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I am a front print/good design with legible band name kinda guy. I usually have an over shirt or hoodie, so the back is lost on me.
I prefer the 1-2 color designs. If the design is good, it will stand on it's own.
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Just an FYI that Honus touched on most venues take a percentage. Anything over 500 or 600 capacity, you're getting hit with at least 10%. I'm guessing
HOB takes 25-30 percent. I did some dates on the NFG/GC arena tour in 03; venues were taking 40%. That was 5+ years ago. I don't think the Mideast as
a practice takes a percentage, but they have in the past. The Street Dogs are almost definitely paying percentages to venues, even on their headlining
dates. Most bands on Warped tour are getting hit for at least 10%.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MarkV
Just an FYI that Honus touched on most venues take a percentage. Anything over 500 or 600 capacity, you're getting hit with at least 10%. I'm guessing
HOB takes 25-30 percent. I did some dates on the NFG/GC arena tour in 03; venues were taking 40%. That was 5+ years ago. I don't think the Mideast as
a practice takes a percentage, but they have in the past. The Street Dogs are almost definitely paying percentages to venues, even on their headlining
dates. Most bands on Warped tour are getting hit for at least 10%. |
I think that sucks. taking almost half the profit the band should get is pretty fucking shitty.
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It is. And that's why bands raise their prices.
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What Mark is saying is true but it doesn't mean people aren't being gouged at times. $12 but 20% is $14.40, not $20.
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I find a lot of the older bands charge more for their shirts. Dayglo's prices have hit $20 for a shirt the last few times I saw them. DOA is usually
pretty expensive too. I have no problem paying up to $15 for a shirt, as long as it's good quality. Anything above that I think is too pricey. I
have to LOVE a shirt to pay $20 for it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mark Lind
What Mark is saying is true but it doesn't mean people aren't being gouged at times. $12 but 20% is $14.40, not $20. |
They are, but as long as people are willing to pay it, it's not going to stop, as you said.
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people are stupid... I just hate to see a band that just takes advantage of stupidity. I mean I know that bands are trying to make some money, even if
its just so they can reinvest it into their music, but If someone will buy a $20 shirt thats fine, but they would have bought a $10 shirt and been
psyched or they would have bought 2 $10 shirts and been psyched.
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HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
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Mark Lind
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What Mark is saying is true but it doesn't mean people aren't being gouged at times. $12 but 20% is $14.40, not $20. |
They are, but as long as people are willing to pay it, it's not going to stop, as you said. |
Totally.
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And, how much are t shirts at stores? Target, Hot Topic, the Gap, Pac Sun, etc? They all have to be at least 15 and up at this point, right?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MarkV
And, how much are t shirts at stores? Target, Hot Topic, the Gap, Pac Sun, etc? They all have to be at least 15 and up at this point, right?
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not at Target or Old Navy I know that. You can sometimes get them 3 for $15. Of course the shirts at Old Navy are LAME, but they are cheap.
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HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
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Newbury Comics charges like $18.99 for their band shirts now and they are all ill fitting.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mark Lind
Newbury Comics charges like $18.99 for their band shirts now and they are all ill fitting. |
thats overpriced to me too, but I have a bigger issue when the price is high & you're buying it right from the band. I mean if Def-Steve can print and
sell shirts to bands for literally $4-$5 a piece (with only a 20 shirt minimum) than a band should be happy with double or trippling the cost.
| Quote: | Originally posted by REV.PAULIE
HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
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YOU,HONUS,IS WHAT MAKES THE "EDGE" COOL.
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yeah but a store has to get paid as well
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| Quote: | Originally posted by XHonusWagnerX
| Quote: | Originally posted by MarkV
And, how much are t shirts at stores? Target, Hot Topic, the Gap, Pac Sun, etc? They all have to be at least 15 and up at this point, right?
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not at Target or Old Navy I know that. You can sometimes get them 3 for $15. Of course the shirts at Old Navy are LAME, but they are cheap.
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Shirts with printing?
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Newbury Comics charges like $18.99 for their band shirts now and they are all ill fitting. |
thats overpriced to me too, but I have a bigger issue when the price is high & you're buying it right from the band. I mean if Def-Steve can print and
sell shirts to bands for literally $4-$5 a piece (with only a 20 shirt minimum) than a band should be happy with double or trippling the cost.
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Let's say 5 bucks tripled, to 15. Then the venue takes 3, so it's now 12.
You've got to account for gas prices (which I realize are low right now) and the actual overhead it costs a young band with 6 people in a van to do a
6 week US tour is.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MarkV
| Quote: | Originally posted by XHonusWagnerX
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Newbury Comics charges like $18.99 for their band shirts now and they are all ill fitting. |
thats overpriced to me too, but I have a bigger issue when the price is high & you're buying it right from the band. I mean if Def-Steve can print and
sell shirts to bands for literally $4-$5 a piece (with only a 20 shirt minimum) than a band should be happy with double or trippling the cost.
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Let's say 5 bucks tripled, to 15. Then the venue takes 3, so it's now 12.
You've got to account for gas prices (which I realize are low right now) and the actual overhead it costs a young band with 6 people in a van to do a
6 week US tour is. |
a touring band I understand a little more also, but I guess I just subscribe to a different theory on this than everyone else. When I had a band we
always sold stuff as cheap as possible because if we can sell 10 shirts for 10 and make $100 it was way better than selling 5 shirts for $20 and
making the same $100 because it ment more people had the stuff and were possibly spreading the word.
| Quote: | Originally posted by REV.PAULIE
HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MarkV
| Quote: | Originally posted by XHonusWagnerX
| Quote: | Originally posted by MarkV
And, how much are t shirts at stores? Target, Hot Topic, the Gap, Pac Sun, etc? They all have to be at least 15 and up at this point, right?
