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Dear Canada...
What the fuck is up with your government?
If I fail math, there goes my chance at a good job and a happy life full of hard work.
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Dave
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it's a mess right now.......that's all i can say.......
for those whom don't know what's going on up here:
Harper hangs on as PM, shuts Parliament
1 hour ago
OTTAWA — Prime Minister Stephen Harper has won a stay of political execution - at least until January.
Harper convinced Gov. Gen. Michaelle Jean to suspend Parliament on Thursday, delaying a non-confidence vote scheduled for Monday that would have
brought down his beleaguered minority Conservative government.
The House of Commons has gone dark until Jan. 26, when Harper will return and present a federal budget the next day - followed by a confidence vote.
"Today's decision will give us an opportunity - I'm talking about all the parties - to focus on the economy and work together," the prime minister
said outside the front door of Rideau Hall.
The decision also sets up the prospect of a fierce battle with the opposition coalition for public support over the coming weeks.
Jean agreed to Harper's unprecedented request after a face-to-face meeting at the vice-regal residence that lasted more than two hours.
Rather than parliamentary tradition, Harper pointed to public opinion polls as the source of government's ongoing legitimacy in the face of a stated
absence of confidence in the House of Commons.
"This government was recently elected with a stronger mandate and, according to the polls that I've seen, the people of Canada believe that we should
be able to work to fulfil our mandate," he said.
The decision pulls the teetering minority Conservative government back from the brink, at least for the moment.
"We must realize the enormity of what has happened here today," said Liberal Leader Stephane Dion, standing in the foyer of the Commons.
"For the first time in the history of Canada, the prime minister of Canada is running away from the Parliament of Canada."
All opposition leaders insisted they still intend to bring down the government. Dion said only a "monumental change" by Harper would have any hope of
altering that.
NDP Leader Jack Layton said the coalition will not be abandoning its accord over the next seven weeks while the Commons sits in silence.
"I do not see that changing," Layton said.
"I cannot have confidence in a prime minister who would throw the locks on the door of this place, knowing that he's about to lose a vote in the House
of Commons. That's denying about as fundamental a right as one has in a democracy."
The Bloc's Gilles Duceppe had a similar reaction. "We don't believe him and we don't have confidence in him."
But buying time may well work in the prime minister's favour, with cracks in the unwieldy alternative governing alliance are already evident.
At least two Liberal MPs suggested it's time to step back and reconsider the coalition.
Dion said Harper is putting partisan politics ahead of the best interests of Canadians, and accused him of "paying lip service to co-operation and
consensus."
After the Oct. 14 election, Harper spoke of the need for all parties to work together for the common good.
But he then precipitated the crisis with the provocative economic update Nov. 27 that contained no stimulus package, killed public financing for
federal political parties, and banned public sector unions from striking for two years.
The opposition coalition had asked Jean to refuse to prorogue, arguing that Harper no longer enjoys the confidence of the House of Commons.
A petition signed by 161 MPs went to the Governor General on Thursday morning stating that "a majority of Members of Parliament . . . believe that a
viable alternative government can be formed."
The Conservatives hold just 143 of the 308 seats in the Commons.
The New York Times, moments after Thursday morning's announcement, reflected that sentiment: "Canadian leader shuts Parliament in bid to keep power,"
said the newspaper's online headline.
Prorogation ends a parliamentary session and allows the government to start again at a later date with a fresh throne speech. It typically happens
when a government has exhausted its legislative agenda, not before it's even begun.
But it also limits the government's spending powers at a time of economic crisis.
Harper denied his government will be launching a full-scale public relations campaign over the Christmas season to bolster support for his wobbling
minority.
"The government's work, my work, over the next few weeks will be focused almost exclusively on preparing the federal budget," he said.
"We're not going to have time to do much else. I hope the other parties will be concentrating on exactly the same thing."
Harper admitted no errors in judgment Thursday. Nor did he seek absolution during a nationally televised address on Wednesday.
And he once again condemned the participation of the Bloc Quebecois in supporting the formal Liberal-NDP coalition - despite the fact that he flirted
with the separatist Bloc in 2004 as the Liberal government of Paul Martin was tottering.
A formal Liberal-NDP entente, supported by the Bloc, was forwarded to the Governor General this week stating the case that it can win the confidence
of Canada's elected representatives and is prepared to govern if the Conservatives fall.
Liberal MP Derrick Lee, meanwhile, compared Harper's move to suspend Parliament to the burning of the Reichstag in Germany by the Nazis.
