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I'm sure we'll see Sharpton camped out in from the White House sooner than later.
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Like it or not, reparations should be awarded. That was part of the deal, and it was never followed through on.
Also, something should be done to rectify the situation of violating treaties with Native Americans. Give the Souix North and South Dakota and half of
Wyoming in accordance with the Treaty of Ft Laramie, I say.
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oh boy, you're gonna get it now, dave!
(btw, what deal were reparations part of?)
If I fail math, there goes my chance at a good job and a happy life full of hard work.
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40 acres and a mule BD! Part of the emancipation.
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I don't think the taxpayers of today should be forced to pay for the injustices of the past.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Discipline
I don't think the taxpayers of today should be forced to pay for the injustices of the past. |
I agree with that. But, if someone really wants the Dakota's and Wyoming, I'd say go ahead and take it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Discipline
I don't think the taxpayers of today should be forced to pay for the injustices of the past. |
Aren't you Canadian? How about we give them Saskatchewan and you guys don't complain? 
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We're keeping Saskatchewan, but they can have Nunavut.
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Deal!!!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaveMoral
Like it or not, reparations should be awarded. That was part of the deal, and it was never followed through on.
Also, something should be done to rectify the situation of violating treaties with Native Americans. Give the Souix North and South Dakota and half of
Wyoming in accordance with the Treaty of Ft Laramie, I say. |
Yer outta yer mind bro. I would not pay a fuckin cent for something I had nothing to do with. I DON"T GIVE A FUCK
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Whatever dude. As a society we've benefitted from the enslavement of black people... and in terms of proportionality... they've not reaped the benefit
that white society has.
Justice is blind. Reparations would be justice.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaveMoral
Whatever dude. As a society we've benefitted from the enslavement of black people... and in terms of proportionality... they've not reaped the benefit
that white society has.
Justice is blind. Reparations would be justice. |
It's not really justice when asking descendants of "criminals" to give something up for the descendants of the victims.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MarkV
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaveMoral
Whatever dude. As a society we've benefitted from the enslavement of black people... and in terms of proportionality... they've not reaped the benefit
that white society has.
Justice is blind. Reparations would be justice. |
It's not really justice when asking descendants of "criminals" to give something up for the descendants of the victims. |
My point exactly. I am not paying for someone elses mistakes. bottom line. If you feel so strongly about it, call your congressman then head out to
the street and start with your own paycheck......what ?can't afford it? Neither can I.
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It's the society that benefitted from the situation. Society bears a certain responsibility. Particularly when the government promised compensation
and never delivered. Same deal with the breaking of treaties with the Indian tribes. It's unjust that the descendents of the usurpers of lands that
were supposed to be part of reservations by legally binding treaty continue to benefit from possession of those lands while the tribes currently
living on the small fraction of the agreed upon reservation lands are harmed by the situation.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaveMoral
It's the society that benefitted from the situation. Society bears a certain responsibility. Particularly when the government promised compensation
and never delivered. Same deal with the breaking of treaties with the Indian tribes. It's unjust that the descendents of the usurpers of lands that
were supposed to be part of reservations by legally binding treaty continue to benefit from possession of those lands while the tribes currently
living on the small fraction of the agreed upon reservation lands are harmed by the situation. |
Business is business and that is what all that was. Lots of unjust things go on in the business world and people lose their lively hood and it is not
fair. None the less people move on pick up the pieces and star over. Things were ruthless back then and times have indeed changed. There are enough
problems facing the world today that we need not drag up old injustices from the past. I make no apology what so ever for what my ancestors might have
done, it was not me that did it and it was not you that it was done to. Get over it, move on and focus on the future.
MM.
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People seriously need to stop focusing on "what is owed them" based on something that happend before they were even thought of and focus on making
things better for the next generation. My dad imparted some of the wisest and most simple words to me " A mans purpose in life is to make things
better for those who depend on him, than they were for him growing up." If people are looking for hand outs, keep the fuck away from me. I don't
apologize for that and like MM said, i don't apologize for something I had nothing to do with and really don't feel I benefited from. I grew up lower
middle class in New England, poor and cold.
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Dave- I see what you're saying, and agree to some extent, but I agree with MM and Voodoo. While we as a society have benefitted, it ain't my beef.
