Originally posted by REV.PAULIE
HONUS-as much as i can't stand a great deal of what you really like (for my own reasons that i would never hold,nor impose,against you),YOU FUCKING
RULE!
The Count Five
The Seeds
Stooges
MC5
The Sonics
Velvet Underground
New York Dolls
You could even go back as far as Link Wray and Dick Dale for punk roots, or maybe even some of the more obscure, raw, rockabilly bands of the 50s to
find punk attitude and energy. Hell, even Johnny Cash had an influence on a lot of bands.
Originally posted by Blackout Colin
I don't think this can be correctly answered
I'd agree. If you're talking about punk attitude and feel, I'd say Woody Guthrie qualifies. If you're talking about going against the grain and
creating something new, Bill Monroe. If you're talking stripped down rock and roll, hard to go wrong with Gene Vincent, Carl Perkins or Eddie Cochran.
Then the Sonics took a real punk approach to their music. Most of the '76 bands probably listened to New York Dolls, Stooges, MC5, etc but probably
50s rock and roll and rockabilly just as much. Or do you define punk by politics? Clash or DK would be among the earliest. See what I mean?
It really just depends on how you personally define the word "punk". Who was the first "hardcore punk (yes they are not two separate things...that's
nonsense.)" band? That at least gets a little easier to narrow down.
The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, ?You know, I want to set those people over there on
fire, but I?m just not close enough to get the job done.? George Carlin
Originally posted by Blackout Colin
I don't think this can be correctly answered
I'd agree. If you're talking about punk attitude and feel, I'd say Woody Guthrie qualifies. If you're talking about going against the grain and
creating something new, Bill Monroe. If you're talking stripped down rock and roll, hard to go wrong with Gene Vincent, Carl Perkins or Eddie Cochran.
Then the Sonics took a real punk approach to their music. Most of the '76 bands probably listened to New York Dolls, Stooges, MC5, etc but probably
50s rock and roll and rockabilly just as much. Or do you define punk by politics? Clash or DK would be among the earliest. See what I mean?
It really just depends on how you personally define the word "punk". Who was the first "hardcore punk (yes they are not two separate things...that's
nonsense.)" band? That at least gets a little easier to narrow down.
Bob Dylan and all the 60's hippes beat Dead Kennedys & The Clash to the politics. The folk music and protest songs. Too bad those type of musicians
aren't around now, Ramallah & Propagandhi is about as good as we get but we need some real populist artists to jump on the "wtf is going on around
here" stuff.
A lot of people ask me what kind of music I like. I love "soul music". My "soul music" isn’t a style, genre or niche. It’s music that is genuine. It’s
a painful lyric, a dirty bassline, it’s a harrowing vocal, it’s feedback, it’s an anthem, it’s a love song, it’s anarchy. I’ve got my personal
favourites but in the end it doesn’t matter who or where it comes from... so long as it’s good and it's real.
- Paul Morris, music director at 97.7 HTZ-FM
Yeah, and Woody Guthrie beat the hippies to the politics, and there were protest songs before him, and something else before that I'm sure. Once again
that's my point, punk attitude/music/ideas weren't created in a vaccum.
The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, ?You know, I want to set those people over there on
fire, but I?m just not close enough to get the job done.? George Carlin
They were the first band to claim a subculture...Yes,they "expanded",or "grew",later...But,they were the mugs that not only LIVED it,but CLAIMED
IT...MOD.
It's about subculture...and,that includes FASHION and ATTITUDE.
AND TELLING THE REST TO GO FUCK THEMSELVES...
Yeah,it IS a young man's game...As well it SHOULD BE.
But,these "changing times" .whereas are necessary - Only destroy the innocence and glory of THE SEARCH...
The search for other's that feel like you do.
The search for records that when you crank 'em up REALLY FUCKING LOUD,make you feel like you can conquer the World.
The search for a time.space,and feeling that's not "exclusive".but FAR FROM inviting.
UNLESS,YOU GOT THE BALLS,YOU FUCKIN' FUCKWAD!!!
That's my Two -cent's worth...
Will learn to Tap Dance,eventually...Will have you broads Hula,definitely...Trust me,you'll see.
the monks are awesome
I had never really heard them until I watched a documentary on them and their reunion...
started a lot of punk, metal and noise stuff
Living a life kept shut by a dream,
I'm reaching out to grasp my reality.
Hands of time wrap tight around my neck, and hit me so hard,
leaving me eyes black.
staring at a ceiling,
wondering why i never left,
penning words in a notebook,
wondering why haven't slept.
sanity is tapping in a cell
inside my fucking head.
begging for redemption
after hearing what was said.
the nights, they will not sleep
cause the days, have played for keeps.
Originally posted by Spoiler
Hasil Adkins is my choice.
Listen to the lyrics to this song. He was singing about putting peoples heads on his wall long before the Misfits.
fuck yeah, the original one man band! I got a bunch of Hasil albums
To me, music has had a similar evolution to man or any animal. If we could go back in time and watch human evolution occur, I don't think there would
be one being where you could stop and say that's the first human being and his parents were some other species. It's far too gradual a change to work
that way. Same thing for genres of music, none of this was created in a vacuum and as has been argued here already, there's way too many influences
out there that if looked at in the right light could be considered to be the key figure. Sure, it's easy to look back with the definition we now have
for "Punk" and apply it to all kinds of bands who may or may not have objected to being defined that way when they were making that music, but it
doesn't really make it all that valid. I personally have argued so many different bands and artists for this debate in the past, but at this point it
makes no sense to me. It's all basically a subgenre of Rock 'N Roll which evolved out of other music like Country, Blues, and R&B which all came from
something else and there are plenty of bands that were classified as one thing when they were active that might be considered something else by
today's standards.
Whatever the first band was to have the term "punk" to applied to them was the first punk band. If you're talking about some sort of devil-may-care
attitude that some musicians had prior to the punk thing then you can start with Robert Johnson and misappropriate the term to about 500 bands between
his time and the Sex Pistols. But none of those bands were punk bands until there was punk music.
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