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Slapshot & the bosstones @ the middle east
The bosstones did a 1/2 hour soundcheck and it included them doing what's at stake with Dickey & Choke singing. It was pretty awesome!
Doors are open & I'm doing merch. Sold some stuff so far but not much. Hopefully it picks up alot. Bosstones shirts are $20, the attack shirts are $15
& slapshot shirts are $10 (thanks to def-star!)
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Def-Star, making $10 dollar shirts a possability since (insert date he started here). Hence why my podcasts shirt are only $10.00. Speaking of
which, I have yours boxed and ready to go Honus.
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4th song in was "watch me bleed". Choke busted his head open with the mic and after the song he stood there bleeding and shouting "are you not
entertained? Are you not entertained?"
Fucking awesome!
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HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
RULE!
YOU,HONUS,IS WHAT MAKES THE "EDGE" COOL.
YOUR FRIEND,
PAULIE |
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Would love to see both bands.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by XHonusWagnerX
4th song in was "watch me bleed". Choke busted his head open with the mic and after the song he stood there bleeding and shouting "are you not
entertained? Are you not entertained?"
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Please post pics and thanks for the update.
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They played "step on it" as the last song and Steve Risteen (original guitar player) came out & played it with them. First time he's played with them
since Sudden Death Overtime.
Bosstones are playing now.
| Quote: | Originally posted by REV.PAULIE
HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
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YOU,HONUS,IS WHAT MAKES THE "EDGE" COOL.
YOUR FRIEND,
PAULIE |
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Headed home now. The show was great. Choke did do what's at stake with the bosstones & it was really cool. Not sure if they have ever done that
before.
There is merch left. I'll post info tomorrow!
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HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
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Kids are funny. Sometimes if they see one band selling their shirts for half the price of the headliner then they assume the band is either desperate
or of lesser quality. They will also pay anything for a shirt. A good practice is to set prices at the same as the headliner as a courtesy to the host
and then the perception to the audience is that everyone is on equal footing.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mark Lind
Kids are funny. Sometimes if they see one band selling their shirts for half the price of the headliner then they assume the band is either desperate
or of lesser quality. They will also pay anything for a shirt. A good practice is to set prices at the same as the headliner as a courtesy to the host
and then the perception to the audience is that everyone is on equal footing. |
F-that. I was happy to buy a 10 dollar shirt. It didn't seem desperate at all. It seems desperate when headliners over-charge the shit out of
products.
Let's play 5 shows a year and make as much as if we played a full year.
Gotta love capitalism.
30 bucks a ticket, 20-40 a shirt equals a really freaking expensive night. Show some courtesy to the fans. They are the ones who put food on the table
for the bands.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ShawnRefuse
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mark Lind
Kids are funny. Sometimes if they see one band selling their shirts for half the price of the headliner then they assume the band is either desperate
or of lesser quality. They will also pay anything for a shirt. A good practice is to set prices at the same as the headliner as a courtesy to the host
and then the perception to the audience is that everyone is on equal footing. |
F-that. I was happy to buy a 10 dollar shirt. It didn't seem desperate at all. It seems desperate when headliners over-charge the shit out of
products.
Let's play 5 shows a year and make as much as if we played a full year.
Gotta love capitalism.
30 bucks a ticket, 20-40 a shirt equals a really freaking expensive night. Show some courtesy to the fans. They are the ones who put food on the table
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I know what you mean. When I read back what I wrote it didn't really convey my point that I was going for. At all.
If Slapshot had sold their shirts for $20 then they would have sold just as many as they did for $10 (maybe even more). Let's face it.... most
Bosstones fans aren't exactly used to the idea of punk rock prices. The tickets and shirts cost a lot because that's what their fans are accustomed to
paying. These are the same people that pay $35 to $40 for a shirt at a major concert venue.
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I understand what Mark is saying, but I really dont think we would have sold just as many shirts. We might have made the same amount of money, but not
made as many people happy. We had 4 designs and we had people buying 3 or 4 at a time because of the price. We also had stickers for $1 when the
cheapest thing the Bosstones had was a 7" for $8. I had kids paying with change just because they wanted to buy something from the band. The people
that bought 3-4 shirts I gave stickers to and they were psyched too.
I disagree with a 'price match' thing because people were there to see the Bosstones which means if shirts were $20 all around they would only buy a
Bosstones shirt. Lots of people carry $20-$30 but not as many carry $40-$60. It was an all ages show which means young kids only have so mucn merch
money after paying $30 for a ticket and the adults only have so much beer money after paying $30 for a ticket.
