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barc0debaby
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Voodoobillyman
dont hype it to suburban kids who are going to misinterpret and turn it into a joke by reenacting what they heard or saw from their latest favorite
band...........until their new favorite band comes along. |
I moved from a hillbilly buttfuck mountain
town to a suburb a few years back. The trend following is god awful, I've seen kids go from malt liqour and mowhawks to bandanas and flock of
seagull haircuts in a matter of months. There are still a handful of kids though who know who bands like Goverment Issue and L.A's Wasted Youth are.
Its by no means a scene of any sort, but it those kids are keeping the spirit alive. For every thousand kids with matching hatebreed shirts and
engineer hats there are people like mr.badvibes, honus, voodoobilly, other people on the board, and plenty of bands and individuals that keep the
heart of the hardcore movement still going. Shit has changed alot, but I think its incorrect to say that hardcore went wrong or died. True hardcore
is still the same as it was back then, unliked but the majority. As for the comment about pulling your head out of the past and things changing, where
do you think alot of these modern bands such as hatebreed and those involved in the thugcore movement will be down the road? Certainly not playing an
all ages venue for ten bucks 15 years after they released their first record that they recorded and distrubed themselves....now thats fucking
hardcore!!
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DaveMoral
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| Quote: | Originally posted by barc0debaby
where do you think alot of these modern bands such as hatebreed and those involved in the thugcore movement will be down the road? Certainly not
playing an all ages venue for ten bucks 15 years after they released their first record that they recorded and distrubed themselves....now
thats fucking hardcore!! |
I'll say this... Hatebreed, supposedly, will be touring small all-ages venues... probably for 10 bucks, as I doubt their draw is nearly that as when
they tour with Slayer, on their now 10 year anniversary since Jamey released their first record on his record label...
I think the same can be said for Madball from it's inception when Freddy was a baby(Ball of Destruction era) to now.
These bands DO have longevity, and I honestly do believe that these guys carry the spirit of hardcore. Madball has turned away from the thuggin' shit
of late.
On a similar note... I think straight edge has gone wrong when fuck-wits like the dude over at www.sxe.com can say the shit he does. Frankly, I think it's shit that dudes say you HAVE to be into hardcore in order to be straight edge. A
supposedly positive "movement" turned into an elitist club for morons who will just be dropping out of hardcore when they "grow up." Fags.
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I think people get focussed on a "label" vs. the "Spirit". Honestly why the fuck do we care? Why is it "mine" or "yours". It is music to me. Not a
way of life. To some it is a way of life and that is great. One of the great things about our society is that we have choices and we can interpret
things how we choose. That leads us to different views within a "Scene".
Fuck Labels and lets embrace differences and become "tolerant". If societies, scenes and cultures were more tolerant the world would be a better
place.
Why the fuck would I care if a band is "Metal" or "Old Skool" or "hardcore" or "Straight edge" or "Gay"? If it moves me, I listen to it and I support
that band.
If I can fit it in, I'll go to the show. If I remember, I'll buy the album when it is released.
I'm tired of argumanets and I like what I like. I don't care what anyone posts. If it sounds good, then I'll support it and be moved by it.
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Voodoobillyman
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Boycott Christian HC
| Quote: | Originally posted by Voodoobillyman
Was it a specific band or person, type of sound or a particular year? |
Yes, it was the American Nightmare/Give Up The Ghost type of sound. |
Thats pretty direct and to the point. WOW
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i think the whole infusion of metal and hardcore kind of ruined it. i know bands grow and change sound, other wise it would get boring for both fans
and the band, so i have no problem with bands incorporating some metal moments into their sound. i think the whole "new" hardcore scene where it's
basically metal bands who call themselves hardcore that have ruined it. i also think the whole thug act/dress code shit has ruined it, as it's ruined
punk at times. like someone said, if you go to a show, dance, buy merch, have a good time, who cares what you dress like. it's not a fucking club.
it's music for the people and the word "people" means everyone, just not those who wear the "uniform." but this shit happens in a lot of scenes. i
think there are still bands out there that keep hardcore alive. it's just that a trend becomes popular and that's what people concentrate on. just
like the whole mall punk trend. let hardcore be hardcore and these trends will eventually die. stop making it a club (not saying people here are, i
mean in general) and just let people go and enjoy the music. also...i think a lot of it has to do with respect. don't go to a show looking to be an
asshole and start shit. if shit gets started, deal with it, but don't go looking for it. and that's my rant.
