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When did hardcore go wrong?
In your opinion, when exactly did hardcore go wrong or begin to die? or is there anything wrong with it? Was it a specific band or person, type of
sound or a particular year? I am sure everyone here has an opinion on this one. My opinion is the early nineties when metal began to creep into it and
the thug yo yo stuff became predominant. This whole fashion, girly pant wearin shit is just one more nail in the coffin. But for some it's just the
beginning of what they have heard called hardcore and they love it. it's all in the eye of the beholder I guess.
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krishna shit
"metalcore"
thats what killed it for me
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBadVibes
krishna shit
"metalcore"
thats what killed it for me |
That, plus the thug shit.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Discipline
| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBadVibes
krishna shit
"metalcore"
thats what killed it for me |
That, plus the thug shit. |
i kinda lump that all in with the metal core stuff but yeah
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Voodoobillyman
In your opinion, when exactly did hardcore go wrong or begin to die? or is there anything wrong with it? Was it a specific band or person, type of
sound or a particular year? I am sure everyone here has an opinion on this one. My opinion is the early nineties when metal began to creep into it and
the thug yo yo stuff became predominant. This whole fashion, girly pant wearin shit is just one more nail in the coffin. But for some it's just the
beginning of what they have heard called hardcore and they love it. it's all in the eye of the beholder I guess. |
I agree completly with that statement. I hate that Atreau is 'hardcore' now, but I dont know if I know what hardcore actually is now? I mean to me
DYS, SLAPSHOT, UNIFORM CHOICE, INSTED, YOUTH OF TODAY, NEGATIVE FX, GORILLA BISCUITS, MURPHYS LAW, AGNOSTIC FRONT, JUDGE... those were/are hardcore
bands. Now they dont all sound the same so that means that Hardcore was just as much attitude as it was sound.
There are LOTS of people that consider EARTH CRISIS to be the apitamy of hardcore and to me they are a metal band.
Probably the majority of people consider MADBALL to be one of THEE Ultimate Hardcore bands and to me they are heavily metal influenced.
It is all a matter of opinion and its very hard to say that Hardcore is a SOUND rather than a mindset or something because most would not argue that
the GORILLA BISCUITS are a hardcore band and SSD is a hardcore band, but they sound nothing a like.
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HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
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YOU,HONUS,IS WHAT MAKES THE "EDGE" COOL.
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Question:
When people use the term THUG CORE what bands come to mind? for me its SKARHEAD, CROWN OF THORNZ, MADBALL....
| Quote: | Originally posted by REV.PAULIE
HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
RULE!
YOU,HONUS,IS WHAT MAKES THE "EDGE" COOL.
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negative approach
early agnostic front
the freeze
jerrys kids
black flag
negative fx
and so on....
that to me is hardcore
after that stuff, i dont know what happened
too much outside influence from other types of music maybe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBadVibes
negative approach
early agnostic front
the freeze
jerrys kids
black flag
negative fx
and so on....
that to me is hardcore
after that stuff, i dont know what happened
too much outside influence from other types of music maybe |
haha I dont mean to be dominating this thread, but I agree with that also. Its weird though because I would say that LATER Black Flag was more
'hardcore' and the earlier stuff was more 'punk'
| Quote: | Originally posted by REV.PAULIE
HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
RULE!
YOU,HONUS,IS WHAT MAKES THE "EDGE" COOL.
YOUR FRIEND,
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I don't really care anymore.
sorry.
when something good comes out, i get it.
when something good comes around, maybe ill go
other than that, theres always been so much crap about "hardcore" that i didnt like.
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Man, I'm not really much of a Historian on this subject. I never really got into this stuff until 1997. I had gone to a lot of shows prior to that
but never really paid attention.
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While there are a lot of bad bands out there calling themselves hardcore, there's just as many that play traditional straight up hardcore. If some
shitty eyeliner wearing metal bad that has videos on MTV wants to call themselves hardcore, don't worry about it. It doesn't bother me anymore. I
know what harcore is and that's all that matters.
If you want to check out an awesome hardcore band from 2006, find a record by DIRECT CONTROL. Straight up 1983 "Reagan Era" style band. Hell, they
even have a song called Ronnies Dead. Another great band is DEAD STOP from Belgium. They actually just played their last show the other day, but
they left behind 2 Lps and a 7". They sound like Victim in Pain era AF with a little NA/Antidote/CroMags thrown in.
