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GROW MORE POT
I've been listening to a lot of Jello Biafra spoken word the last few days and he has one skit/speech called 'Grow More Pot' where he runs through the
benefits of hemp and then lists the possible reasons it was made illegal.
What are your thoughts? I don’t think I'm for legalizing it to smoke but mainly because of the second hand smoke aspect of it. If people can smoke it
anywhere that they can smoke a cigarette then there would be lots of people’s houses that you could get a residual high in.
I heard awhile back that they could grow it with no THC content which would mean it had no effects when smoked, but could be used for paper, fibers
etc. So why don’t they at the very least don’t they do that?
JELLO'S FACTS ON HEMP:
You can make 4 times the paper from an acre of hemp as from an acre of trees.
You can just grow another crop a few months later.
Hemp makes paper at 1/4 the cost of making paper from wood pulp & only 1/5 the pollution.
Hemp processing uses 1/5 the chemicals needed to process wood pulp.
Levi Jeans were originally made from hemp.
American flags were originally made from hemp.
The constitution as well as most early bibles were written on hemp paper.
You can get 4 times as much cellulous to make gasohol or methanol from hemp stems than from corn stalks.
In the 1760's in the American Colonies you could be jailed for not growing hemp because it was part of the key to becoming economically independent
from Britain.
1630 to the early 1800's hemp was used as a form of currency.
Hemp seeds have more protein than soy beans & they are cheaper. You can also digest more protein from hemp than from soy.
Hemp was illegal during WWII, but American farmers were ordered to briefly grow it for the war effort.
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JELLO'S EXPLINATION ABOUT WHY IT’S ILLEGAL:
1936 Popular Mechanics hailed the invention of a new machine to process hemp predicting that it would again become the world’s largest cash crop.
- upsetting large paper manufacturers & other companies with large timber holdings.
- upsetting the tobacco industry.
- upsetting DuPont Chemicals who had just developed a new wood pulp sulfite process as well as a plastic fiber which had surpassed hemp as the #2
fiber next to cotton.
- large drug companies feared losing revenue to medicines made from marijuana, because you can’t patent a medicine unless the medicine has chemicals
in it. All natural herbal medicines can not be patented.
Marijuana was outlawed in 1937.
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pot is legal in california
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There's quite a few hemp foods around now, we sell several of them at the store I work in. There's even Hemp milk to compete with Soy and Rice milks.
Adidas (and several other shoe companies) make Hemp shoes. Lots and lots of companies make hemp products and sell them legally in this country. I
dunno where they get their source material though.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by defstarsteve
pot is legal in california |
isnt that just for medical use?
Can you grow it anywhere you want?
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It's not "legal." You need a prescription for it, which, as I understand isn't that hard to get. Once you have it (oh yeah, you need to buy a weed ID
card, too), you can buy it at special stores/clubs, and can only smoke in designated places, such as your house and I believe in the weed stores
themselves. You can carry it, but it has to be in the bag or bottle that it came in, with the label on it and you have to have your card.
As for growing, you need a special license in order to that, as well. People can't just raise a crop in the backyard and toke walking down the street.
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Amusing anecdote about the Hemp Milk, I had a soccer mom in the store one day looking at it and she looked around nervously before leaning over to me
and asking "Does it get you high?"
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I used to like Jello when I was a teen but got over him long ago. Hemp is THE MOST versatile plant known to man kind. Either you like it or you
don't. If it wasn't for my wife and MJ I wouldn't be here right now. The drug, tobacco, and timber companies SHOULD be scared 
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when i was younger, all the pro-hemp people i knew when fuckin' burnouts.
no shit you want it legal, brah.
but as an old timer, i can clearly appreciate the benefits.
and no, i didn't start smoking!
If I fail math, there goes my chance at a good job and a happy life full of hard work.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BD
when i was younger, all the pro-hemp people i knew when fuckin' burnouts.
no shit you want it legal, brah.
but as an old timer, i can clearly appreciate the benefits.
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Thats almost exactly what Jello said. He said that he doent smoke it (anymore) and that he never liked the effect of it and the culture around it, but
its hard to argue the benefits of 'hemp'.
