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newbreedbrian
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wonderin...
about religion. do you believe in god? why or why not? were you raised religious, if so what religion? has anyone "found" or "lost" faith and what age
were you when it happened?
The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, ?You know, I want to set those people over there on
fire, but I?m just not close enough to get the job done.? George Carlin
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nah
all voodoo to me
you come at the king....you best not miss
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clevohardcore
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grandparents both sides are Catholic. My parents never went to church much and are divorced. so I never really had much religious influence. I believe
in God. Denomination??? I am baptisted Catholic. My wife before we got married was baptised Non- denominational. I have thought of going to church. I
have not commited yet though.
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I don't belive in God or any of that kinda shit. I hate all religions and would like to see them all destroyed. I was taken to church as a young lad
but my mom stopped because apparently I was calling it bullshit at 5 years old. I didn't believe in it. Religion has caused more wars than anything
else. Religion is the cause of more pain, suffering, and death than any disease or famine. I have always believed that religions that speak of an
afterlife were invented because people are afraid to die, and needed to believe that their life meant more. Me personally, I think you die and you
rot, that's it. No soul, no heaven or hell, none of that shit.
‘Do you know what a love letter is? It’s a bullet from a fucking gun. Straight through your heart.’
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i believe in it. i think you have to show a little respect to other people's beliefs, Discipline. I don't wanna get too much into it because it's
not worth arguing with you over it because I've had this conversation with people like you before. Anyways, I was brought up Catholic. I had a
period of 2 or 3 years where I lost my faith but met a person who could talk to me intelligently and bring in religion with out seeming preachy. I
consider myself a Chrsitain but don't specify a certain part of it. I guess a reason I am religious is that I was brought up that way. But...I did
stop believing and then chose to believe so I feel that I made my own decision there. I can't really explain why I believe. That's kind of hard to
do. I just have reasons for believing now.
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baptised roman catholic, my grandmother was wise with the force, but after she died when I was 7, we didn't have anything to do with religion
anymore....
didn't effect me at all...
over the years I have looked into different mythos, and to me that's all they are, you can believe what you like, but I put my faith into myself, and
my ability to do they things I need to.
There is no god, no easter bunny, no tooth fairy and no santa.
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Ive never really believed in God. I certainly can't be sure that there is or isnt a God, but overall it just doesnt matter to me. Im ok with not
knowing for sure how it all began or why we're here.
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clevohardcore
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Lets be honest here. No one here is for certain God exists in our form. However FAITH is what gives people the power to believe. Faith is personal and
you can't fuck with someones personal convictions. Just like you amy choose not to believe someone else has chosen to see. Either way its what makes a
person who they are.
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I definitely believe in God. There is a specific name for what I belive but I forget it. Basically in my opinion, there is a God, and God did do alot
of what the Bible says. Heres the twist, I belive we have become intelligent enough through science to understand HOW God does the things God does.
The two always conflict, but I belive they coexsist. I do not attend any church nor claim any denomination, I was baptised Lutheran but do not like
the politics and corruption within organized religion. I distrust humans with the kind of power the church has. We as a species are incapable of
weilding that much power without corrupting it in some way. The teachings of Jesus Christ are the answer to a peaceful life, whether you belive in him
or not, his message is undeniable. It is basic appreciation and respect for others. Now the Old Testament with it's eye for an eye and retribution
brought by pissed Angels has it's own purpose as well
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I'm not religious or spiritual.
I won't knock others for their faith.
But some go too far with it. They push it on others as absolute truth/ or total fact. It is called faith for a reason. Nothing has ever been proven to
me,
I was raised in a catholic household. My mom still goes to church, but i have not practiced the religion since i was a kid.
Most religions based on Christ, have the same theory, some are just more strit or fanatical.
I look at this way, if there is a here after, regardless of ones beleifs, i feel they will be granted entry to the promised land if they live their
life as good honest people and do well by their fellow man and not cheat, hurt or harm others.
but religion just isn't for me. any of it.
