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NSK YouTube post
I found this on the BW&BK messageboard, assume its Danny from North Side Kings or one of the other members. Ranting about labels shooting themself in
the foot, being behind the times etc just like the Don't Believe the Hype thread earlier:
| Quote: | Today I realized how much more retarded record labels really are and how unnecessary they are in today?s day in age. I really haven?t posted very much
to my own personal You Tube account. As a matter of fact I have only posted one thing: a video by one of my favorite bands Sheer Terror. I had taken
the video off of Thorp Records site if I recall correctly. I posted it for two reasons: The first being me experimenting with you Tube and learning
how to use it. The second was because I wanted more people to know of Sheer Terror. I feel they are one of the best bands of all time and the pioneers
of early hardcore.
You Tube has another purpose than just entertainment. It?s a promotional machine. Where bands videos were left unseen because ?MTV? found that playing
the same Jay-Z video over and over, You Tube opened the door to the little man. The working man of music. You know what I am talking about : The bands
that tour and tour eating potato chip sandwiches just so they could play for 50 kids in Bumfuck USA. They do it because they love it not because there
is a payoff waiting at the end of the tunnel playing punk, hardcore, or being an underground hip hop artist.
And in all seriousness, look how many things have spread quickly with the help of You Tube. For example: The Iron Sheik ranting and raving. Even
Howard Stern has taken notice to this and talked about it on his show. Or recently The Go Skateboarding Day video caught in Hot Springs Arkansas with
the police officer roughing up some teenagers using major excessive force. Everyone who thought it was unjust posted that as a bulletin on Myspace and
other various sites until it made national news on CNN. People still see for the first time the altercation with me and Danzig from the tons of kids
that keep reposting on You Tube. It?s hilarious.
Today I received an email from You Tube stating: ?This is to notify you that we have removed or disabled access to the following material as a result
of a third-party notification by Blackout! Records claiming that this material is infringing: Sheer Terror ? Broken.? Here is the link in case you
think I am kidding: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqgYz-ZdIog When clicking on the link it straight up says, ?This video is no longer available due to a copyright
claim by Blackout! Records.?
Are you fucking kidding me? Was I leaking a video for a new unreleased album that wasn?t supposed to be seen yet? No! It is a video that was made for
their record Love Songs for the Unloved and was released in the late 90?s. By me posting this video, am I hurting the record label in anyway? Or is
the video going to hurt Sheer Terror?s reputation at all. Will it damage records sales? (The CD that is probably out of print at this point anyway!)
By me posting that video on You Tube, which can be found on many numerous websites by the way, is truthfully another avenue for promotion. I would
post the embedded code on someone Myspace page and a random kid lurking could come across it and say, ?Wow ? this rules, I need to get some of Sheer
Terror?s older shit.? Every little bit helps. I received a lot of private messages about that video from other fans and turned them onto the live DVD
that was released a few years ago. By Blackout! requesting You Tube to ban that video due to copyright infringement not only shows that record labels
are run by cocksuckers, but cocksuckers that seriously have no idea what they are doing.
I play in a band. We have music video?s on You Tube. Our video for our song The Bad Guy has been posted by three separate people. According to the
stats in total they have been viewed almost 14,000 times. In the scale of things that is a small total. But in comparison to how many times MTV will
ever play the video (Which is zero! Haha) to me that?s an awesome total. People who enjoy our music got to see a video that they otherwise would not
have been able to view.
The same thing recently happened with the new Rambo trailer. I posted that video on various website from the embedded code from someone?s You Tube
account a million times. I even wrote an article on the site about it. Apparently Millennium Films had it pulled from You Tube. I alone must have
helped promote the upcoming release a million times cheaper from my excitement than what $10,000 in advertising would get you. And that?s just me, not
counting every other fan sending that trailer to friends and family members.
Shame on you Blackout! You should be indulging in the free exposure one of your ex artists received. Record labels like you are quickly becoming
unnecessary. Bands can spend their own $5000 (Which is probably way more than what you normally invest) and have it printed, packaged, and release it
themselves with the help of the internet. People don?t go to record stores anymore ? that?s why chains like Tower are closing. They buy it online, I
Tunes, or just download it illegally. You can pay by credit card through Pay Pal and Joe Schmoe and Friends can sell his own album and make $7 to $8
per CD than the $1 you pay to the artist per sale AFTER COSTS AND EXPENSISES ARE RE COUPED. Fuck, I would rather sell a quarter of the records we
normally sell for that sort of margin to do it ourselves. So what, you may need to pick up distro overseas. Bands can handle it themselves in the USA
without the three channels going through a record label provides. Most small labels were started by fans of music; I just don?t understand when the
line from business and greed begins to become two separate entities. I am actually surprised Blackout! Records is still around, I figured they would
have folded by now?.
