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Voodoobillyman
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people overseas are making the same decisions I would make.
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Until you actually pick up and do something about it, it's all political debate and speculation (which gets you nowhere right? Action=Reaction). If
you feel so strongly about it that you would make a statement like this, and I have seen your past statements based on the billing of an oil company
local to your region, stop telephone tough guying it (or internet in this case) and do something about it. According to this line I have quoted you
are ready to take up the "cause" Well aren't you angry enough at the "Zionists" in this country to do something about it? Or do you need to be there
with your brothers in arms? Haven't they OPPRESSED you enough here yet? Seriously dude......Seriously. Oh, and the Quaran is no better toilet paper
than the bible is, I would just as soon wipe my ass with both. Fuck Organized religion of ALL kinds. Virgins in heaven indeed, you all go to the same
fuckin place the rest of us do......the fuckin worms.
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Religion does have a serious case of the gay. All religions. None is any better or worse than the rest.
‘Do you know what a love letter is? It’s a bullet from a fucking gun. Straight through your heart.’
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I could contribute to this shit talk, but I'm not going to sink to your level Voodoo.
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opinions are like assholes Dave, we all got em, mine is just percieved to be lower than yours. The beauty of it all is, we can agree to disagree. I
love America!!!!!!!!!!
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Don't think that really has much to do with America, just true humanity.
Honestly, to look at history with the narrow viewpoint that religion is the problem is just plain blind. Religion has been used to inspire some of the
worst atrocities known to man, it has also been the inspiration behind the ideas of freedom and equality. Secular ideas have likewise been, in recent
history, inspiration for the worst atrocities known and have been inspiration for freedom and equality. Honestly, the problems of this world are due
entirely to the greed of individuals and the notions they've promoted in the world.
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| Quote: | | Oh, and the Quran is no better toilet paper than the bible is, I would just as soon wipe my ass with both. Fuck Organized religion of ALL kinds.
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This was just a really bad week I picked to post this, but let me say this that I know I'm going to get flack for: Mostly everyone in America thinks
that what is going on over there has to do with the Muslim/Jewish thing which it does not in reality. Let's look at these two countries for a second
moniterilly(sp?) wise (which if you have a brain and think, has EVERYTHING to do with how you fight or how a war is engaged.) If you are supported
by pretty much the whole of the free world, (And yes I mean the biggest baddest richest U of S-A) I'm sure you will have the best of whatever
armaments(sp?) that money could supply right? Including laser guided bombs (watch tv lately?), well armed/supplied troops etc. Now, say you are the
opposite country and have nothing to fight back with except that which you had lying around for 30 + years or whatever 30 + year old Russian arms are
smuggled to you from a few other supporting nations, how are you going to match that? You fight with and what you can right? If you only have a few
sticks of dynamite and in your heart beleive your country is under threat what do you do? I would be interested in reading the newspapers(if they
existed) from the 1760's-1780's Britan and see what Colonialists where described as. The word might not have existed back them but now on TV they
call it a Terrorist. I am truly not trying to take sides here because I think that the Muslim/Jewish/Christan argument is a joke. I'm trying to look
at it as subjetivly as I can and say hey look: 1. You have a country supplied with an unlimited amount of money/arms by the western world (if not the
rest) so who is the world GOING to be told who is right/wrong? 2. You have a country/people who truly believe they are being occupied by a foreign
nation, and unfortunatly the ones in power in this country have taken the reigns and forced their religon to be a major factor in this whole thing.
I'm trying to break shit down not from just what's on the news but from what I can also learn on my own. No war is fair obviously. People fight for
the wrong reasons all the time. But it can't be wrong if you truly believe in it...........????
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The religious argument is serious joke. The problem with the majority of countries in the Middle East are dictatorships, when you have unstable
totalitarian goverments any other turmoil is just going to escalate. A perfect example of that is the Muslim Brotherhood, which is one of the most
influental political and religious forces in the Middle East. The Brotherhood is the main political opposition to goverments in countries such as
Syria and Jordan, countries in which there is strong evidence of goverment support of terrorists orginazations. This organization strongly
advocates social justice, political freedom, and democracy in a generally peaceful manner. In many Middle Eastern countries the brotherhood is
actually banned by the corrupted and unjust goverments. The only exception to a peaceful approach is for situations of military occupation ( The
Muslim Brotherhood has a history of strong hostility towards colonialism). You would think that an organization like this, that advocates many of the
same things the United States is supposed to stand for would be one of our biggest allies in the region. Especially compared to Israel, our support
of Israel does absolutely nothing to benefit the spread of democracy or contribute to the betterment of the region as a whole. Israel support can
even be attributed to some of the general unrest in the rest of the region. I say this because Hamas is a branch of The Muslim Brotherhood, who as I
stated earlier, advocate the use of force during military occupation and have a staunch anti-colonial view. Since the United States, and
consequentally the other G8 powers view Hamas as a terrorist organization there are no diplomatic talks with the Brotherhood. One of the largest
assets to the stability of the Middle East is therefore ruled out. This then leads back to the United States seemingly single minded policy on the
support of the state of Israel. A possibility of spreading democracy in many countries is denied because of policies regarding one country. Going
back to the religious argument about the situation, it seems to just be the easiest way to address the problem. The fourth branch of the goverment
has always been a simplistic and unreliable source of information and the average citizen is not going to comprehend the delicate complexity of the
situation. So it just gets labeled as religious turmoil, wrapped and packaged for the general public, and churned out on the assembly line news.
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the average citizen is not going to comprehend the delicate complexity of the situation. So it just gets labeled as religious turmoil, wrapped and
packaged for the general public, and churned out on the assembly line news.
Not to be a dick and cut and paste but yea that's part of the point I was trying to make.
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I believe it all goes back to Religion fundamentally. Yes it is further complicated by money, politics and general power struggles, but that is all
born of religious differences from the start. Look at the name of the group you claim could be the key to peace in that region "The MUSLIM
Brotherhood" They are completely identified by their belief system. Titles like Crusaders, Zionists, fundamental extremists and the like totally back
the Religious argument. And now.......I am spent.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Voodoobillyman
I believe it all goes back to Religion fundamentally. Yes it is further complicated by money, politics and general power struggles, but that is all
born of religious differences from the start. Look at the name of the group you claim could be the key to peace in that region "The MUSLIM
Brotherhood" They are completely identified by their belief system. Titles like Crusaders, Zionists, fundamental extremists and the like totally back
the Religious argument. And now.......I am spent. |
The Muslim Brotherhood's main platform is Islam and what Islam demands of it's followers. Social justice, resistance to foreign occupation etc.
Hizbullah is basically the Shi'a version of Muslim Brotherhood, though they could technically have members who are not Muslim. From what I've read,
and that was Hizb'ullah Religion and Politics and Hezbollah Born With a Vengence, there actually are some Sunni and Christian
members in Hizbullah.
Also, regardless of any rationalizations that the Western world has made for Israel's existence... to have simply formed the nation as reaction to 1)
Jewish terrorism against the Brittish colonial presence in Palestine and 2) collective guilt over the Holocaust and displace the people currently
residing on the land and leaving them without a say in what happens to them and the places they and their families lived for generations is beyond
abhorrent and not exactly in accord with our supposed democratic values. Regardless of whether or not Palestinians were doing anything "productive"
with the land..... and one must question, productive for who?
The main reason the US doesn't bother with the Muslim Brotherhood is they would likely not want the US involved in their countries' affairs. And
particularly not economically. Thus the US gives supports to autocrats that do engage with US economically. Take Saudi Arabia as an example, one of
the worst regimes in the history of the region but our government is their biggest fan.
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