All that being said when my old band put out our first CD it was $5 instores. When we did our second, one of the guys said it should be $8-$9 because
people think that a $5 CD is shitty and they dont buy it, but they are more likely to spend $10 because they think its something good. Thats not how I
think personally, but I do understand it.
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HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
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$8 for a 7" record is a damn crime. Was it a picture disc at least?
Yeah I don't really get it. But when we were touring with DKM, Ken asked us to match shirt prices with them. I think they were selling theirs for $12
and ours were $10. As soon as we did that then we started selling more shirts. Not just making the extra $2 on each one but also moving more volume.
It's a baffling thing to try to wrap your mind around but some kids think increased cost is better quality. Who knows?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mark Lind
$8 for a 7" record is a damn crime. Was it a picture disc at least?
Yeah I don't really get it. But when we were touring with DKM, Ken asked us to match shirt prices with them. I think they were selling theirs for $12
and ours were $10. As soon as we did that then we started selling more shirts. Not just making the extra $2 on each one but also moving more volume.
It's a baffling thing to try to wrap your mind around but some kids think increased cost is better quality. Who knows? |
I think any t-shirt should be no more than 15. So matching 12 isn't a huge deal plus it was a tour.
But 20 is pretty steep. I agree with what you had to do, but I honestly don't think Slapshot would have sold as many at 20 bucks. I think they could
have matched the Attack though and do 15.
Next time we play with you Mark, I think we should sell shirts for $50 then we only need to move one or two for a good night 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ShawnRefuse
Next time we play with you Mark, I think we should sell shirts for $50 then we only need to move one or two for a good night |
And if you sell none it's obviously because you got a slacker for a merch bitch. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mark Lind
$8 for a 7" record is a damn crime. Was it a picture disc at least?
Yeah I don't really get it. But when we were touring with DKM, Ken asked us to match shirt prices with them. I think they were selling theirs for $12
and ours were $10. As soon as we did that then we started selling more shirts. Not just making the extra $2 on each one but also moving more volume.
It's a baffling thing to try to wrap your mind around but some kids think increased cost is better quality. Who knows? |
see and I think that $20 for a Tshirt is worse than $8 for a 7" but maybe its just me. Theres a lot more cost that can and does go into recording,
mastering and pressing a record than designing and printing a Tshirt.
Anyway, I think that matching prices at $12 is totally fine and even $15 is okay, but $20 is high. I remember when The Bosstones opened for Aerosmith
and they had to price match and the Bosstones shirts were $35.
The other thing that to me makes it worse is that most of the Bosstones shirts they had are the same ones you could have bought at a show 10 years ago
or on Interpunk last week and in either of those situations they would have cost you $12
Oh yeah... and no its not a picture disc. Regular old black vinyl in a pretty thick cardboard sleeve and it came with a full color sticker. Thats it.
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HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
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I know my prices are low on printing, so bands can sell at a lower price...
but now that I also work in high end corporate printing, I do believe that big bands are even more full of shit...
we did work the last 2 weeks for lil wayne...
they just ordered a 12 color shirt today for his tour...
cost of shirt out the door was around $3 fucking dollars for only 1000 shirts...
yes the marketing company and everyone else has to get a hand in there before they are sold at shows,
but fuck I can't touch that price ever not even for 1 color anymore...
so anyone putting shirts at $20.00 is ripping the crowd fucking off... but what I do know
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Yeah... the profit margin on t-shirts is absurd. We've consistently sold ours (all my bands) for $10 up until this year when I had to raise them to
$12 (aside from that aforementioned DKM tour). But don't hate the player.... hate the game. Bands like the Bosstones, DKM, Flogging Molly and all
bands of that size sell their shirts for absurd amounts of money. Even Street Dogs do it and they aren't a pimple on the ass of those bands from a
popularity standpoint. I personally wouldn't pay $20 for a shirt* but people do. Bands can get away with it.
I hope I'm not coming off as defending the idea of dragging people over the coals for their money. But it is a fact of life.
*I've even become more high maintenance lately. I'll only buy a shirt if it is made of a certain fabric that I can recognize by touching it. American
Apparel makes them. Maybe you know what they are, defstarsteve.
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oh yeah I get what you are saying, but there is the punk level and the mainstream level
and we def-star try to make them as cheap as possible, so the band can make a little money since make money on cd sales is joke.
at the day job, today alone I worked on lil wayne, pepsi and harry potter
all of which will be maked up beyond what any punk even DKM or Bosstones could even being to try to make.
