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It's funny: McCain's weakness with Republicans as a whole was he sided too often with moderates and democrats.
His weakness with Dems here was that he was "more of the same" of a guy he hated for most of his time working with him and vice versa.
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i saw an ad where it was mccain in the flesh, or tv flesh, saying that 90% of the time he vote with bush. if that's the case, obviously he wasn't that diff. from bush |
Missed my point, huh?
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How did he miss your point? You said his weakness was that he sides with the Dems and moderates more than his own party. Joe said that was the
opposite.
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How did he miss your point? You said his weakness was that he sides with the Dems and moderates more than his own party. Joe said that was the
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His point was that McCain's weakness is that every side hates him because they thinks he too much like "the other side". Dems think he's too
conservative. Conservatives think he's too moderate/liberal. So everyone hates him.
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I got that.
I can't speak on Joe's behalf but it seemed like he was just saying McCain's party perceived weaknesses were unfounded if McCain indeed voted with
his party 90% of the time, which he did say.
He was merely presenting a "fact" to counter Mark's witty observation.
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God I hope things really change. Especially foreign policy wise. That should be the major focus of at least half the firs term... repairing the
bullshit the Bush administration broke internationally. |
Obviously, Iraq and Afghanistan are priorities, but aside from that, I disagree. Get cracking on domestic issues, first. |
Speaking from a somewhat educated view on what is really occuring day to day in the aformentioned countries, I must say I agree with both of these
statements to a degree. I think the economy is the primary focus right now, but these wars CAN NOT be ignored (especially Afghanistan) right now. We
are at a crucial point in Iraq as well and leaving too soon would be a slap in the face to everyone I served with over there and all who came before
and after me. We (the military) have worked to goddamn hard and sacrificed way too much to have it all tossed out by an idealist fishing for votes
from an instant gratification based society. With that said, I like alot of what President elect Obama has to say and I will serve him with as much
honor as I have served all my Commanders in Chief, I just hope some of what he said about Iraq in particular in the past was a bit of lip service. I
look foward to more political pressure on the Iraqi government, they need a swift kick in the ass to get them moving, and I do think Afghanistan
should be the focus as far as this war goes, it always should have been. I could go on and on, history was written last night and I, like alot of
others in this great country, am excited about the futures prospects. Today is not a day for cynics, save it for when it is called for. Oh, and to all
who thought the system would be rigged and never allow the underdog the chance..........you were and still are wrong. |
I tell you what I'd really like to see... more of the proverbial carrots being offered up instead of threatening everyone wit the big fucking stick.
And I hope Obama really has the courage to do that instead of feeling like he's got to live up to this tough guy American image. Everyone knows we
could nuke the world and any single country that pissed off enough into oblivion with the push of a button... it's time we let those little guys with
axes to grind with us not feel like they are being held hostage and get to do some talking.
Diplomacy is not weakness.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Siczine.com
I got that.
I can't speak on Joe's behalf but it seemed like he was just saying McCain's party perceived weaknesses were unfounded if McCain indeed voted with
his party 90% of the time, which he did say.
He was merely presenting a "fact" to counter Mark's witty observation. |
Actually, I've been following McCain very closely for about 15 years. I voted for him in 2000. In the Bush administration, he voted closely along the
Bush lines. Previous to that, he was almost despised by a large amount of the party for being too moderate and siding with the Dems. His best friend
on Capital Hill is Joe Lieberman, a democrat. (Granted, a conservative dem, but a dem none the less.) He was also McCain's personal choice for VP and
needless to say, the party shot that down. There was a story a few years back when Obama was first elected. He wrote Obama a letter essentially saying
how excited he was to work with him, etc. Obama basically said he wasn't really interested in compromising his ideals with Republicans. McCain's past
seriously hurt him with the party and he's been looked at as a black sheep ever since, even when towing the Bush line. And, in fact, a large portion
of the party (esp the far right) don't like Bush anymore, either, so his more recent alliance with Bush has damaged him with those people (the people
that backed Huckabee, Romney, etc). Not to mention damaging his rep with dems.
