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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaveMoral
Meh, I'd not be so quick the put that onus on religion. I put the onus on men of wicked intent. Regardless of the belief system they subscribe to.. if
they want money, power, land and resources they'll do whatever they can to get it. Manipulate the teachings of religions, create political and
economic systems and manipulate them further. I mean, look at Communism... that's probably killed more people in the 20th century for going against
its tenets than any religious war or pogrom did in 2 centuries. Communism is an atheist ideology. Hell, Western democratic capitalism has probably
been responsible for more death and destruction in a century than religion too.
Religion gets a bad rap because we associate the "dark ages" with religion's dominance of Europe. Which was a bad time, sure. Conversely, the Muslim
world of that time period was at its prime in the arts and sciences... while being ruled according to Islamic religious law. It was in that time
period when the Muslim religious scholar whose opinions essentially form the basis for the Wahhabi and Salafi "fundamentalist" movements in the modern
Muslim world came along... and he was decried as a heretic by the majority of his religious scholar contemporaries. Makes ya think...
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It may be men of wicked intent, but religion is the tool they use to bring others to their cause.
‘Do you know what a love letter is? It’s a bullet from a fucking gun. Straight through your heart.’
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If you don't believe in things you can't "see", such as a devil then whats up with your signature?
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just a cool line from a Ramallah song. Religion is fine if you feel you need it. Heaven and hell? C'mon! The amount of ants and mosquitos i've killed
in my life, i'm a fuckin genocidal maniac! Life is life, no matter how small. So are they all in bug heaven or hell? Just because we're the smartest
species we have divine laws we should follow? To each their own. Native americans got it right, worship the sun. At least its real.
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Santa rules.
Don't none of you talkk smack on st nick or I'll crap in a christmas stocking and mail it to ya via reindeer
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I don't subscribe myself to any religion. I find all forms of religion pointless, especially atheism.
I do believe in some higher power though. And I don't believe anything ANY religion preaches about the after life because no one knows. But
denouncing the existence of a god is just as stupid as saying there is no god. How the hell do you know? None of us know.
And your use of the term genocide is wrong.
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not really. I'm deliberately trying to wipe their species(ants and mosquitos) off the planet.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Shootingscars
not really. I'm deliberately trying to wipe their species(ants and mosquitos) off the planet. |
Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group.
No insect falls under those categories.
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the ones I'm killing all worship the same gods though.
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Mosquitus Christ and Ant Jemima
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Shootingscars
just a cool line from a Ramallah song. Religion is fine if you feel you need it. Heaven and hell? C'mon! The amount of ants and mosquitos i've killed
in my life, i'm a fuckin genocidal maniac! Life is life, no matter how small. So are they all in bug heaven or hell? Just because we're the smartest
species we have divine laws we should follow? To each their own. Native americans got it right, worship the sun. At least its real.
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Obviously you don't know jack shit about Native American religion bro.
They believe in Wankan Tanka(that's the Souix word anyway, there's other names) which means Great Spirit/Great Mystery. Unseen creator deity. There're
numerous spirits.. animal spirits, Mother Earth, Father Sky, the spirits of the East, West, North and South.
The funny thing is, the presumption that because you can't see it it doesn't exist is just... it's a logical fallacy. Nevermind that there're things
within the physical realm that are beyond YOUR ability to percieve without either specialized equipment or other means of measure. For instance, can
you see gravity? Can you see electro-magnetism? You see their effects, but you don't actually see them. Let alone microbes, bacteria etc. It goes
beyond that. You can't see molecules or atoms, or subatomic particles... yet I'm sure you believe they exist because some scientist or science book
told you they exist. This is the same logic as having blind faith in a religious book.
There's also the presumption that because YOU aren't capable of observing something in any manner that no one else capable of observing something in
any manner. It couldn't possibly be that people believe in the existence of a Higher Power because of things they've experienced and not because they
read it in a book or were told/taught to believe in It.