Pretty much all of us have had ancestors who've been screwed. (Italians, Jews, Irish, Asians, Hispanic, etc).
Too many people make excuses for why shit is the way it is, and not enough people do anything about it.
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Well, I personally don't see the point of monetary reparations to individuals. But our government and society would be best served by focusing
attention on downtrodden communities and working to uplift them in cooperation with local groups. It's damn foolish to leave shit the way it is and
consider ourselves and just society. Black and latino communities are afflicted with shit schools and don't get any funding. Education should be the
first fucking thing on our minds there. Giving people the tools to help themselves is crucial. The only time white people are interested in improving
living conditions in neighborhoods of broke people is when we are interested in taking the shit over and pushing people out. N Portland is a perfect
example. Same with the Lower East Side in NYC, buncha trendy fucks come in and build it up and leave the poor people up shit creek without a paddle.
Also, "business is business" is a bullshit mentality and fuck alla that. Labor unions came into existence because folks were pissed over the shit
working conditions they had and alot of shit we take for granted NOW came into being because of labor unions. 40 hour work weeks is one of those many
things we take for granted. Same with child labor and exploitative work conditions. "Business is business" is what allows people to be abused, and we
can't turn a blind eye to that. Shit, most of what you guys are saying about slavery and reparations for it has alot to do with the white American
tendancy to just turn a blind eye to that and forget about it, like what we have today isn't connected with all that shit. Americans have a profound
disconnection with their history and how it effects their present and their future.
Shit, the government hasn't even issued a formal apology for allowing that institution to thrive for so long. Not even an apology. That's pretty
fucked up. And now it's like "hey, we got a black president... everything is okay." Meanwhile, a young black kid gets hog-tied by a transit cop in
Oakland and shot in the back. Everything ain't okay.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaveMoral
Well, I personally don't see the point of monetary reparations to individuals. But our government and society would be best served by focusing
attention on downtrodden communities and working to uplift them in cooperation with local groups. It's damn foolish to leave shit the way it is and
consider ourselves and just society. Black and latino communities are afflicted with shit schools and don't get any funding. Education should be the
first fucking thing on our minds there. Giving people the tools to help themselves is crucial. . |
I agree with you 100% on this and have no problem with my tax dollars going to education programs. But like I said before, I grew up white and poor
along with alot of other white poor kids and we all had a shitty school. Waaaaaaaaaaah I got on with life and it didn't involve my past being used as
a crutch or excuse to sling crack or commit crimes to try and "get by" That shit has got to go just as much as what you said about rich whity's
mentality to it all. No story is one sided in fault and faulter.
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There is not one person on this earth whose ancestors did not commit some sort of atrocity or injustice against someone. We won, they lost. Tough
shit. I'm sick of hearing about it. You won't find any white guilt over here.
Well, its this place where nobody works, and the pigs don\'t give you any shit. Everyone smokes weed and gets drunk all day. Its a place where
cunts like me and you can truly take it easy and relax. Know what I mean?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by upyerbum
There is not one person on this earth whose ancestors did not commit some sort of atrocity or injustice against someone. We won, they lost. Tough
shit. I'm sick of hearing about it. You won't find any white guilt over here. |
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I find that mentality reprehensible. It's also a mentality that allows shit like that to continue in this world.
I'll have none of it.
Also, don't misconstrue my sentiments as giving people an excuse to just give up on themselves or look for a free ride. Not at all what I'm saying.
I'm not saying "hey man, your school sucks and you've been given a raw deal... just give it up and demand a hand-out." Nor am I making excuses for
people's criminal or morally debased behavior when I say that these conditions we've handed down from slavery onto Jim Crow and into the institutional
racism we see even today have created the environment into which people lose their moral compass. That's the legacy, doesn't mean I think folks have
an excuse. Shit, that would mean I could make all sortsa excuses for myself to start doing shit that I know is wrong or believe is wrong.
I'm just saying, we gotta own up to our end of the deal if we are going to expect folks to own up to their's. It's the most eloquent, intelligent,
accomplished, and usually righteous people in the black community that even talk about issues of institutional racism and the need for reparations in
some form, and most of them would also point out the folly in reparations in the form of monetary hand-outs. The likely results of which we see
bluntly satirized on the Dave Chappelle Show.
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