If you want Black Flag, check out ANNIHILATION TIME from Cali.
And for my personal favorite, THE FIRST STEP. If you like 88 style posicore, these guys are THE best.
I think hardcore is far from dead, you just need to weed through all the crap that's out there.
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Metal and thug shit was the best thing that ever happened to hardcore. Just my opinion and ya I know most on this site don't agree, but I really don't
care.
hardcore was the same old sounding bullshit for as long as I can remember before the metal and hip hop influence came around. I like the old bands and
have a lot of respect for what they started, but shit pull your fucking head out of the past and understand that all things change.
AF, Leeway, Judge, SOD all total metal bands when they started out, so don't give me any bullshit about how metal killed hardcore.
MM.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by metal mulisha
Metal and thug shit was the best thing that ever happened to hardcore. Just my opinion and ya I know most on this site don't agree, but I really don't
care.
hardcore was the same old sounding bullshit for as long as I can remember before the metal and hip hop influence came around. I like the old bands and
have a lot of respect for what they started, but shit pull your fucking head out of the past and understand that all things change.
AF, Leeway, Judge, SOD all total metal bands when they started out, so don't give me any bullshit about how metal killed hardcore.
MM. |
can you ever make a fucking point without coming off like a total douchebag tough guy?
its fucking boring man
i respect everyones opinion but can ya state it without the bullshit for once?
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nope.
MM.
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yeah
i didnt think so
you do such a good job coming off like a total tool why would you stop?
good job scrappy
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hardcore got safe,
it lost it's edge for sure
used to be you didn't know if you were gonna get jumped by skins or by cops at every show...
another major problem is hardcore kids today act like this is some exclusive club
but we used to be inclusive of everyone... you had freaks that looked like devo next to kids in boots and braces
so what if some fag dresses like robert smith
he came to the show, bought merch and danced along
he'll either grow out of it or stick it out but it's not reason to beat him down cause he dresses like a fruit...
we used to have bands like bad brains and the big boys
how many bands are that daring anymore
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I always thought the term hardcore, was meant for a more serious aggresive form of punk rock really. You know hardcore punk. I find alot of bands that
people on here dig had a taste of metal to them Sheer Terror being one of the big ones I can think of. I still consider them hardcore though. I also
agree with Steve, it wasnt about secularitan (sp?) motives, it was baout a thing everyone had that basically had nothing else and like all good things
was destined for exploitation by marketing and hype. The stuff MM digs is totally not what I would call hardcore, but alot of people do call it that,
it's metal, no ifs ands or buts about it in my head. I am also very unimpressed with some of the older salts goin along with the trends, I am all
about growth and change, but do it uniquely, dont rehash the same shit over and over. if anything I hear more cookie cutter crap coming from the
metalcore crowd than anyone and especially the thug shit, it's all the same yo yo shit from the same yo yo's.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Gooch
While there are a lot of bad bands out there calling themselves hardcore, there's just as many that play traditional straight up hardcore. If some
shitty eyeliner wearing metal bad that has videos on MTV wants to call themselves hardcore, don't worry about it. It doesn't bother me anymore. I
know what harcore is and that's all that matters.
If you want to check out an awesome hardcore band from 2006, find a record by DIRECT CONTROL. Straight up 1983 "Reagan Era" style band. Hell, they
even have a song called Ronnies Dead. Another great band is DEAD STOP from Belgium. They actually just played their last show the other day, but
they left behind 2 Lps and a 7". They sound like Victim in Pain era AF with a little NA/Antidote/CroMags thrown in.
If you want Black Flag, check out ANNIHILATION TIME from Cali.
And for my personal favorite, THE FIRST STEP. If you like 88 style posicore, these guys are THE best.
