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Jason the Magnificent
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Nolan has actually said two face is dead in interviews...how could he not be. The whole ending was based on Batman taking the fall for everything so
that Dent could save face and thereby keep some remnant of hope in Gotham. If he's alive and running around villaining again the entire point of Bats
doing that would be lost...
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No, not if they had locked him up in Arkham and basically faked his death.
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Jason the Magnificent
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oh boy
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I don't think they did nearly enough with ol' Harv. I don't care what Nolan says, if someone handed him a script that used Two-Face really well he'd
do it. I have no doubt. Besides, while he says in interviews that Harvey is dead the movie left it somewhat vague. Vague enough that he could
plausibly come back.
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Jason the Magnificent
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What exactly was vague about him laying there and them having a service in memorium. I'm not saying dude will NOT be in the next movie anything is
possible, but I hear this all the time. It really reminds me of all the crackpot Sopranos theories that used to fly around the web.
I have yet to hear one logical thing shown actually in the movie that would lead anyone to believe he is still alive. Hoping that he is in the next
movie doesn't count...I'm not trying to be a dick...but what hint is there that he lived. Someone tell me?
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There isn't, but we are talking about Batman here dude. Villians appearing to be dead and then showing up later on is a staple. You know how many
times Joker has "died" in the comics? Hell, his first appearance he fell down an apparently bottomless pit!
There's just as much reason to believe that Harvey died in TDK as there is to think they faked his death. Considering they faked Gordon's death in the
movie...
I'm not going to be pissed if they definitely don't use Two-Face in the next film, but they could and it would be awesome to continue to use him.
Harvey Dent is probably the most fascinating of the characters in Batman's Rogues Gallery. This is a guy who was a stand up take no prisoners DA, then
he gets horribly scarred and has a psychotic break that results in split personalities and a fascination with the chance of a flip of the coin and the
number 2. Honestly, A Lonely Place of Dying has the perfect means for re-introducing Harvey and they manage to keep it secret at least through the
first part of the story(one issue). It would also introduce a theme that Harvey didn't have in TDK using 2's and numbers derivative of 2 in his crimes
that flexes Batman's detective skills. That's one thing he's not done at all in BB or TDK.
No detective work, he's not just the Dark Knight... he's the Dark Knight Detective. He didn't figure out Ducard was Ra's al-Ghul until Ducard told him
so, beat him down and burned down his house. He didn't do anything but use a fancy cell phone spy tech to find the Joker. I'd like to see that side of
Batman done, and I'd like to see Two-Face dealt with in his split personality disorder incarnation... and do it in such a way that keeps the audience
unaware that it's Harvey Dent that's back. Obviously they're going to want to bring someone else into the story, but I think Harvey would work great.
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It'd be better than Jolie as Catwoman or whatever other nonsense they might try next at least...
Honestly the versions of Croc, Riddler or Penguin from that recent Joker graphic novel may be cool in the 'realistic' Batman world.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Jason the Magnificent
What exactly was vague about him laying there and them having a service in memorium. I'm not saying dude will NOT be in the next movie anything is
possible, but I hear this all the time. It really reminds me of all the crackpot Sopranos theories that used to fly around the web.
I have yet to hear one logical thing shown actually in the movie that would lead anyone to believe he is still alive. Hoping that he is in the next
movie doesn't count...I'm not trying to be a dick...but what hint is there that he lived. Someone tell me? |
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Two things:
1- We're talking about a movie where Batman drops one of his enemies 2 or 3 stories just to hurt him so he'll talk. It shows that it's not a lethal
fall depending on how you land. That fall at the end off the movie isn't terribly far. It looks like 3, maybe 4 stories. Batman survived it, and his
"gear" couldn't do THAT much in regard to a fall (based on the fact his shit is more or less based on real military shit or at least shit they
described in the 2 films). He "looks" dead. It wasn't high enough where he'd be squished.
2- We're talking about a movie where one of the main guys on the police dept fakes his own death to confuse the public and the villains. It appears
very few people know about it. How hard would it be to take Harv, whom no one knows where he is anyway, and toss him in the looney bin after that and
to have a public service for him??
He was unconscious after the fall. They took him to the looney bin, said he was dead, and presto! he's dead! Big service and memorial. Real dude rots
away.
What about the ending isn't vague and what about what I wrote is "crackpot?"
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Dave- Him using his "high tech detective gear" to figure out the address of the Joker, on the day of the commissioner's funeral is his detective
skills.
But, I'd LOVE to see a Penguin or even a Riddler as we've discussed, with some sort of underlying 2 Face presence.
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Jason the Magnificent
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Dent lives.
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Did you check out the Batman Gotham Knight animated feature? That's supposed to be between BB and TDK. Croc's already there.
http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Killer_Croc_(Batman:_Gotham_Knight)
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Jason the Magnificent
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Yeah he looked like some big gelatinous schmoo type thing with fangs in it.
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NO they can't put jolie as catwoman.....ever.
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