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One thing I hate that I always think of when topics like this come up is this...
Why is it that there are so many people that are into the Hip Hop/Thug Core stuff, but they are the same people that will bash the metal/rock/hip hop?
Why has "Crossover" become such a bad word when the first think I think of when someone says it is D.R.I.!
Even the song Crossover Sucks isnt really about what it apears to be. Lyrically it bashes, Kid rock & Limp Bizkit plus some bands that are not even
'crossover' like Godsmack (all though they are AWFUL!) But the truth is the song was inspired by experiences on a Euro tour called Crossover 2000
| Quote: | Originally posted by REV.PAULIE
HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
RULE!
YOU,HONUS,IS WHAT MAKES THE "EDGE" COOL.
YOUR FRIEND,
PAULIE |
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clevohardcore
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When HAZEN ST was released.
or the Good Charlotte DMS thing
Each aspect of the soul has it's own part to play, but the ideal is harmonious agreement with reason and control.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by clevohardcore
When HAZEN ST was released.
or the Good Charlotte DMS thing |
Good call. When I started seeing DMS shirts on MTV or in major main stream magazines I thought that kind of made it a bit of a joke. Oh well.. .what
the hell do I know?!
| Quote: | Originally posted by REV.PAULIE
HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
RULE!
YOU,HONUS,IS WHAT MAKES THE "EDGE" COOL.
YOUR FRIEND,
PAULIE |
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I always thought the whole DMS thing was stupid anyway, crime is a very personal thing....if you know what I mean.
Well, its this place where nobody works, and the pigs don\'t give you any shit. Everyone smokes weed and gets drunk all day. Its a place where
cunts like me and you can truly take it easy and relax. Know what I mean?
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The one thing that some people miss is that while some of the old bands like AF, Cro-Mags, Sheer Terror, etc. had a metal influence in some of their
stuff, they weren't metal bands. A lot of the "metalcore" bands just sound like metal bands without the solo's. There is big difference between
having a metal influence and just sounding like a shitty metal band that can't play.
‘Do you know what a love letter is? It’s a bullet from a fucking gun. Straight through your heart.’
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The main issue I think for older people like us old fucks is this, We grew up listening to this music that was self dubbed hardcore. it wasnt a
household name and you couldnt go to the mall and buy the t-shirt. It was something for people who werent into the mainstream culture and questioned
things around them. it wasnt about how you look or what "crew" you were "down" with. It wasnt about going to shows to purposely project power through
fear and intimidation. It was a fucked up style of music for fuck ups. That has all changed and is not the case anymore, Moral said hatebreed was
planning on touring small all ages venues soon and only charging 10 bucks to gety in................that is ridiculous and will cause more problems
than is worth the move to prove they are still true to their roots (whatever thats worth) What you will get from that is all kinds of meatheads going
to small clubs that they wouldnt have gone to other wise and trying to act a fool. hatebreed is a concert hall band now and they need to stick to it.
if they dont like the fact that they have become that big, they shouldnt have marketed themselves so much. I know this is a rehashed subject, many
times over in fact, but it is also a touchy subject with alot of folks here who have been around for awhile.
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Voodoobillyman
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| Quote: | Originally posted by XHonusWagnerX
| Quote: | Originally posted by clevohardcore
When HAZEN ST was released.
or the Good Charlotte DMS thing |
Good call. When I started seeing DMS shirts on MTV or in major main stream magazines I thought that kind of made it a bit of a joke. Oh well.. .what
the hell do I know?! |
marketing of your crew...........new for the 21st century
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All of the below contributed to hardcore jumping the shark. Sure there's still great music out there but most of it seems asstastic these days.
- Jamey Jasta on MTV
- Boston Beatdown
- Hellfest
- Fashion (girls clothes, studded belts, white belts, black hair, make up etc etc)
A lot of people ask me what kind of music I like. I love "soul music". My "soul music" isn’t a style, genre or niche. It’s music that is genuine. It’s
a painful lyric, a dirty bassline, it’s a harrowing vocal, it’s feedback, it’s an anthem, it’s a love song, it’s anarchy. I’ve got my personal
favourites but in the end it doesn’t matter who or where it comes from... so long as it’s good and it's real.
- Paul Morris, music director at 97.7 HTZ-FM
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