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Tonight on Encore at 8 ET
American Hardcore!
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It's also on the OnDemand for viewing anytime.
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and in my DVD collection
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| Quote: | Originally posted by juandiablo
and in my DVD collection |
Each aspect of the soul has it's own part to play, but the ideal is harmonious agreement with reason and control.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by clevohardcore
| Quote: | Originally posted by juandiablo
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‘Do you know what a love letter is? It’s a bullet from a fucking gun. Straight through your heart.’
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BDx13
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ya know, i got the dvd for my birthday two months ago and i still haven't watched it.
WEAK!
If I fail math, there goes my chance at a good job and a happy life full of hard work.
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shame on you Duane.....
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Such a good flick. All that stuff was so far before my time, but it's like watching the rich early history of my "tribe." Haha.
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Godd documentary. My only gripe is that they left out a few bands that I thought deserved a mention, mainly the Dead Kennedys, and the Misfits. I
guess that was for legal reasons though.
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i liked it but i didnt think it was great
much of the footage i had seen before
and honestly, they spent too much time on bad brains, who have been covered a million times before
you come at the king....you best not miss
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yeah i agree Morgan. The book had a whole section dedicated to the Misfits and Dead Kennedys should def had gotten some minutes in there.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by juandiablo
yeah i agree Morgan. The book had a whole section dedicated to the Misfits and Dead Kennedys should def had gotten some minutes in there.
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Who wrote the book? Definately be interested in checking it out.
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Stephen Blush or something I think.
You can get it on Amazon
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The only thing I dislike about American Hardcore is most of the people from the first era 77- 85 are bitter ass fucks. To really discredit anybody
that discovered punk/hardcore after 85 which (the second era) include people like me is retarded.
I?m tired of hearing when I started listening to punk & hardcore (in mid 80?s) that the scene is dead, it?s over. Fuck that it?s over to them, for me
it was just the beginning. I know they started it, and I totally respect that, but to say that new people can?t enjoy what was created by a group of
people is just elitist bullshit to me. I have loved this music for twenty years, am I still clueless like they treated us in the mid 80?s.
Ian said hardcore left him behind, that?s because all things change, it?s called natural progression. Look at the differences from the second era to
now. You don?t see me calling new kids out saying what they love now is bullshit. I understand hardcore means different things to many people. We all
have different views about this, so why would I push my concepts on someone else.
They?re really pissed because it?s a thriving business and they struggled in their day. I understand the lifestyle aspect of it is not the same; most
new kids don?t live punk, like in the old days. Despite what they think, hardcore still lives and it will keep evolving as long as new kids keep
discovering it?
It?s bigger than any one band or one person.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by hardtone
The only thing I dislike about American Hardcore is most of the people from the first era 77- 85 are bitter ass fucks. To really discredit anybody
that discovered punk/hardcore after 85 which (the second era) include people like me in retarded.
I?m tired of hearing when I started listening to punk & hardcore (in mid 80?s) that the scene is dead, it?s over. Fuck that it?s over to them, for me
it was just the beginning. I know they started it, and I totally respect that, but to say that new people can?t enjoy what was created by a group of
people is just elitist bullshit to me. I have loved this music for twenty years, am I still clueless like they treated us in the mid 80?s.
Ian said hardcore left him behind, that?s because all things change, it?s called natural progression. Look at the differences from the second era to
now. You don?t see me calling new kids out saying what they love now is bullshit. I understand hardcore means different things to many people. We all
have different views about this, so why would I push my concepts on someone else.
They?re really pissed because it?s a thriving business and they struggled in their day. I understand the lifestyle aspect of it is not the same; most
new kids don?t live punk, like in the old days. Despite what they think, hardcore still lives and it will keep evolving as long as new kids keep
discovering it?
It?s bigger than any one band or one person. |
Well put.
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i agree with hardtone
but much of the "later" bands just fucking blow
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBadVibes
i liked it but i didnt think it was great
much of the footage i had seen before
and honestly, they spent too much time on bad brains, who have been covered a million times before |
Where "commercially?"
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| Quote: | Originally posted by hardtone
The only thing I dislike about American Hardcore is most of the people from the first era 77- 85 are bitter ass fucks. To really discredit anybody
that discovered punk/hardcore after 85 which (the second era) include people like me in retarded.
I?m tired of hearing when I started listening to punk & hardcore (in mid 80?s) that the scene is dead, it?s over. Fuck that it?s over to them, for me
it was just the beginning. I know they started it, and I totally respect that, but to say that new people can?t enjoy what was created by a group of
people is just elitist bullshit to me. I have loved this music for twenty years, am I still clueless like they treated us in the mid 80?s.
Ian said hardcore left him behind, that?s because all things change, it?s called natural progression. Look at the differences from the second era to
now. You don?t see me calling new kids out saying what they love now is bullshit. I understand hardcore means different things to many people. We all
have different views about this, so why would I push my concepts on someone else.
They?re really pissed because it?s a thriving business and they struggled in their day. I understand the lifestyle aspect of it is not the same; most
new kids don?t live punk, like in the old days. Despite what they think, hardcore still lives and it will keep evolving as long as new kids keep
discovering it?