I think hardcore is far from dead, you just need to weed through all the crap that's out there. |
I also have hope, because of bands like the ones you mentioned and a few others still doin some good stuff. Sometimes sticking to the roots of a
particular music is the right thing to do, and we all know the "retro" thing is in big now so why wouldnt retrocore (i just made it up, and I like it)
become huge with the next generation of hardcore lovin people. Hardcore is definitely not dead, but the shit is on life support in the ICU of music.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by defstarsteve
hardcore got safe,
it lost it's edge for sure
used to be you didn't know if you were gonna get jumped by skins or by cops at every show...
another major problem is hardcore kids today act like this is some exclusive club
but we used to be inclusive of everyone... you had freaks that looked like devo next to kids in boots and braces
so what if some fag dresses like robert smith
he came to the show, bought merch and danced along
he'll either grow out of it or stick it out but it's not reason to beat him down cause he dresses like a fruit...
we used to have bands like bad brains and the big boys
how many bands are that daring anymore |
good post..the good old days.punks,skins,and your local freaks.the
days of when hardcore was punk,and punk was hardcore.....
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"Hardcore Punk (or Hardcore) is a faster, heavier version of Punk Rock, characterized by short, loud, and often passionate songs."
Has anyone read American Hardcore: A Tribal History? This topic reminded me of that book. Need to get a copy of it sometime soon.
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I don't know that hardcore has ever gone wrong... there always have been, and likely always will be, shitty trends that crop up from time to time.
Fuck it, sometimes sound doesn't mean anything to me anymore. Though I'm more discerning in what I would call "hardcore" anymore. Though I don't
relegate all bands that are "hardcore" to the limits of how it was in the 80s. I think Madball is without a doubt hardcore, even though there's plenty
of metal influence in there. Earth Crisis too. They're musically a metal band for sure, but the attitude is hardcore for sure.
As far as some of that throw back shit... the Philly area seems to be croppin' up alot of shit like that lately. Some of the younger kids(teens and
early 20s) are doing bands like Lighten Up, Drawing Dead and this dude that's helping me do an Oi/hardcore project plays drums in a DRI type band.
What's good is good, and fuck the rest of the shit. I've a major problem with the eyeliner and girl pants kids... simply because the supposedly
"hardcore" bands they follow are the douchebags out to make a buck on the shit that the rest of us have put our blood and sweat into... from some of
yous that have been around since the hey day, to those of us that came in when vegan straight edge was the dominant force. That shit pisses me off to
no end.
The major problem I ended up having with hardcore, and the reason I didn't pay attention or go to shows for a couple years at the turn of the century,
was due to douchebag kids from every walk. Shit talkers, naysayers, backstabbers... all those kids need to pack it up and move on, we don't need their
kind.
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A few of the old hardcore bands from southern california are still playing. Mostly from the nardcore scene, the skatepark shows are a blast. There
was a really good show a while back with Dr.know and mike v and the rats, Vallely kicks ass! Unfortunately they seem to be less frequent, its either
been street punx or screamy crunch hipster metal shows lately.
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the bands within the book American Hardcore are honestly what I would consider to be the true meaning of it. It really was a different time period,
and it was a hell of alot less accepted then it is currently. It was allot more dangerous in them days to be a "hardcore person". Most of the events
in that book however were from before my time being I am 31 and much of it took place in the time that I was between 7-12. The bands that contributed
to it back in 80-87 paved the way and made it a whole lot easier for the Terrors and whatevers of today. Yeah theres a lot of good bands putting out
good music, but generally theres a different vibe at shows. There is no feeling of solidarity or whatever unity crap is preached by half of the bands.
At least Im not feeling it . Christ I read on here about some retards from FSU and AC beating the piss out of each other at what sounded like a prety
small venue here in Philly a few weeks ago. That shit right there is enough to make me want to steer clear of the shit, even though I dig them bands
allot.
Oh and by the way, the reason I dig the Bad Vibes so much isnt because Geoff posts on here, or they're from Philly, it is because the music they make
is true to the original element from which all this came from. No tuff guy crap, no cliches, no fashion. Just agrressive angry honest stuff. Now lets
see a show again soon. I need somethin to do...
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We could have the exact same thread about punk, or ska, or reggae, or country.......but not about Oi!.....Oi!Oi!Oi!Oi!
Well, its this place where nobody works, and the pigs don\'t give you any shit. Everyone smokes weed and gets drunk all day. Its a place where
cunts like me and you can truly take it easy and relax. Know what I mean?
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when the gang mentality came into it it was tarnished as well. All this three letter crew shit has GOT to go. I understand the meaning and passion
behind it but dont hype it to suburban kids who are going to misinterpret and turn it into a joke by reenacting what they heard or saw from their
latest favorite band...........until their new favorite band comes along.
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