I can guarentee that lil wayne is selling his $3.00 shirts for $35.00...
how else do you cover your bling
the bigger the band the more hands ni the pocket and the less in control the bands are.
DKM probably get royalties in advance and the merch is coverd by a 3rd party that determines the pricing...
the whole thing at that level is just insane...
as for "fashion" tees
some bands ask for them and they pay almost 3-5 dollars more a piece in cost...
so they have to charge more for those...
but I have talked to bands about profit margins in the past...
they come and ask me for the fancy track jackets that end up costing almost 20.00 a piece
and they can only afford to make 25 or so
and very few people have 40-50 at a show for a jacket
so it takes them longer to sell them...
for the same money they could have made 100 shirts 4 different designs sold them for 10.00 a piece
and sold out in a few shows
costs both at 500.00
sales both at 1000.00
and if they sold the shirts for 12 they would have made another 200.00
but which is easier to sell...
anyhow rant over
I hate merch and I have to go print for batman...
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This has been an awesome thread to read from a fan point of view. All great perspectives. Thanks Guys.
For me, I will not pay $20 for a t-shirt. I max out at $15 probably. I for sure don't carry much loot with me to a show and fuck those assholes for
charging $30+ a shirt and fuck the fans for giving in to that price.
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I understand somewhat when its a huge arena band becuae like Mark said, they are probably getting paid out in advance and the merch is handled by
someone else. If that is how DKM work then I admire them for having $12 shirts. Actually I admire then having $12 shirts either way because they are
big enough that they could charge more and lets be honest, 1/2 the people that buy a DKM shirt at a show are shitfaced and would spend $50 on it.
I know that the big bands have to pay the arena a percentage, they have to pay the income tax and a lot of other things, but any band on a 'punk'
level doesnt deal with that stuff. There is NO way I would pay $20 for a Street Dogs shirt and I would be apalled if I was at a show and they were
selling them for that much.
Okay... now all that being said, I DID buy a Bosstones shirt. I got one of the Hometown Throwdown shirts and I did pay $20 for it. If I really want a
shirt I will pay $20, but thats only because I go to shows/concerts very infrequently. If I went often then I couldnt afoard that. Plus I didnt pay to
get in the show so that helped too.
Lastly, I thought it was VERY cool that Kevin the trumpet player for the Bosstones bought a Slapshot shirt. He didnt say who he was or ask for
anything free or even mention to anyone in the band that he wanted one. He just came to the merch table and bought it. I respect that a lot!
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HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
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This is a fun thread. 
I did pay $30 for a work shirt with embroidery one side and screen on the back. Or should I say, my girlfriend bought it for me. It is pretty sweet,
but It's a button up, and high quality. It'd cost that much at the Garment District out here anyway.
I do justify spending more when it's more than a t-shirt.
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Ok. Here's another question for everyone..... what do you look for in a shirt? If you are going to see a band you like for the first time will you
just buy one because it's a band you like or does it need to look a certain way etc?
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I understand somewhat when its a huge arena band becuae like Mark said, they are probably getting paid out in advance and the merch is handled by
someone else. If that is how DKM work then I admire them for having $12 shirts. Actually I admire then having $12 shirts either way because they are
big enough that they could charge more and lets be honest, 1/2 the people that buy a DKM shirt at a show are shitfaced and would spend $50 on it.
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The thing with the $12 shirts was in 1999 so I have no idea what they charge now. But DKM are the yard stick by which I measure integrity in this
business so I'm sure their prices are set at what they have to be to make ends meet.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mark Lind
Ok. Here's another question for everyone..... what do you look for in a shirt? If you are going to see a band you like for the first time will you
just buy one because it's a band you like or does it need to look a certain way etc?
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Yeah, it has to look a certain way. If I don't see any with a design I like, I won't buy. I also want the name of the band on the front.
I also like shirts made for certain songs, but only if I already own the CD and actually like the song.
and I think the dropkick shirts were $20 last time I saw them. I only own one shirt from them and probably paid $10 for it 100 years ago. I also have
a windbreaker that I think I only paid $20-25 for. I'm super cheep, always have been.
I've only worn the windbreaker once or twice, could probably get good money for it, but wouldn't sell it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mark Lind
Ok. Here's another question for everyone..... what do you look for in a shirt? If you are going to see a band you like for the first time will you
just buy one because it's a band you like or does it need to look a certain way etc?
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For me, I have to like the design on the shirt. There are bands I like that I don't own merch from because they didn't have anything I liked. I like
the bands name on the front, and a cool design. I also prefer shirts with a back print of some kind, even if it's just the band's label's name.
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