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| Quote: | Originally posted by Jason the Magnificent
...but it has nowhere NEAR the same impact as the other word, it doesn't have the same history behind it. |
Not if you lump all white people together, no.
Well, its this place where nobody works, and the pigs don\'t give you any shit. Everyone smokes weed and gets drunk all day. Its a place where
cunts like me and you can truly take it easy and relax. Know what I mean?
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I never really thought about this term before. I have used it in different contexts and never even really thought about it's impact. This is
definitely an interesting subject to discuss. And yes, I will admit, I probabl;y would have let the N-bomb slip on Britney had she been black. Those
are my demons and I am dealing with them.
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i'm not getting into the debate, but I fucking laughed hard when Trump fired some dude off The Apprentice who wasn't even up for getting fired because
he joked that he was himself a white trash kinda guy. Trump lost his shit & fired the guy hahaha.
A lot of people ask me what kind of music I like. I love "soul music". My "soul music" isn’t a style, genre or niche. It’s music that is genuine. It’s
a painful lyric, a dirty bassline, it’s a harrowing vocal, it’s feedback, it’s an anthem, it’s a love song, it’s anarchy. I’ve got my personal
favourites but in the end it doesn’t matter who or where it comes from... so long as it’s good and it's real.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Jason the Magnificent
not anywhere near the same thing. not the same ballpark or even sport.
britney is white and she is trash...two adjectives together that describe her that bear NOWHERE near the same implications as the other word.
Someone surviving in a poor living situation that works hard, accepts their responsibilites and does what they have to do, day in and day out should
have respect from anyone, white, black, rich, poor...good people are good people. Sometimes people get dealt shit hands in life...that doesn't make
them trash, that makes them unlucky and/or underprivledged.
People that wallow in self pity, shun their responsibilites to family, friends, children, work and society are a totally differen't type of person.
They can be rich, poor, purple, fat, short or emo. When you output trash, you are trash. How one can make a sensitivity arguement about the use of the
term white trash really is beyond me. I can see your point about what a stereotypical slur white trash can be...but it has nowhere NEAR the same
impact as the other word, it doesn't have the same history behind it. |
ok
this is your definition of it
do you think everyone who uses the term thinks the same way?
and again, im not arguing this stuff at all
im just asking questions getting points of view
i dont feel strongly enough about it to argue honestly
im just interested in what people think about it |
I have no doubt that the word means something different to each person that uses it. That is the nature of words. It still doesn't make the two words
comparable.
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I don't mind white trash, i'm proud of my trailer park roots. Its better then gettin called a spud eatin mick any day, now thats fightin words.
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I meant to post this the other day and forgot about this thread...
So now we've finally got our very own 'white trash'
The demonisation of 'chavs' as a way of writing off those at the bottom of the social ladder has reached epidemic levels
John Harris
Tuesday March 6, 2007
The Guardian
For 20-odd years my mum has taught chemistry at a Catholic sixth-form college in Manchester. I did my A-levels at the same place: Loreto, a
state-funded institution with a multiracial, multifaith roll, in inner-city Hulme. Since the early 90s, the area has been outwardly transformed,
though its social indicators still speak volumes: at the last count, 65% of Hulme's residents lived in rented social housing. Set against that
backdrop, Loreto is a beacon of Tony Blair's beloved opportunity society - two years ago, it was awarded the Queen's anniversary prize for higher and
further education, thanks to "Educational provision in an urban context [and] raising achievement and aspiration".
It seemed a good a place to do an experiment: getting my mum to write "chav" on the whiteboard, and seeing what came back - from GCSE retake students,
and a class taking its weekly dose of A-level general studies. And out it all came: many preferred the specifically north-western epithet "scally",
though the distinguishing features of both archetypes were apparently the same - clothing brands Nike TN, Rockport, Paul & Shark, and racial profile
(the unanimous answer came back in a flash) white. Chavs, the students said, are in the habit of "causing trouble, hanging round the streets, drinking
and taking drugs". They are "working class, they live in council houses". Their parents "don't care, and they don't work".
"Some might change and go to uni," said one girl. "But not many. They're the exception." So how might they go up in the world? The only options were
"theft, robbery, drug money or the lottery". In terms of background, these kids seemed as diverse as any opinion-poller could wish for - but what was
fascinating was a shared indifference to the people they were talking about : neither threatening nor deserving of sympathy, chavs and scallies were
simply a distant other.
Here, then, is a modern folk devil maligned just about everywhere, from schoolyards to the offices of upscale newspapers. The Daily Telegraph's
venerable Simon Heffer, for example, almost exactly echoed the students' responses back in January: "Our underclass has been allowed to get out of
control ... They and their children regard school as optional. Drug dealing and theft are the main careers, nicely supplementing the old staple of
benefit fraud." He might loudly harrumph; millions crystallise the same sentiments in the habitual use of a single word.
Just lately, it's become unfashionable to worry about all this. A spurt of unease last year momentarily recast chav baiting as "nu-snobbery". This
year hand-wringing about the bullying on Celebrity Big Brother - led, of course, by "queen chav" Jade Goody - found even the Sun appearing to call
time on the term.
A couple of months on, the issue lies somewhere between passe and closed down, but scan the news wires, and the continued ubiquity of the chav is
revealed. The Sun still uses the word with glee ("the transformation of Coleen McLoughlin from chip shop chav to catwalk queen has amazed critics," it
marvelled last week). Elsewhere, the references pile up: "Bar bans 'chav' clothes," reports Blackpool Today; " 'Chav culture' crooks jailed," says the
York Press; "A storm is raging this week, over claims made on a website that Burnham is a 'chav' town," reckons the Burnham and Highbridge Weekly
News. The concept seems so ingrained as to be immovable.
What that says about modern Britain seems pretty straightforward. How else to understand it than as more evidence of our embrace of an increasingly
American social model, in which there is opportunity for all - apart from the undeserving rump too feckless to seize it? In short, we've finally
acquired our own equivalent of that dread term "white trash". As Lynsey Hanley's superb book Estates - superficially about council housing, but
actually addressing much more - points out, at the bottom of the social ladder, class has been supplanted by caste, thanks to a con trick whereby
successive governments have "hived off poorer working-class people from affluent society ... when, all the while, they have claimed that we are
progressing inexorably towards a state of classlessness".
Given that Alan Milburn has again crashlanded in the news, this may be an apposite moment to recall one of his key contributions to the last election
campaign: a call to allow "more people the opportunity to join the middle class" - such are the affectedly aspirational politics, running across all
three main parties, that start out well intentioned but end up looking hopelessly crass; and there is something particularly depressing about leading
members of the Labour party presenting the essential solution to poverty as individual escape. But that argument is for another time. What's relevant
here is the way that the rhetoric dovetails with the "c" word, and where the latter sits in the culture: as a signifier used by millions for some of
the unfortunates who have absolutely no chance of making that imagined leap.
As proved by the views of those young Mancunians, they're occasionally prodded and demonised, but largely left alone. The rest of us - in theory,
anyway - can join the meritocracy and acquire the trappings of at least modest success; to paraphrase George Orwell's 1984, chavs and animals are
free.
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