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I was raised Catholic and I am non practicing. The catholic church did nothing for us kids in an effort to get us invovled. It was always, "Go to
church! God and your parents say so!". I went to a Christian Sports Bible camp for several years with the Presbyterian kids in my neighborhood (aka
the public school kids) and it was awesome. They all made being Christian exciting. I consider myself Christian (it is actually my first name too).
I pray more and more as I get older. I pray more and more now that I'm a parent. I do beleive I'm going to heaven as well.
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But some go too far with it. They push it on others as absolute truth/ or total fact.
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I could'nt agree with this more
Religious zealots are some of the most judgemental people I have come across. It's their way or the highway............to hell. Seems rather
"unChristianly" to me.....how about you? They usually end up being the biggest hypocrits and major pains in the ass.
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my favorites are the former derelict druggies who use jesus as a crutch not that they are clean and view everyone else who is different as immoral
i work with a woman who used every filthy drug in circulation, but now since jesus saved her you cant even swear in her presence for she will be
offended..funny thing is she used to turn tricks for a bag of blow...
if you're born right the first time, you don't have to be born again.
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I usually avoid any conversation about religion. It's just uncomfortable because lots of people are shocked when you say that religion isnt important
to you or you dont believe in god. My old boss was very religious and she asked me if I was getting married in a church. I said no, and that started
a lecture on how religion and the church is important. I just let it go in one ear and out the other, and also learned to avoid that topic with her.
This isnt directly related, but I went to a meeting earlier this week and was introduced to a lady there. She greeted me with "Good morning. Jesus
loves you" I just said "thanks. Nice to meet you". It was totally awkward. Really... what is the proper response to something like that? Luckily
she didnt speak much English so I didnt have to talk to her.
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it is not even proper to introduce oneself in that manner, especially in yoe work place.
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I follow the path of gnosis, personally. (thats really funny if you know anything about gnostic thought)
Well, its this place where nobody works, and the pigs don\'t give you any shit. Everyone smokes weed and gets drunk all day. Its a place where
cunts like me and you can truly take it easy and relax. Know what I mean?
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newbreedbrian
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interesting responses. obviously there are judgemental people on both sides of the coin, it's human nature. for those with faith, what do you think
about evolution? has it made your faith waiver at all? can the two co-exist, or is it one or the other?
The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, ?You know, I want to set those people over there on
fire, but I?m just not close enough to get the job done.? George Carlin
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perhaps evolution was the product of intelligent design......
shit some people around me never evolved...
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I see a HUGE difference between someone feeling they have a personal relationship with whatever they believe in and organized religion. Organized
religion is one of the worst things to ever happen to the world, in my opinion. I try not to get into religious discussions with friends and family
because it's sure to press people's buttons no matter where they stand on it. I was raised methodist and decided on my own that the church was full of
shit and hypocritical. They talked constantly about acceptance and not judging others, and yet they were the most closed off and judgemental people
ever. That's aside from issues of faith, I've always been too logic driven to ever go in for the "just believe" mentality. I can appreciate that there
is a lesson buried within religion about trying to do right and treat others correctly, but that's the one part of religion that most religious people
seem to throw away.
Veritas odium parit
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third generation atheist/agnostic here. things always made sense without religion and i could understand why other people did believe, so i never felt
a real need for it. but if i had been raised a muslim i'd probably still be a muslim today, that's how it works.
i think science and religion can coexist as long as you interpret some parts of holy scriptures like the bible/koran etc. as metaphors instead of
facts.
