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Voodoobillyman
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Mood: my daughters beautiful curiousity
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Wow, I dont know if I want to chime in on this one or not, definitely a tough subject and good points on both sides. I am dead set against the
government making choices for me. I also lean on the anti abortion side of things, and partial birth abortion is just fucking obscene, there is no way
that should be legal whatsoever. I think the point made about Religion being a factor in legislation was a good one............that is very dangerous
and treads closely with those our country is at war with, it would definitely make us hypocrites if we began to create and enforce policies based on
the powers that be Religious beliefs. I truly believe we are headed on a path of self destruction and this issue is just one small sliver of it all.
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defstarsteve
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you are missing the point of part 2
the fetus can make no choice as it is not alive.... but a part of the mother
no different then a tapeworm...
if the gestation period for a child was 8 weeks and could live without the womb, your argument would be valid...
but there is a reason that full term is 10 months
becasue it can not be alive outside of the womb before that time, without a doctors care, but that is a choice that has to be made as well,
lets take this shit midevil
if a mother only carried a child to a 6 month term before incubators, would that child have lived?
no, natural selection...
now it's modern times and a premature child can be saved... but it is up to the parents and doctors to make that decision, not the new born... there
is a medical reason that it left the womb early, it did not make up it's mind and say ya know it's cramped in here I need to take a walk... if it did
it would die.
so apply that logic to abortion, it can not live without the mother... not live
not alive...
no soul, no conscience, nothing that isn't being supplied directly from the mother...
it is the mother that is alive and she and her parnter have the right to choose for themselves what kind of life tey wish to lead as wel las thier
offspring...
no one should be forced to live with a mistake of that magnitude...
dude once you have kids, you will see not only how amazing they are, but how hard it is,
if you want to bring down abortions in this country, make condoms and birth control and sex ed available...
I hate to use their own argument against them but here it goes....
this is used by the gun control haters (most of them being religious conservatives)
the gun control haters all preach gun saftey thru education, every child should be taught how to properly use a weapon so that no mistake can be made,
and they wont accidentally shoot little timmy with dads loaded gun under the pillow... they will elarn to respect the damage that can be done by one
same logic... so why not teach pre-teens about the changes their hormones are going thru, so they don't make a life changing mistake....
but sex is bad unless you are making more little babies to worship god... and pay money to the church...
i'm not saying free porn to 5 year olds, but to make it tough for teenagers to get condoms or the pill is just a fucking joke especailly if you are
going to give them no other alternatives as well....
this world is indeed fucked as long as we let any religion have any control over government
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DaveMoral
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I tend to agree with XnMeX... I guess this particular case doesn't bother me at all... then again, I'm a guy and my wife agrees with me. I still hate
the right wing though. So I do tend to think anything that further consolidates their stranglehold on the country/world is a bad thing... just because
I don't doubt that if they can manipulate shit far enough in their favor and stage enough "terror attacks" they'll be putting Muslim asses in camps
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I tend to think that people like you and XnMeX should mind their on biz. and not try and make life decesions for people that they have never met. I'll
make my own mistakes and or life choices and you make yours. Never been involved in an abortion, have known people that had them and as far as I can
see it was none of your biz then nor is it now.
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You must be fucking kidding me? I'm not an activist, I have my views and beliefs and I tend to keep them to myself, I'm not forcing anything on
anybody. I think you should keep your opinions to yourself, because you just sound like an ass when you're basically accusing me of trying to make
people's decisions for them... while no where in my response was there anything remotely indicating that I'm trying to do that.
I personally feel that abortion is wrong. End of story.
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XnMeX
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We all know this could go on and on and on. I think some points made are just blind and ignorant, that is my opinion. The non living thing argument
by steve is just stupid but I am not gonna get furthur into it. We have all said our opinions, and it would just keep going and going and going. I
don't see how someone with kids can be for abortion knowing that the kid they have now could have been a decision away. fetus, becomes a baby,
becomes a child. How can you fight that?
And yes, they do need to have MORE sex ed and MORE protection availible. It is funny how the same religious end that is agruing against abortions, is
the same end arguing against prevetative steps (condoms in school, more sex ed, pill availibility, etc...)
I think birth control pills should be over the counter. People would be able to missuse them possibly (not sure what could happen from them), but I
think it would serve a greater good.
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