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Also, it was pretty well documented that Bush and McCain didn't like each other, even though McCain was voting with Bush in recent years.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaveMoral
| Quote: | Originally posted by Voodoobillyman
| Quote: | Originally posted by MarkV
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaveMoral
God I hope things really change. Especially foreign policy wise. That should be the major focus of at least half the firs term... repairing the
bullshit the Bush administration broke internationally. |
Obviously, Iraq and Afghanistan are priorities, but aside from that, I disagree. Get cracking on domestic issues, first. |
Speaking from a somewhat educated view on what is really occuring day to day in the aformentioned countries, I must say I agree with both of these
statements to a degree. I think the economy is the primary focus right now, but these wars CAN NOT be ignored (especially Afghanistan) right now. We
are at a crucial point in Iraq as well and leaving too soon would be a slap in the face to everyone I served with over there and all who came before
and after me. We (the military) have worked to goddamn hard and sacrificed way too much to have it all tossed out by an idealist fishing for votes
from an instant gratification based society. With that said, I like alot of what President elect Obama has to say and I will serve him with as much
honor as I have served all my Commanders in Chief, I just hope some of what he said about Iraq in particular in the past was a bit of lip service. I
look foward to more political pressure on the Iraqi government, they need a swift kick in the ass to get them moving, and I do think Afghanistan
should be the focus as far as this war goes, it always should have been. I could go on and on, history was written last night and I, like alot of
others in this great country, am excited about the futures prospects. Today is not a day for cynics, save it for when it is called for. Oh, and to all
who thought the system would be rigged and never allow the underdog the chance..........you were and still are wrong. |
I tell you what I'd really like to see... more of the proverbial carrots being offered up instead of threatening everyone wit the big fucking stick.
And I hope Obama really has the courage to do that instead of feeling like he's got to live up to this tough guy American image. Everyone knows we
could nuke the world and any single country that pissed off enough into oblivion with the push of a button... it's time we let those little guys with
axes to grind with us not feel like they are being held hostage and get to do some talking.
Diplomacy is not weakness. |
Nope, diplomacy is not weakness and it is the ONLY way we are going to be successfull now in that country. The combat portion has long been over and
we have been operating in a security/rebuilding capacity for quite some time. President elect Obama needs to be firm with the Iraqi government and
diplomatically leverage them into finally accepting more responsibility for themselves and their country. I am also open to the idea of negotiating
with those we disagree with, it's the best way to get things done. We can not, however, allow what happend with Clinton and North Korea occur while
engaging these various countries diplomatically. The American taxpayer was providing relief to N Korea under agreements they would not pursue Nuclear
arms power and they were backdooring ol' Billy boy the whole time, with the end result being the testing of said weaponry a few years later. We live
in interesting times pals o mine.
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For the record, I am all for what Obama said in regards to the money being spent in Iraq while they sit on a large surplus. it is inexcusable and the
current administration has done nothing about it. I just don't think he should remove the military too quickly. It needs to be a strategic shift from
the one theatre to another (Afghanistan) with heavy concentration on rooting out those who are truly threatening this country.
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For the record I never backed OBAMA. Hope things get better and I was wrong but well see. He is my President now and I have the same expectations as I
would expect NADER or McCain to have done. For now lets get this LAME DUCK out of office.
Each aspect of the soul has it's own part to play, but the ideal is harmonious agreement with reason and control.
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For the record I never backed OBAMA. Hope things get better and I was wrong but well see. He is my President now and I have the same expectations as I
would expect NADER or McCain to have done. For now lets get this LAME DUCK out of office. |
Out of curiosity, did you vote for Bush?
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No.
Gore, Kerry.
Each aspect of the soul has it's own part to play, but the ideal is harmonious agreement with reason and control.
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if you talk to mark v, even if you point out something that could prove him wrong, you are always wrong cause mark v is always right, no matter what.
sorry to have pointed out a fact mark. i'll keep quiet whenever i see you're posted cause we know it's the fuckin' gospel truth. just, for a man
that hated bush, you wouldn't think they'd agree so much
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voodoo...
are you me?
do we share a brain?
or maybe i just logged into the board with your account and sleep posted that shit.
either way...
i am on fuckin' board with your last few posts, brother.
If I fail math, there goes my chance at a good job and a happy life full of hard work.
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Joe-
Do you have any idea what you're talking about or did you even read my post? It wouldn't take very much leg work on your part to find documents
supporting all of it. I agreed with your "fact" and stated why that had hurt McCain, and then backed up my initial statement, which again, is well
supported.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BD
voodoo...
are you me?
do we share a brain?
or maybe i just logged into the board with your account and sleep posted that shit.
either way...
i am on fuckin' board with your last few posts, brother. |
it hurts being the man sometimes dosen't it Big D?
I will even put it out there and I never vote and tell...........I voted for Obama. I also voted for Bush both times and don't regret any of it. I
love this country fiercly and believe with all of my heart and soul that it still has good going on in it. We just need to deport a few million
knuckleheads to an isolated territory to live out the rest of their ignorant days without directly affecting decent thinking people. Things would be
golden then.
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From a very liberal dem on another board:
"McCain was stuck in a shitty quandry-
If he hadn't made the conscious decision to 'get on board' with Bush post-2000, he really would have had a great chance to win against Obama... as his
previous positions which differed from Bush's were much closer to those of Obama, and would have neutralized them.
Sadly, for him, the GOP primaries never would have let him get that chance."
Also, there were strong rumors in 04 that Kerry was seriously considering him as running mate.
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Either way, why would you want someone like McCain who flip flops to what is popular at the time? (if he would've stayed pre-2000 he may have actually
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