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HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
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the perscription costs about 125.00 and takes 20 minutes of your time to get.
the perscription is good for 1 year. you do not need a docotors recommendation.
if you have anything wrong from cancer to insomnia to dandruff you can get the perscription.
you then can take the perscription to any legal weed store...
last count was something like 250 in the valley alone.
you then show them your card and you get your choise of not only the most exotic high end weed you could imagine
but it in many other forms from cookies to lollipops to oils and lipstick...
yes weed lipstick.
not everyone can smoke (health reasons) or enjoys to
you can buy up to I thinkn 2 oz's per day, every day.
as long as you have your card with you can carry it anywhere, and smoke wherever it is legal to smoke in the state, which is not very many places.
you are not supposed to operate heavy machinery as with just about any perscription.
anyone with the card can grow, 6 young and 6 ready to harvast...
this has been leagl for 12 years...
no one is getting shot or going to jail here for weed anymore.
as for hemp I'm sure it would make a great alternative fuel source as well...
as long as people have a stigma noone will know for sure...
I know all of this as the wife has a perscription.
without it I would have killed her by now I'm sure.
I have not smoked since I was 20...
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thats weird to me... It just seems ripe for abusing. I mean its better than putting potheads in jail for no good reason, but its really just a
manipulation of the system (done by the system) and doesnt really solve any problems.
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HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
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YOUR FRIEND,
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Oh yeah... it must be legal in California because Schwarzenegger wants to smoke it!
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HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
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YOUR FRIEND,
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I thought you needed a special license to grow, or is that over a certain quantity?
Also, the prescription, ie the card, has to come from a doctor, doesn't it? Even one of those "come in and I'll give you a prescription" places it's
still a doctor, no?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by XHonusWagnerX
What are your thoughts? I don’t think I'm for legalizing it to smoke but mainly because of the second hand smoke aspect of it. If people can smoke it
anywhere that they can smoke a cigarette then there would be lots of people’s houses that you could get a residual high in.
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Then are you for the complete and total banning of cigarettes and tobacco related products? And you obviously wouldn't be able to smoke it anywhere.
Shit you can't even smoke cigarettes in bars anymore. So if I'm smoking weed in my house and someone doesn't want second hand smoke, or a contact
high, then you can stay outside, my house I can do what I want.
And I am of the mind that if you want to destroy you should be able too. Alcohol is okay to kill yourself with as is tobacco and weed should be too.
But because the government wants to stay status quo and not upset the alcohol and tobacco companies weed is "bad." And in actuality the safest of all
three is weed!
Alcohol kills tons of people from both liver problems (and results in god knows how many domestic violence cases) as well as drunk driving and I don't
even have to get into tobacco. And the most dangerous aspect of weed is smoking it but you can always eat it and get an even stronger effect. But I
have read/heard that the smoke of tobacco doesn't kill the cells in the body, it pretty much turns that into non functioning cells that are apt to
turn into cancerous cells unlike the carcinogens in marijuana.
AND the most retarded thing about weed being illegal is the fact that the government has made it a schedule I drug, meaning it has no medicinal value
whatsoever. This obviously is a contradiction because they have given it federally to a handful of patients and of course the Prop 215 in Cali.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MarkV
It's not "legal." You need a prescription for it, which, as I understand isn't that hard to get. Once you have it (oh yeah, you need to buy a weed ID
card, too), you can buy it at special stores/clubs, and can only smoke in designated places, such as your house and I believe in the weed stores
themselves. You can carry it, but it has to be in the bag or bottle that it came in, with the label on it and you have to have your card.
As for growing, you need a special license in order to that, as well. People can't just raise a crop in the backyard and toke walking down the street.
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Actually there is no license to grow weed. That is the biggest problem with prop 215, tons of growers in Cali have been raided by the feds and there
is no protection for them. So it's okay for dispensary's to sell the weed but it is illegal to grow it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Siczine.com
AND the most retarded thing about weed being illegal is the fact that the government has made it a schedule I drug, meaning it has no medicinal value
whatsoever. This obviously is a contradiction because they have given it federally to a handful of patients and of course the Prop 215 in Cali.
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Well, Prop 215 isn't a good example from a federal level, since they absolutely hate it. They're putting pressure on landlords to get rid of their pot
store tenants, and most people acknowledge it's only a matter of time before the feds start raiding the places.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Siczine.com
| Quote: | Originally posted by XHonusWagnerX
What are your thoughts? I don’t think I'm for legalizing it to smoke but mainly because of the second hand smoke aspect of it. If people can smoke it
anywhere that they can smoke a cigarette then there would be lots of people’s houses that you could get a residual high in.