My point: movie trailers, music videos, interviews, live fan footage; this is all the beautiful promotional tools that a site like You Tube can
provide. When are record labels going to start contacting Myspace and having band profiles deleted because the label should run that too? I don?t
think that is too far off from happening. To take a movie trailer down from a movie that is 20 years old only hurts the movie from receiving
additional exposure. Same with pulling a bands video; after watching an old Exodus video for their song The Toxic Waltz, I went out and bought two of
their older and their most current CD. Now if having that music video FOR FREE on You Tube wasn?t worth every penny I spent, then something is
seriously wrong here.
The music business is in bad shape for labels right now. Maybe because of some of the things I pointed out here, but it?s the facts. Just look at the
new Ice Cube album that was released last year. He made his own record, paid for his own video, picked up distro, and made his own money back. Smart
guy? |
A lot of people ask me what kind of music I like. I love "soul music". My "soul music" isn’t a style, genre or niche. It’s music that is genuine. It’s
a painful lyric, a dirty bassline, it’s a harrowing vocal, it’s feedback, it’s an anthem, it’s a love song, it’s anarchy. I’ve got my personal
favourites but in the end it doesn’t matter who or where it comes from... so long as it’s good and it's real.
- Paul Morris, music director at 97.7 HTZ-FM
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yeah danny posted thi on myspace too....
does Blackout even have any active bands anymore?
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I agree 10,000%
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that is alot of thought for youtube posts. Makes sense but is NSK putting that much thought into doing music or is it a part-time gig still. Either
way I bought there stuff and think they are good. I support them on there own or on a label.
Each aspect of the soul has it's own part to play, but the ideal is harmonious agreement with reason and control.
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as someone who dealt with a small indie label for a while i'll say this........
FUCK LABELS
you dont need them in this day and age
you come at the king....you best not miss
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBadVibes
as someone who dealt with a small indie label for a while i'll say this........
FUCK LABELS
you dont need them in this day and age |
you said it G. there's a slew of bands out there doing it on their own these days. the internet has become a valuable tool, as well as shit like
myspace to promote bands and stuff. As far as I know isn't Joe Coffee doing it on their own?
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1. Blackout had kind of merged/acquired (don't know the details) a long-time label from PA called Creep Records (I actually went to HS with Creep's
owner) a few years back and i think most of what they were putting out were Creep's bands. Now, the site is MIA and the myspace page reads
"1989-2007", so that's kind of telling.
2. We actually got permission from Blackout before we put the Broken video up (we got it from Bill directly). But now that I'm thinking about it,
what did they have to do with Love Songs, that was an MCA realease? Vinyl rights, maybe? I dunno.
3. I agree that there is nothing wrong with free promotion, but even when it's free you have to be careful how it's done. This is the tricky part,
and why, on the surface, I agree with Blackout's request to pull the video. It's all about the fine print. For the longest time, the terms of
service for MySpace said that any material posted to the site became the property of MySpace and that they could use any materail (audio, video,
photos, text) however they wanted in any context they wanted. So by having a random individual upload a file that doesn't belong to them, they were
in essence granting MySpace usage rights to something they have no legan standing to pass on.
If I fail math, there goes my chance at a good job and a happy life full of hard work.
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gavin
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im pretty sure love songs was a co-release with mca and blackout
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makes sense.
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the way i thought it worked was they had Billy shop around for something bigger and he got them with MCA or something....
i have the vinyl and its blackout
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JUICE MAYNE MSHC
I agree 10,000% |
‘Do you know what a love letter is? It’s a bullet from a fucking gun. Straight through your heart.’
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im almost positive the cd had the mca logo along with the blackout logo
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Don't forget that song was on Old, New, Borrowed and Blue first which was a Blackout release. It's possible the video was prior to Love Songs, which
would put it solely under Blackout jurisdiction.
He is right about everything. There is ONE reason for a record label to exist in HC/underground music.
Lazy bands.
That?s it.