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I'm sorry to see we won't be rid of Harper, but what I find most aggravating about the whole debacle is that the outcome was determined by a decision
of "The Queen's representative"- the monarchy is offensive enough when it's just a meaningless figurehead- maybe you Yanks had the right idea back in
1776.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by moforn
I'm sorry to see we won't be rid of Harper, but what I find most aggravating about the whole debacle is that the outcome was determined by a decision
of "The Queen's representative"- the monarchy is offensive enough when it's just a meaningless figurehead- maybe you Yanks had the right idea back in
1776. |
^^^^^^^ MAYBE? YA THINK?
"The House of Commons has gone dark until Jan. 26, when Harper will return and present a federal budget the next day - followed by a confidence vote."
That quote is very has very similar words used in lodge. 
Each aspect of the soul has it's own part to play, but the ideal is harmonious agreement with reason and control.
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Dave
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all you can really do is shake your head, we just had an election what 7 weeks ago.......
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"I cannot have confidence in a prime minister who would throw the locks on the door of this place, knowing that he's about to lose a vote in the House
of Commons. That's denying about as fundamental a right as one has in a democracy."
This quote pisses me off.
First off, yes this whole accord is constitutional but people backing it and saying that it's democratic is absolute naysay. First off, the point of
having a party system is that it allows you to vote for a party that represents your political ideas. That really holds a voice of the people. NOW.
Three parties merging to topple a government is not the will of the people, it's a political coup, no matter how they want to deny it. It is legal
yes, but it's ethically wrong and IS NOT democractic. The majority vote in the FOUR big party election went to the Conservatives. Not matter if they
only got 37% of the entire vote. Split between 4 parties, that's a majority.
The whole election process represents a democratic process until the GG appoints the PM. But that's another story altogether. With the GG in mind,
going to the Head of State, asking to reshuffle parliament and make a coalition is the least democratic thing possible.
Honestly, I can't even begin to understand how ridiculous Dion is.
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DeathByForce
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AND i am personally offended by this:
Liberal MP Derrick Lee, meanwhile, compared Harper's move to suspend Parliament to the burning of the Reichstag in Germany by the Nazis.
\"rap isn\'t music\" - mozart
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I've been reading this book called the shock doctrine. Its about disaster capitalism, hardcore laissez faire explotation of struggling countries. The
chapter I just finished was about how Canadian corporations and some politicians were actually trying to create a pseudo-crisis a few years back by
trying to get Wall Street creditors to lower the countries credit score and making it seem like a debt crisis was immenent. All in order to pass
neoliberal free market laws; privatization, deregulation, cutting social spending. Apparently it didn't not succed on the intended scale. For the
brothers up north does that situation sound accurate to you? I wonder what the impact of this situation will be as it fits the formula for economic
"shock therapy" to take place.
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moforn
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DeathByForce
AND i am personally offended by this:
Liberal MP Derrick Lee, meanwhile, compared Harper's move to suspend Parliament to the burning of the Reichstag in Germany by the Nazis.
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Agreed
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upyerbum
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There are factions within our government that have been trying to push privatization, yes, but its a hard sell up here.
Well, its this place where nobody works, and the pigs don\'t give you any shit. Everyone smokes weed and gets drunk all day. Its a place where
cunts like me and you can truly take it easy and relax. Know what I mean?
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Discipline
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You have to love the fact that the Liberal Party is trying to spearhead this coup with a leader they have publicly denounced. They hate him but won't
resign as head of the party. Not only that, but they're teaming up with a separtist party that wants Quebec to be it's own country, and the NDP who
tried to buy the immigrant vote by making one of their election promises a pledge to make Punjabi the third official language of Canada. Yeah, I have
a lot of faith in this political "powerhouse."
‘Do you know what a love letter is? It’s a bullet from a fucking gun. Straight through your heart.’
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Six66Mike
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I'm all for it, coalition governments are highly popular around the world including Sweden, Israel, Australia and many other countries. When the
system fails, groups get together for the common cause and make a change. That's the system you live in.
Also it is a tad pathetic he suspends parliament until late January despite the current problems facing his government, hanging on by a thread it
should be dealt with now before the Christmas break not after.
A lot of people ask me what kind of music I like. I love "soul music". My "soul music" isn’t a style, genre or niche. It’s music that is genuine. It’s
a painful lyric, a dirty bassline, it’s a harrowing vocal, it’s feedback, it’s an anthem, it’s a love song, it’s anarchy. I’ve got my personal
favourites but in the end it doesn’t matter who or where it comes from... so long as it’s good and it's real.
- Paul Morris, music director at 97.7 HTZ-FM
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BKT
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Fuck this bullshit to hell. If this happened in the USA there would be a fucking civil war. I voted for Harper and that is who won and who should be
in power. Not some socialist bitch a french faggot and his separatist cunt ass fucking buddy.
Ya I am pissed off. Really fucking pissed off.
MM.