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Then are you for the complete and total banning of cigarettes and tobacco related products? And you obviously wouldn't be able to smoke it anywhere.
Shit you can't even smoke cigarettes in bars anymore. So if I'm smoking weed in my house and someone doesn't want second hand smoke, or a contact
high, then you can stay outside, my house I can do what I want.
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I know that in my area people can smoke outside of buildings in public places, bus stops, outside resturaunts, bars etc. So if Im standing outside
that same resturaunt I deserve to get high because someone else is smoking weed? Or if Im waiting for the same bus? Those are really the type of
things I was thinking of.
It would play into the house thing too though. Im not saying that people should be limited as to what they can do in their homes. Im just saying if a
friend smoked weed all the time in their house, I wouldnt go there. Or if they smoked in the car, I wouldnt drive with them etc.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by XHonusWagnerX
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What are your thoughts? I don’t think I'm for legalizing it to smoke but mainly because of the second hand smoke aspect of it. If people can smoke it
anywhere that they can smoke a cigarette then there would be lots of people’s houses that you could get a residual high in.
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Then are you for the complete and total banning of cigarettes and tobacco related products? And you obviously wouldn't be able to smoke it anywhere.
Shit you can't even smoke cigarettes in bars anymore. So if I'm smoking weed in my house and someone doesn't want second hand smoke, or a contact
high, then you can stay outside, my house I can do what I want.
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I know that in my area people can smoke outside of buildings in public places, bus stops, outside resturaunts, bars etc. So if Im standing outside
that same resturaunt I deserve to get high because someone else is smoking weed? Or if Im waiting for the same bus? Those are really the type of
things I was thinking of.
It would play into the house thing too though. Im not saying that people should be limited as to what they can do in their homes. Im just saying if a
friend smoked weed all the time in their house, I wouldnt go there. Or if they smoked in the car, I wouldnt drive with them etc.
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I don't know all the rules where you're from but in Philly you can't smoke a cigarette unless you are within 15' from the building; this applies to
any publicly funded school, state building, etc,. And you can't drink beers in the car so you obviously wouldn't be able to smoke it in the car.
And do I deserve to get second hand smoke from a cigarette? No. But that's somehow allowed. And if weed was made legal I'm sure there would be
limited amount of places you could smoke.
In my opinion, your reasoning for being against the legalization of weed is poor.
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I think it should be allowed in designated areas, much like booze.
Btw, there's more and more cities out here banning cigarette smoking in public.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by XHonusWagnerX
I know that in my area people can smoke outside of buildings in public places, bus stops, outside resturaunts, bars etc. So if Im standing outside
that same resturaunt I deserve to get high because someone else is smoking weed? Or if Im waiting for the same bus? Those are really the type of
things I was thinking of.
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You would literally need to locked in a phone booth with the person smoking to get a 'contact high'. You're not gonna get any effects just breathing
in thin streams of second hand MJ smoke from a distance and with plenty of fresh air flowing around you. You're basically scared of nothing but I was
sXe once too and can relate to how you feel.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Siczine.com
In my opinion, your reasoning for being against the legalization of weed is poor. |
My reason for not thinking it should be legal is none of the things that I mentioned here. My reason for keeping it illegal is that its a in my
opinion its a stupid thing to do. We need more people spending more money on a chemical that they dont need?
At this point people that want it, get it, smoke it and stay out of jail. If its legal then there will be even more highschool kids doing it than
there already and bottom line... its a drug. I think that drugs are a bad thing and thats my reason. You may still think that its a dumb reason, but
its my opinion.
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HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MikeCore
You would literally need to locked in a phone booth with the person smoking to get a 'contact high'. You're not gonna get any effects just breathing
in thin streams of second hand MJ smoke from a distance and with plenty of fresh air flowing around you. You're basically scared of nothing but I was
sXe once too and can relate to how you feel. |
Its not that I'm scared of nothing its that I'm unedjucated on it because I have no use for it and have avoided being around people that do have a use
for it. I think its a stupid thing to do and have no interest in doing it or being around it.
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HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
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Also.... this thread was about the uses for hemp having nothing to do with getting high. Legalize it with no THC content and use it for cloth, paper,
fuel, protein and everything else its good for.
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HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
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That was form that TOILET JELLO BIAFRA spoken word right? I used to have that on tape.
Each aspect of the soul has it's own part to play, but the ideal is harmonious agreement with reason and control.
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someone bring me over a bag....
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