How much you need a label is entirely dependant on how much leg/finger work your willing to do for your own band. If you can't coordinate recording an
album with a recording studio, having it mastered, getting artwork done, paying to have it pressed, buying zine ads, bombing messageboards and going
to the post office to mail out packages then you need a label.
There is not a single thing I listed there that is too difficult for anyone that graduated 6th grade to do...it's all a matter of their willingness to
do it outwieghing their needing to have it done for them.
If you push your product, it will sell and larger distro will fall into your lap because they want to distribute what people want to buy. All the
sweetheart 'exclusive distribution' deals that the bigger HC labels have with these distros has only served to further dilute the scene with half
assed product that would have never seen the light of day if they didn't get tied into the distro earlier with a release Joe Blow Distribution wanted
rights to because he saw $$$.
If you promote it and people ask for it Rev or Very will take it and ANY record store on earth can order a CD through their own channels which at one
point or another reach to Very and rev.
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ahhhh you're right
the version of the song in the video is from the "old, new......." ep and not the love songs version
and i agree with you about the laziness of the bands point
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBadVibes
im almost positive the cd had the mca logo along with the blackout logo |
^^^^^^^^^ Ya it does.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by juandiablo
the internet has become a valuable tool, as well as shit like myspace to promote bands and stuff. |
How Liferuiner got signed to Tribunal by playing Hoods cover songs and bad mosh music. They had over 30,000 myspace friends so people figured they
were huge haha.
| Quote: | Originally posted by BD
It's all about the fine print. For the longest time, the terms of service for MySpace said that any material posted to the site became the property
of MySpace and that they could use any materail (audio, video, photos, text) however they wanted in any context they wanted. |
Exactly, this is why I never post much to Myspace and why I pulled everything down from Facebook. They can take YOUR stuff, and sell it to other
parties, use it however they want to etc. They lose rights when you pull the material, though Facebook does maintain a copy for achrival purposes.
What purposes that could be I have no idea, but I'd be pissed if my video ended up as the theme to some new marketing campaign online for a big
company because Myspace sold the rights to them.
A lot of people ask me what kind of music I like. I love "soul music". My "soul music" isn’t a style, genre or niche. It’s music that is genuine. It’s
a painful lyric, a dirty bassline, it’s a harrowing vocal, it’s feedback, it’s an anthem, it’s a love song, it’s anarchy. I’ve got my personal
favourites but in the end it doesn’t matter who or where it comes from... so long as it’s good and it's real.
- Paul Morris, music director at 97.7 HTZ-FM
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BD
It's all about the fine print. For the longest time, the terms of service for MySpace said that any material posted to the site became the property
of MySpace and that they could use any materail (audio, video, photos, text) however they wanted in any context they wanted. So by having a random
individual upload a file that doesn't belong to them, they were in essence granting MySpace usage rights to something they have no legan standing to
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but i thought that only gives them rights to the audio and video of that upload. not the video in it's original form, the song or
the publishing.
you tube is great, but you'd be hard pressed to profit off of the quality of the actual uploaded videos.
i could be wrong.
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i'm not familiar with youtube's language specifically, but regardless, as a copyright holder or representative of copyright holders, i don't want my
rights or the rights of any of the bands i work with transferred without knowledge and approval. and if some random person downloads a video from
this site, then uploads it to a site like myspace or youtube, that is exactly what is happening.
also, keep in mind that the quality of the video displayed on youtube is not necessarily representative of the quality that was originally uploaded.
youtube converts everything it recieves.
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i should mention that it has been some time since i have personally gone through the legalese from either of these sites, so the details may very well
have changed. regardless, the point remains the same - IF uploading to a site also represents transfer of usage rights, original copyright holders
can be potentially screwed, in theory, without even knowing.
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The WWE is really obsessive with their stuff being on youtube. They have lawyers on it all the time. Youtube removes the stuff as soon as it's
reported, but there's still a lot on there. The reasoning, so I've read, is that the copyrighted footage belongs to them, but if they allow it to be
posted on a bunch of sites by random people they run the risk of losing the copyright.
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you have to maintain active use and demonstrate control of your copyrighted (and trademarked, servicemarked, etc) material.
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i almost forgot, i DO have beef with Blackout Records.
where-the-fuck is the "Where The Wild Things Are" CD?
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ha! i dunno about that, but it was just rereleased on vinyl by noiseville.
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yeah i want a copy of that comp on cd too
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