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Out of curiosity....
How do you guys feel about transracial adoption?
Specifically- white people raising black children.
Got into a debate over this recently, and I'm just interested to hear from a group of people who I know will be honest.
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Why should it matter?
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anyone who has a problem with it needs to have their eyes removed with a hot poker...
than let's see how much it matters
kids need love and positive home enviroments
as long as the parents can supply that I don't care about race, sexual preference, religion, age, or past...
some of the worst people I have known have turned out to be great parents in the end
and those who try to be all soccer momish are usually full of shit and hate their kids...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by defstarsteve
kids need love and positive home enviroments
as long as the parents can supply that I don't care about race, sexual preference, religion, age, or past...
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Steve summed it up right there. The only argument I can see against it has to do with the psychological effects on the kid. Both the kid always
feeling 'different' from his parents, and all the shitbags in society who will have a problem with it and take it out on the kid in some way. But
there are too many kids who need families and aren't being adopted now, and I think that has much more detrimental effects on the child. The answer
there isn't to ban or discourage transracial adoption... it's to make sure that the parents are more prepared to deal with the issues in an
appropriate manner, because they will come up.
But if you're talking about the fetish/novelty of white actresses visiting African countries and bringing back a little African baby as a souvenir...
I do find that offensive. But mostly because I know they're not raising the kid. They're just going to pay someone else to raise him/her for them.
That's not love.
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I dont think it sould matter either.
on a slightly related note, on LA INK a couple of weeks ago a black guy went in to get a portrait of him and his brother. His brother was white, but
they were both painted up like KISS (Ace and Gene). The white kid had the classic 70's shaggy haircut and the black kid had a big afro. They also both
had miserable looks on their faces. The picture was awesome!
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I'd rather see a kid get adopted by someone of another race than sit in an orphanage or foster care.
As random pointed out, the only time I have a problem with it is when celebrities are adopting kids from other countries so they can brag about it in
the news.
‘Do you know what a love letter is? It’s a bullet from a fucking gun. Straight through your heart.’
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from whay i hear it is pretty hard to adopt kids anymore in America.
a man at work adopted a baby from China not too long ago. He spent alot of money doing it.
It shouldnt matter.
a man who is involved in our basebal leauge has 5 black kids that he adopted / took in. he's an older white dude.
those kids are happy, and thankful for the good life he has given them.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by juandiablo
from whay i hear it is pretty hard to adopt kids anymore in America.
a man at work adopted a baby from China not too long ago. He spent alot of money doing it.
It shouldnt matter.
a man who is involved in our basebal leauge has 5 black kids that he adopted / took in. he's an older white dude.
those kids are happy, and thankful for the good life he has given them. |
Actually it's not that hard to adopt in america. The problem is that there is a hierarchy in adoption. Blonde haired, blue eyed baby girls are at the
top of the list, black boys are at the bottom. There is also a lot of hypocrisy. When we went to our first agency we were expected to prove that we
attended church regulary and were of strong faith. The other HUGE issue in adopting american babies is that almost 100% of them are drug and alcohol
exposed. The idea the teen moms are giving their babies up is a myth. The women giving their babies up for adoption are older, already have 2 -3 kids
and live a hard life. A lot of them are in prison.
I'm really glad you all feel that way. 
http://www.spence-chapin.org/asapwaiting.html
This is Joshua. My husband is probably going to say no, just because of all the possible difficultlies this little guy could face, but I would be
willing to risk it. He's beautiful.
In any event, thank you for all your opinions.
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i think it's great that some people are willing to put some real effort into raising any child, especially if it saves them the hell of being tossed
around in the system.
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fire, but I?m just not close enough to get the job done.? George Carlin
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Doesnt matter so long as the child is safe and taken care of.
Each aspect of the soul has it's own part to play, but the ideal is harmonious agreement with reason and control.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DAK
Why should it matter? |
| Quote: | Originally posted by Enyo
When we went to our first agency we were expected to prove that we attended church regulary and were of strong faith. |
religious people never cease to disgust me.
so, if you have no criminal record, you are financially secure and you seem like good people that's all negated because you don't believe in imaginary
things?
they're not worried about the child's well-being, they're just worried about making sure there's one more "member" on the planet.
fuckin' pathetic.
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He's adorable. Good luck on it.
I agree with the consensus here. A good home and someone to take care of them is what's needed.
I don't care if it's another race, the adopted parents are gay, whatever. If it's a good home and the parents will raise the kid to fend for itself
and respect itself then, it's a good thing all around.
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Thanks Shawn- That little guy is too risky for us. Because he doesn't qualify for medicaid or adoption subsidy, any and all medical issues would be
our responsibility. Our health insurance situation is pretty shaky so major medical issues could break us financially.
We have signed up to foster/ adopt and will be done with that process in March. We hope to have our first placement soon after. We were told that
we're one of the very few white families locally that are willing to take African American or bi-racial kids.  I have had some issues with people that I thought were friends being really negative about our decision, but I wanted
to go with the group that has the biggest need and since 70% of the kids in our area in foster care are black.. that's what we went with.
We've done all kinds of reading on transracial adoption and have the support of a few close black friends who will help us with any cultural issues
that may arise. I just want to be as informed and proactive as possible, you know?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by clevohardcore
Doesnt matter so long as the child is safe and taken care of. |
agreed
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I wonder if a black child who is adopted by a white couple is effected differently then if it were a black couple? Think of the cultural history and
tradition they would be missing out on by living with a different race. I'm not saying transracial adoption is bad but I think it has its
advantages/disadvantages.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lucabrasi
I wonder if a black child who is adopted by a white couple is effected differently then if it were a black couple? Think of the cultural history and
tradition they would be missing out on by living with a different race. I'm not saying transracial adoption is bad but I think it has its
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No, you make an excellent point. The reality of the situation is that we are the THIRD best option for a black infant. First would be that the birth
parents would be willing and able to raise him, second would be a good black family. But if neither of those two options exist..... That just leaves
us.
You can't say that all you need is love, because that's just not true. They need positive role models, they need to have friends and extended family
(optionally) that are the same color.
In NYC or places like that it may not be so important, but we live in the south. In a small town. Where people still have rebel flags hanging from
their homes and trucks.
Again, I thank you guys for your opinions on this. 
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well this is kind of corny but Billary said it takes a village and I think in this case it would be true...
I think a responsible parent of an interacial child be it thru adoption or natural means, would need to make sure the child knows of it's heritage and
be involved in aspects of both cultures...
it may be awkward for you if you don't have a lot of friends of color, but I think it would be up to you to keep child in his or her community...and
be come part of that community...
the community may look weird at you at first but when they see your love for the child, they will accept you and help you and the child.
yes there are some people of all races who care a little too much about race, but the majority of people look beyond that to see what's inside your
heart and motives.
good luck...
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I don't think it should matter, but I think in the case of black children a sincere attempt to expose those kids to black American culture should be
made. It's doable, and I've heard lots of stories about it.
The church thing is somewhat silly, but then again... if they are openly a specifically Christian adoption agency it shouldn't be unexpected.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaveMoral
I don't think it should matter, but I think in the case of black children a sincere attempt to expose those kids to black American culture should be
made. It's doable, and I've heard lots of stories about it.
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what exactly is black american culture and why should this attempt be made?
serious question, not taking any shots or anything
you come at the king....you best not miss
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