Mike, sure religion has been the tool of the wicked in the past... when it was the most effective tool for manipulating people to their whim. That's
no longer case, and worse atrocities have been done by manipulating people through politics, nationalism, racism, patriotism etc. To blame religion,
which more often than not actually has a more universal outlook on human beings as be part of the same human family than the previously mentioned
ideologies/concepts, is just short sighted. Blame is due where blame is due, and I think that rests far more on the shoulders of greedy men than it
does upon the shoulders of ancient mystics that were trying to uplift their people and improve the world around them.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaveMoral
| Quote: | Originally posted by CR83
Good call Morgan. Man, this is a blatant attempt. Maybe they feel the Christians blatantly attack them. Either way, things like this are shitty.
Me on the other hand- put up cartoon Muhammads all day long! |
Ah, so thanks for even joking that you're being a douche and offending MY religious beliefs.
Seriously, this thing isn't just offensive to Christians, it's offensive to Muslims as well.
Why is it "shitty" to do this kind of Jesus poster and not shitty to mock Muhammad?
Mike, atheism is the belief that there is no Higher Power. There's no way one can empirically/scientifically prove there is no god just as one cannot
empiricaly/scientifically prove there is a God. Lack of belief in God means one has to believe there is no god. Atheism can't be absent of belief.
More importantly, it's a religious belief that there is no God.
Closest thing one could come to a lack of belief is perhaps nihilism, but even that is the belief that nothing really matters.
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Dave, I was just kidding Bud. I really meant no offense about cartoons. I was just being sarcastic. Sorry Man.
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there was a point in my life where i would engage in arguements and trying to out wit people on the subject of religious stuff. these days , i just
want to be left alone, so i leave it alone.
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Arguing about peoples imaginary friends is kind of pointless.
I believe I'll have another beer.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Jason the Magnificent
Arguing about peoples imaginary friends is kind of pointless.
I believe I'll have another beer. |
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lets coordinate a thorp online toast
i say midnite.
get yer mugs ready
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one beer left after this one...I'll save that terrible beast(milwaukees) for 33 more minutes..
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Christ I'm on coffee now. Went to the P's for a BBQ and ate so damn much I feel sick...sipping coffee now trying to digest.
Polished off quite a few Sammy Cream Stouts earlier.
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Had a six of them earlier in the week and tried one bottle of Dragon stout. Made by red stripe, fucking terrible.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by juandiablo
lets coordinate a thorp online toast
i say midnite.
get yer mugs ready |
I've been drinking since about 9:30. Pretty sure I had some form of alcohol in my hand at midnight.
And thanks to DaveMoral for the information. Interesting information. Guess I can say I learned something.
Support the arts, shoot a rapper.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Siczine.com
I don't subscribe myself to any religion. I find all forms of religion pointless, especially atheism.
I do believe in some higher power though. And I don't believe anything ANY religion preaches about the after life because no one knows. But
denouncing the existence of a god is just as stupid as saying there is no god. How the hell do you know? None of us know.
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You're right, I don't know if there is a God, but how is saying that more stupid than saying there is one?
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I don't subscribe myself to any religion. I find all forms of religion pointless, especially atheism.
I do believe in some higher power though. And I don't believe anything ANY religion preaches about the after life because no one knows. But
denouncing the existence of a god is just as stupid as saying there is no god. How the hell do you know? None of us know.
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You're right, I don't know if there is a God, but how is saying that more stupid than saying there is one? |
Nowhere did I say that it was more stupid, I said it was just as stupid, which it is. I will admit my wording in the above quotes
could've been better.
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I don't know about all that. Regardless of what do you believe, you're trying to say believing in something that has no real evidence is 'as' stupid
as not believing in something that has no real evidence? You're stretching it a bit there.
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I don't see how. It's completely logical and aligns fairly well with many forms of agnosticism, especially hard agnosticism, and mild agnosticism.
Edit: By the way, I didn't talk about believing Jason. Believing is different from saying for certain there is a god or saying for certain there is
no god.
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So jesus goes into a motel, slaps three nails on the counter and says "hey, can you put me up for the night?"
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