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Discipline
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^^^What he said.
‘Do you know what a love letter is? It’s a bullet from a fucking gun. Straight through your heart.’
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Voodoobillyman
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Nah nah nah boo boo, stick your canuckleheads in doo doo! and you knocked Bush
Remember when the conspiracy theorists were saying Bush was gonna restage a catastrophic attack (like 911) right around re-election time in order to
declare martial law and hold the presidential powers................um yeah. Even the most diehard live by the internet nutjobs didn't REALLY belive
that was going to happen. Whats your excuse?
I kid I kid, this is fucked up for real though
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Canada may be screwed but atleast you don't have to put up with this
Alternative fuel sources?
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Six66Mike
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I still see nothing wrong with it, the country has lost confidence with Harper and the fact he was scared enough to close Parliament to avoid the boot
is proof he knows he's doing a shit job.
Coalition governments are rather popular in the world, sometimes they don't last very long. I imagine there'll be another election in 2009, coalition
or not.
A lot of people ask me what kind of music I like. I love "soul music". My "soul music" isn’t a style, genre or niche. It’s music that is genuine. It’s
a painful lyric, a dirty bassline, it’s a harrowing vocal, it’s feedback, it’s an anthem, it’s a love song, it’s anarchy. I’ve got my personal
favourites but in the end it doesn’t matter who or where it comes from... so long as it’s good and it's real.
- Paul Morris, music director at 97.7 HTZ-FM
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upyerbum
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What's fucked up, is this is going to fuck up everything, we were doing good, the economy actually grew, only by 3% or something, but it still grew.
This coaltion will fuck that all up.
Well, its this place where nobody works, and the pigs don\'t give you any shit. Everyone smokes weed and gets drunk all day. Its a place where
cunts like me and you can truly take it easy and relax. Know what I mean?
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DeathByForce
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Six66Mike
I'm all for it, coalition governments are highly popular around the world including Sweden, Israel, Australia and many other countries. When the
system fails, groups get together for the common cause and make a change. That's the system you live in.
Also it is a tad pathetic he suspends parliament until late January despite the current problems facing his government, hanging on by a thread it
should be dealt with now before the Christmas break not after. |
You know the Coalitions 'round the world had the support of all parties, right?
Those examples are null.
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DeathByForce
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Six66Mike
I still see nothing wrong with it, the country has lost confidence with Harper and the fact he was scared enough to close Parliament to avoid the boot
is proof he knows he's doing a shit job.
Coalition governments are rather popular in the world, sometimes they don't last very long. I imagine there'll be another election in 2009, coalition
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Country hasn't lost confidence in Harper at all. Almost 60% would rather an election than a coalition. Only 38% would like the IDEA of a coalition.
You know what? The opposition didn't even give the chance for parliament to sit. It's RIDICULOUS. They've been planning this for awhile. It's
obvious. Backdoor deals and dirty tricks, yep sounds like the Liberals to me.
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DeathByForce
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| Quote: | Originally posted by upyerbum
What's fucked up, is this is going to fuck up everything, we were doing good, the economy actually grew, only by 3% or something, but it still grew.
This coaltion will fuck that all up. |
Yep, the coalition will do nothing but re-centralize power. Meaning they want to BAIL OUT the auto industry. Restructure provincial spending. ARE
YOU SERIOUS? The idea of the Liberals/NDP in power is ridiculous. Giving the BLOC the power of veto is dangerous as well. The west currently is the
largest economic pusher in Canada. Centralizing power will only bring the economic downfall of Canada.
\"rap isn\'t music\" - mozart
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Six66Mike
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The last election cost over $350m, not exactly what you need to be spending money on right now with failing global economies. Also taking a break to
January 26 also doesn't seem like much of a good leadership decision.
A lot of people ask me what kind of music I like. I love "soul music". My "soul music" isn’t a style, genre or niche. It’s music that is genuine. It’s
a painful lyric, a dirty bassline, it’s a harrowing vocal, it’s feedback, it’s an anthem, it’s a love song, it’s anarchy. I’ve got my personal
favourites but in the end it doesn’t matter who or where it comes from... so long as it’s good and it's real.
- Paul Morris, music director at 97.7 HTZ-FM
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DeathByForce
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Absolutely it is.
The opposition was simply unwilling to cooperate. The house had not even begun it's session. The Conservatives only dropped their economic update.
It was up for debate. But the opposition was ready for a coalition from the get go.
It's obvious where the line is drawn with the BLOC and NDP because they are still willing to go ahead. Dion, however, has gone on record and is
willing to work with Stephen Harper and the Conservatives on the budget, the day after the house opens.
No need for an election. The opposition should be the one's hung.
\"rap isn\'t music\" - mozart
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