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not at Target or Old Navy I know that. You can sometimes get them 3 for $15. Of course the shirts at Old Navy are LAME, but they are cheap.
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yeah the shirts at Old Navy are really cheap and they are printed with random things like "real to real tape deck" or an ad for a fake chinese
resturaunt.
| Quote: | Originally posted by REV.PAULIE
HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
RULE!
YOU,HONUS,IS WHAT MAKES THE "EDGE" COOL.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by XHonusWagnerX
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Newbury Comics charges like $18.99 for their band shirts now and they are all ill fitting. |
thats overpriced to me too, but I have a bigger issue when the price is high & you're buying it right from the band. I mean if Def-Steve can print and
sell shirts to bands for literally $4-$5 a piece (with only a 20 shirt minimum) than a band should be happy with double or trippling the cost.
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Let's say 5 bucks tripled, to 15. Then the venue takes 3, so it's now 12.
You've got to account for gas prices (which I realize are low right now) and the actual overhead it costs a young band with 6 people in a van to do a
6 week US tour is. |
a touring band I understand a little more also, but I guess I just subscribe to a different theory on this than everyone else. When I had a band we
always sold stuff as cheap as possible because if we can sell 10 shirts for 10 and make $100 it was way better than selling 5 shirts for $20 and
making the same $100 because it ment more people had the stuff and were possibly spreading the word. |
You can also be lenient. You say the shirt's 15, but for everyone couple you sell at 15, you're selling one or two to kids who only have 10, or you're
selling the shirt and CD together for 20, or you're giving shit away (which most bands don't seem to realize ads up).
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MarkV
You can also be lenient. You say the shirt's 15, but for everyone couple you sell at 15, you're selling one or two to kids who only have 10, or you're
selling the shirt and CD together for 20, or you're giving shit away (which most bands don't seem to realize ads up). |
That seems like a totally reasonable thing to do. Also, we've gotten to the number $15. I dont have a huge issue with $15 for a shirt its the $20+
shirts that I think are insane.
Hoodies too. Def-Star does hoodies for about $11 a piece. If you can get them made for that than why do so many bands sell hoodies for $35+?
I've never been in an 'underground DIY' band, but the bands I was in always had that mentality so its just what makes the most sense to me.
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HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
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"Underground DIY bands" = hobby/vacation bands. Look at bands with the lowest prices: they're either dudes having fun off their time at work, OR rich
kids just enjoying themselves.
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Honus- The upcharge is almost the same!
Hoodie cost: 11
sell: 35
Shirt: 5
sell 15
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MarkV
Honus- The upcharge is almost the same!
Hoodie cost: 11
sell: 35
Shirt: 5
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well I'm embarased to say that I didnt really think of it that way. I guess its just the $35 price point that I feel is to high, but you are right,
its the same thing.
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HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MarkV
"Underground DIY bands" = hobby/vacation bands. Look at bands with the lowest prices: they're either dudes having fun off their time at work, OR rich
kids just enjoying themselves. |
This I dont agree with. In Providence, RI and Onleyville, RI there is a huge scene of bands that doing things almost totally DIY. Bands that have been
around for years like DROPDEAD. Yes, they dont play as often as they used to, but they are all in other bands in addition to Dropdead that are playing
and putting out material. I dont think I have ever seen a Dropdead shirt priced higher than $8. Theres another band called THE WHITE MICE and they
subscribe to the same theories and sell shirts for nore more than $10. Self released CDs for $6-$8 and CDs & LPs out on lables for $10-$12. Other
bands I would include are BATTLE SNAKE, SUFFERING BASTARD, LOLITA BLACK, I DESTROYER, WORK/DEATH, LIGHTNING BOLT and many more and thats just from 1
section of my local scene.
| Quote: | Originally posted by REV.PAULIE
HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
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Newbury Comics charges like $18.99 for their band shirts now and they are all ill fitting. |
thats overpriced to me too, but I have a bigger issue when the price is high & you're buying it right from the band. I mean if Def-Steve can print and
sell shirts to bands for literally $4-$5 a piece (with only a 20 shirt minimum) than a band should be happy with double or trippling the cost.
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Let's say 5 bucks tripled, to 15. Then the venue takes 3, so it's now 12.
You've got to account for gas prices (which I realize are low right now) and the actual overhead it costs a young band with 6 people in a van to do a
6 week US tour is. |
I gotta go ahead and disagree with you there. The reality is that most bands today are greedy and want $$. The quality of music is down.... the cost
of the poor quality music is up. I know so many bands personally that are a) full of shit b) only in it for the money c) selling a gimmick of being
honest and not in it for the money d) doing well with making people believe this crap.
Bands move too quick today to take themselves seriously. I've seen small time bands try traveling with a tour manager, a sound man, roadies, merch
girl. Take it easy, guys. You're not the Rolling Stones. Some bands are paying these people guaranteed salaries when there's no guarantee they are
even gonna have people show up to see them play. Here's a novel idea.... carry your own amp, tune your own guitar, go behind your own merch table and
cut the prices and give us a break. I did it. So can they.
And while I'm at it.... can someone please make a decent record for me to enjoy in 2009? I still like punk music but no one is offering anything
decent. In the meantime I will listen to more Elton John and Billy Joel.
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