
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Religion is all make believe. If you believe in any kind of god or devil, you might as well believe in santa or the tooth fairy. Can you really prove
there's no santa claus?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaveMoral
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Mike, atheism is the belief that there is no Higher Power. There's no way one can empirically/scientifically prove there is no god just as one cannot
empiricaly/scientifically prove there is a God. Lack of belief in God means one has to believe there is no god. Atheism can't be absent of belief.
More importantly, it's a religious belief that there is no God.
Closest thing one could come to a lack of belief is perhaps nihilism, but even that is the belief that nothing really matters.
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Never looked at it that way. Interesting point. I guess you can call me a nihilist then. I don't believe in jack shit. We live, we die, that's all
I believe in. It's not that I follow a scientific point of view as a opposed to a religious one, I just don't believe in anything.
I still say that religion is the greatest evil the world has ever faced. Not any one religion, but all of them combined. While it's generally the
fanatics that start the problems as opposed to all that follow any particular relation, quite often mob mentality follows and the many others will
join the cause. |
Meh, I'd not be so quick the put that onus on religion. I put the onus on men of wicked intent. Regardless of the belief system they subscribe to.. if
they want money, power, land and resources they'll do whatever they can to get it. Manipulate the teachings of religions, create political and
economic systems and manipulate them further. I mean, look at Communism... that's probably killed more people in the 20th century for going against
its tenets than any religious war or pogrom did in 2 centuries. Communism is an atheist ideology. Hell, Western democratic capitalism has probably
been responsible for more death and destruction in a century than religion too.
Religion gets a bad rap because we associate the "dark ages" with religion's dominance of Europe. Which was a bad time, sure. Conversely, the Muslim
world of that time period was at its prime in the arts and sciences... while being ruled according to Islamic religious law. It was in that time
period when the Muslim religious scholar whose opinions essentially form the basis for the Wahhabi and Salafi "fundamentalist" movements in the modern
Muslim world came along... and he was decried as a heretic by the majority of his religious scholar contemporaries. Makes ya think...
Clevo, Muslims don't just have a taboo against depicting what someone's "conception" of God is... anyone that has any sort of idea of God in a form of
any kind has essentially become an idolator. We don't make God in our own image, and even the 99 names of God that Muslims use aren't considered to be
the same as the Essential Being of God... which is not only indescribable.. it's not contemplatable. It is literally the Absolute in the grandest
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From the little bit of reading I have done on the antiquities, the Muslim world during the period of 750-1000 flourished. They absorbed aspects of
Greco-Roman culture as well as the Byzantines and Persians. They also were responsible for saving and spreading many of the scientific and
philosophical works of ancient civilizations. And can't forget the contributions of Al-Khwarizimi, who created algebra.
However, the Islam world was racked by corruption due to their prosperity. The Abbasid dynasty constantly fought over succession to the caliphate.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Shootingscars
Religion is all make believe. If you believe in any kind of god or devil, you might as well believe in santa or the tooth fairy. Can you really prove
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That's a really asinine statement.
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