It?s bigger than any one band or one person. |
You also can't not agree with them if you can step back and take an objective look at hardcore. They founded a scene of extreme punk rock and it was
deemed HC. From 86 till present it has been 100% retro (maybe the 90's sxe vegan movement can loosely be attached as a pure progression of the
ideology). Its either bands completely aping the sound of those bands or metal bands deeming themselves hc because they're involved in the social
structure of DIY music championed by these bands.
This is not to say there aren't bands still putting out good music, but why they feel the need to legitimize themselves by being "hardcore" bands,
when musically they couldn't be more off target is the bigger question. This is why theres a million hardcore bands and 10 good
bands.
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Music has progressed a lot in the last 20 years believe it or not. There's so many god damned genres it's enough to drive your head through a wall
and I do agree that too many bands attach themselves to hardcore but I never agreed with the fact that if you don't sound like a first wave band that
you're not hardcore. Most of my favorite hardcore comes from the more metallic scene which started to grow much bigger in the second wave (Breakdown
is a great example, I mean shit they were considered metalcore to a certain extent, Integrity is another) but to most of the people in America
Hardcore, book or movie completely denounce anything past 85 and that's bullshit.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Jason the Magnificent
| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBadVibes
i liked it but i didnt think it was great
much of the footage i had seen before
and honestly, they spent too much time on bad brains, who have been covered a million times before |
Where "commercially?" |
i just mean everyone knows the bad brains story and hoinestly at this point i dont care about them anymore
ive heard all the stories, seen all the footage and realize H.R. is a fuckin wacko crack head
i would rather they spent the time on A.F. or some other bands that got little to no coverage(negative approach being one)
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the question becomes "what is the REAL def. of what hardcore is"?
as said, everyone has a different answer to this question
as someoine who started seeing bands in the mid 80s, my opinion is that the first wave was it
i saw most of the known bands of the second wave at one time or another
while some were great and still hold up, looking back i find much of it laughable
i mean fuck.........SHELTER?!?!?!?!
come on
alot of the bands that were coming from "hardcore" at that time were really silly and i saw as a bad joke that eventually made me stop going to shows
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBadVibes
| Quote: | Originally posted by Jason the Magnificent
| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBadVibes
i liked it but i didnt think it was great
much of the footage i had seen before
and honestly, they spent too much time on bad brains, who have been covered a million times before |
Where "commercially?" |
i just mean everyone knows the bad brains story and hoinestly at this point i dont care about them anymore
ive heard all the stories, seen all the footage and realize H.R. is a fuckin wacko crack head
i would rather they spent the time on A.F. or some other bands that got little to no coverage(negative approach being one) |
I don't think this guy was making a movie with the sole hopes of telling HC kids about bands they already know about. I'd guess his ambitions were a
bit bigger than that.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Siczine.com
Music has progressed a lot in the last 20 years believe it or not. There's so many god damned genres it's enough to drive your head through a wall
and I do agree that too many bands attach themselves to hardcore but I never agreed with the fact that if you don't sound like a first wave band that
you're not hardcore. Most of my favorite hardcore comes from the more metallic scene which started to grow much bigger in the second wave (Breakdown
is a great example, I mean shit they were considered metalcore to a certain extent, Integrity is another) but to most of the people in America
Hardcore, book or movie completely denounce anything past 85 and that's bullshit. |
The early/good Breakdown was nowhere near metalcore. The later stuff with Dijan on guitar is 90% terrible. The only good 'newer' stuff was the first
ep with streetfight on it.
What everyone (not here specifically...this is an ongoing debate in many places) is failing to realize is when you interview hc's founders they're
going to say anything past 85 isn't hardcore because they're being interviewed about "their" hardcore and anything past then has nothing to do with
them.
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Like stated already, the definition of hardcore is different to many people across the board. But I was always under the assumption it was more of an
ideal than a sound but apparently that just isn't the case. To me Balboa from Philly is a good example, they play what can be almost called
post-hardcore but their lyrics are more hardcore than 90% of the so-called hardcore bands that have come out in the last decade.
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It does feel like dudes are cheapening my experience with hardcore when they say "it's over, it ended in 85, get over it" or... as one dude put it at
the end of the film(can't remember who) "go home, your cages are clean now." Something certainly changed, but goddamn. I'm sure the excitement I felt
at my first few shows, and the first time I played in a band, and sticking with my people to watch my back from people who either weren't down with us
within our little scene or outsides entirely... it was pretty much the same way they felt. I had something different to be pissed off about in my day.
Instead of trickle down economics and Ronald Reagan, I had veganism and a bunch of drugged out friends that bailed out on me in junior high and high
school.
I'll say it, the vegan straight edge period of hardcore in the 90s was definitely the next passionate evolution of hardcore. That lasted basically
'til 98. Then hardcore died for me. I'm curiously waiting to see what's going to rise up next. Meanwhile I do think 90% of the shit called "hardcore"
now, isn't. I come here, though, to say that shit... instead of raining on some new kid's parade.
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