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| Quote: | | Religion is the cause of more pain, suffering, and death than any disease or famine. |
that just cant be true. the plagues in europe during the middle-ages caused the death of approximately one third of the european population.
when the spanish conquistadores came to south america, guns or religion wasnt the most common cause of death, it was the bacterias the spaniards
brought.
also, the biggest wars didnt have much to do with religion
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I should add one thing to my thoughts from above and that if you believe in this stuff, than that's cool. I used to try to convince people I was
right when I was younger, but now I'm of the "to each their own" school of thought. I look at religion the same way I look at things like straight
edge, don't force yer way of life on me, and I won't force mine on you.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by serenity
| Quote: | | Religion is the cause of more pain, suffering, and death than any disease or famine. |
that just cant be true. the plagues in europe during the middle-ages caused the death of approximately one third of the european population.
when the spanish conquistadores came to south america, guns or religion wasnt the most common cause of death, it was the bacterias the spaniards
brought.
also, the biggest wars didnt have much to do with religion |
Not much of a fan of history, are you?
Starting from the bottom and going up....
Aside from some modern wars, and some of those are debatable, almost ALL wars throughout history have been religious wars.
The conquistadors came to the Americas to conquer and convert. Sounds religious to me.
Over the whole of history, religion has caused a whole lot more pain, suffering, and death than one third of Europe's population at that one point in
time. Maybe not all at once, as you're suggesting, but in total.
And yes, I'm simplifying, but certainly not distorting what happened.
Veritas odium parit
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tireironsaint
| Quote: | Originally posted by serenity
| Quote: | | Religion is the cause of more pain, suffering, and death than any disease or famine. |
that just cant be true. the plagues in europe during the middle-ages caused the death of approximately one third of the european population.
when the spanish conquistadores came to south america, guns or religion wasnt the most common cause of death, it was the bacterias the spaniards
brought.
also, the biggest wars didnt have much to do with religion |
Not much of a fan of history, are you?
Starting from the bottom and going up....
Aside from some modern wars, and some of those are debatable, almost ALL wars throughout history have been religious wars.
The conquistadors came to the Americas to conquer and convert. Sounds religious to me.
Over the whole of history, religion has caused a whole lot more pain, suffering, and death than one third of Europe's population at that one point in
time. Maybe not all at once, as you're suggesting, but in total.
And yes, I'm simplifying, but certainly not distorting what happened. |
im a big fan of history actually, and most wars is about increase the land and economic wealth, not religion. the conquistadores came for the gold,
not to convert.
i just took the plague as an example of a disease that killed many more than religion.
i dont think religion has killed more people than disease and non-religious wars, and even if it has, i dont care. my sorrow wont bring them back
anyway
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| Quote: | Originally posted by serenity
| Quote: | Originally posted by tireironsaint
| Quote: | Originally posted by serenity
| Quote: | | Religion is the cause of more pain, suffering, and death than any disease or famine. |
that just cant be true. the plagues in europe during the middle-ages caused the death of approximately one third of the european population.
when the spanish conquistadores came to south america, guns or religion wasnt the most common cause of death, it was the bacterias the spaniards
brought.
also, the biggest wars didnt have much to do with religion |
Not much of a fan of history, are you?
Starting from the bottom and going up....
Aside from some modern wars, and some of those are debatable, almost ALL wars throughout history have been religious wars.
The conquistadors came to the Americas to conquer and convert. Sounds religious to me.
Over the whole of history, religion has caused a whole lot more pain, suffering, and death than one third of Europe's population at that one point in
time. Maybe not all at once, as you're suggesting, but in total.
And yes, I'm simplifying, but certainly not distorting what happened. |
im a big fan of history actually, and most wars is about increase the land and economic wealth, not religion. the conquistadores came for the gold,
not to convert.
i just took the plague as an example of a disease that killed many more than religion.
i dont think religion has killed more people than disease and non-religious wars, and even if it has, i dont care. my sorrow wont bring them back
anyway |
Well, from my perspective it appears that your appreciation of history is skewed. Granted, wars are
fought for economic reasons as well as a number of other things, but in general, who has been behind them? How many wars throughout time have been
fought on completely nonreligious terms? Why was The Church the entity to go to when people wanted to gain support for their war?
Glad you agree on the plague thing being misleading.
Wow, one of my most favorite arguments ever. "I disagree, but if I'm wrong, I don't care." You sure told me.
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